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Tenlaar
02/12/22 4:08:57 PM
#102:


COVxy posted...
You've lost the thread of your own argument. The answer is no, but that is inconsequential to the point you were trying to make lol.
The point I was making from the beginning is that the tweet in the OP is talking about the pay of an associate professor, not a professor, and using the correct position is necessary for any discussion about that.
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Tenlaar
02/12/22 4:09:41 PM
#103:


Derwood posted...
No, but who cares? The duties are the same (unlike a sous chef and chef or assistant manager and manager)
This thread was literally made about a comment on the pay of the guys position.
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COVxy
02/12/22 4:12:55 PM
#104:


Tenlaar posted...
The point I was making from the beginning is that the tweet in the OP is talking about the pay of an associate professor, not a professor, and using the correct position is necessary for any discussion about that.

That only makes any sense if they were actually different positions, but they are not. They are literally the same position.

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 4:26:21 PM
#105:


OK FINE ILL JUST SAY IT

an associate professor should be paid more than a panda express general( since we're going full titles) manager

happy now

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Solid Snake07
02/12/22 4:35:20 PM
#106:


If it makes any of you feel better, I do agree that the truly great educators are criminally underpaid and its a great shame that the academic establishment has essentially pigeonholed them into a system where they cant adequately profit off of what, I think, should be a very highly marketable skill.

what a lot of you will undoubtedly will not like is that the vast majority of educators do not fit the description I just laid out

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 4:42:08 PM
#107:


Solid Snake07 posted...
If it makes any of you feel better, I do agree that the truly great educators are criminally underpaid and its a great shame that the academic establishment has essentially pigeonholed them into a system where they cant adequately profit off of what, I think, should be a very highly marketable skill.

what a lot of you will undoubtedly will not like is that the vast majority of educators do not fit the description I just laid out
I actually also take back what i said

assuming that the "educated" and educators """deserve""" a better life than the common man is actually pretty shitty. normal people deserve a way to climb as well

idk what they guy teaches (my little sister went to that school) but his contributions to society aren't as high as he likely believes... uni should be cheaper for the students... being a professor is a career choice, you don't make that much money but you have a LOT of freedom

e.g. i made more than my Professor advisor after 1 year out of grad school

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COVxy
02/12/22 4:50:56 PM
#108:


Same rationale exists for increasing pay for professors as exists for the salary of MDs.

People take on exorbitant loss of prospective income due to length of training. 10+ years of training on salaries ranging from 20-50k.

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 5:00:07 PM
#109:


no MDs have a high salary because they make a very tangible contribution to the health of society.. they keep you alive when you are dieing, everyone dies eventually.

professors have a really fucking cushy job.. and their main contribution is to publish papers.. let's be real.... im sure you have a few papers, how many actually (be honest) moved the needle for society?

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 5:01:01 PM
#110:


also there's simple supply and demand... tens of thousands of post docs trying to break into tenure track, not many positions...

we always need more doctors

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 5:03:33 PM
#111:


people become professors because they LOVE the narrow subject they know. it's a passion, not many passions also provide freedom and upper middle class trajectory.

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Derwood
02/12/22 5:05:31 PM
#112:


Yes, we definitely need to be paid more
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COVxy
02/12/22 5:06:47 PM
#113:


I mean I mentioned it because it's explicitly used as a justification for MD salary all the time.

Some of the most well paid MDs arguably contribute far less than you are suggesting. There's a reason people want to go into dermatology lol

Regarding value of basic research, this is a much harder topic that requires a lot of discussion. But like, just taking it out to a salient point, the basic science behind mRNA vaccines was obviously generated by professors.

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Gwynevere
02/12/22 5:08:12 PM
#114:


IllegalAlien posted...
professors have a really fucking cushy job
That varies vastly from case to case. You can't really make a blanket statement like that

I've had and talked to professors that really do seem to coast by with little expected of them, and others have insane workloads with very little thrown their way to help them

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Derwood
02/12/22 5:08:44 PM
#115:


Its not a cushy job. Its a ton of work
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divot1338
02/12/22 5:19:51 PM
#116:


Gwynevere posted...
That varies vastly from case to case. You can't really make a blanket statement like that

I've had and talked to professors that really do seem to coast by with little expected of them, and others have insane workloads with very little thrown their way to help them
I worked among academics for years. Professers have a cake job. Their teaching assistants, etc work hard.

In fact the only place Ive ever seen a professor devote remotely any effort is in their research.

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 5:26:12 PM
#117:


IllegalAlien posted...
no MDs have a high salary because they make a very tangible contribution to the health of society.. they keep you alive when you are dieing, everyone dies eventually.

professors have a really fucking cushy job.. and their main contribution is to publish papers.. let's be real.... im sure you have a few papers, how many actually (be honest) moved the needle for society?
This post is fucking hil.ar.i.ous.

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/12/22 5:28:06 PM
#118:


Be useful, get paid

You ain't special because you chose to read for a while

Get out of here

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 5:33:36 PM
#119:


Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Be useful, get paid

You ain't special because you chose to read for a while

Get of here
pretty much this

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Derwood
02/12/22 5:34:03 PM
#120:


divot1338 posted...
I worked among academics for years. Professers have a cake job. Their teaching assistants, etc work hard.

In fact the only place Ive ever seen a professor devote remotely any effort is in their research.

Lololololllll

No
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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 5:35:34 PM
#121:


academics who have only ever lived on a campus: my work is super hard!!!!

people with some perspective: is it tho?

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 5:36:42 PM
#122:


and again,,, we're talking about a middle-upper middle class profession,,, if you wanted to make money don't be a professor, take your phd and go to industry. if you want to be a professor, understand that you won't make industry money but your life will be much cushier

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Derwood
02/12/22 5:40:56 PM
#123:


IllegalAlien posted...
academics who have only ever lived on a campus: my work is super hard!!!!

people with some perspective: is it tho?

People who have never been a professor: teaching is super easy and cushy!

Actual professors: is it tho?
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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 5:46:21 PM
#124:


dawww, sorry if u feel like u should be paid more, the world isn't fair -- go be a general manger at Panda Express if you want to make more money, im sure its super easy for someone so smart

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Derwood
02/12/22 5:47:05 PM
#125:


IllegalAlien posted...
dawww, sorry if u feel like u should be paid more, the world isn't fair -- go be a general manger at Panda Express if you want to make more money, im sure its super easy for someone so smart

Fast food worker-like typing detected
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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 5:47:44 PM
#126:


i make 160k but ok

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 5:48:01 PM
#127:


being elitist is surely a good look and makes people want to pay u more

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/12/22 5:49:24 PM
#128:


Derwood posted...
Fast food worker-like typing detected

Look at this guy, he needs to get paid more cause his sentence structure is better

Fuck your sentence structure, make bread fool

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Derwood
02/12/22 5:52:45 PM
#129:


Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Look at this guy, he needs to get paid more cause his sentence structure is better

Fuck your sentence structure, make bread fool

Whoosh
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Unsugarized_Foo
02/12/22 5:53:02 PM
#130:


Derwood posted...
Whoosh
Whoosh this cheddar

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Tenlaar
02/12/22 5:53:22 PM
#131:


COVxy posted...
That only makes any sense if they were actually different positions, but they are not. They are literally the same position.
No, they literally are not the same position. You can tell this because they have different titles and pay.
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Derwood
02/12/22 5:54:06 PM
#132:


Tenlaar posted...
No, they literally are not the same position. You can tell this because they have different titles and pay.

So explain the different job duties between them
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COVxy
02/12/22 5:55:21 PM
#133:


Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Be useful, get paid

You ain't special because you chose to read for a while

Get out of here

Feel like you don't understand that almost all of the science done by society is done by professors and people training to be professors.

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/12/22 5:56:57 PM
#134:


COVxy posted...
Feel like you don't understand that almost all of the science done by society is done by professors and people training to be professors.

Then they should research why they're poor

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 6:03:01 PM
#135:


US should be mercenary like China... you publish in Nature or NeurIPS you get $10k straight up

you publish in the Region Journal of Poop Scoopers, well not doing anything meaningful are you

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COVxy
02/12/22 6:05:28 PM
#136:


China's system has led to large scale research fraud lol.

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Derwood
02/12/22 6:05:59 PM
#137:


FYI, not all professors do research or publish.
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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 6:10:08 PM
#138:


Derwood posted...
FYI, not all professors do research or publish.
I thought we were mainly talking about research institutions... do liberal arts schools even really apply here? then you're literally just a teacher and we all know how teachers are treated in capitalistic america

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 6:11:09 PM
#139:


should a teacher be paid more, fuck yea, will they? probably fucking not, because an educated populace likes to imagine how the world could be :)

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Derwood
02/12/22 6:18:12 PM
#140:


IllegalAlien posted...
I thought we were mainly talking about research institutions... do liberal arts schools even really apply here? then you're literally just a teacher and we all know how teachers are treated in capitalistic america

If we were, I missed it.

And yes, professors are shit on with pay. Most elementary school teachers make more money than me
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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 6:24:04 PM
#141:


IllegalAlien posted...
i make 160k but ok
Lmfao

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IllegalAlien
02/12/22 6:29:09 PM
#142:


IndorilGawain posted...
Lmfao
idk man ive been here for like 16 yrs and ur on an alt shitposting bc you've been banned again

there are plenty of people on CE making similar or more than i am btw

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 6:41:38 PM
#143:


IllegalAlien posted...
idk man ive been here for like 16 yrs and ur on an alt shitposting bc you've been banned again

there are plenty of people on CE making similar or more than i am btw
I started the same year you did. Wow so amaze.

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MacadamianNut3
02/12/22 6:45:00 PM
#145:


Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Then they should research why they're poor
Pity post to acknowledge this laughably bad attempt at a zinger since nobody else will

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/12/22 6:52:46 PM
#146:


Thank you

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thronedfire2
02/12/22 7:04:36 PM
#147:


IllegalAlien posted...
OK FINE ILL JUST SAY IT

an associate professor should be paid more than a panda express general( since we're going full titles) manager

happy now

why should they, though?

a professor just has to worry about the course and their students(minimally, at least)

a restaurant manager has to handling hiring, discipline, ordering, budgets, scheduling, dealing with customers, training employees, making sure everything is up to health codes, etc. and they actually make money for the franchise owner.

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 7:15:07 PM
#148:


thronedfire2 posted...


a professor just has to worry about the course and their students(minimally, at least)
Jesus christ I am *begging* you people to stop talking about things you clearly know absolutely nothing whatsoever about.

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Derwood
02/12/22 7:16:05 PM
#149:


IndorilGawain posted...
Jesus christ I am *begging* you people to stop talking about things you clearly know absolutely nothing whatsoever about.

It's as hilarious as it is cringey

Do people really think that we roll in, teach for an hour, then go home? Do they think that's all we do?
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greyfox747
02/12/22 7:17:04 PM
#150:


all professors do is read off of powerpoints, right?

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 7:17:58 PM
#151:


Derwood posted...
It's as hilarious as it is cringey

Do people really think that we roll in, teach for an hour, then go home? Do they think that's all we do?
It's a pretty common misconception unfortunately. Someone on twitter even recently posted a clip of someone on the subreddit for college students who thought that professor salaries were "basically just extra income because they make lots of money publishing already" lmaoooo

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