Current Events > Messed Up Society; College pays professor less than Panda Express Manager

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greyfox747 posted...

all professors do is read off of powerpoints, right?

Well they have to write the powerpoint slide the first semester but yeah pmuch.

divot1338 posted...

Well they have to write the powerpoint slide the first semester but yeah pmuch.

Holy shit

Derwood posted...

Holy shit

I mean, is it really that hard to go onto wikipedia, pick out a couple of facts, and throw them into a powerpoint?

Being a professor sounds easy!

greyfox747 posted...

I mean, is it really that hard to go onto wikipedia, pick out a couple of facts, and throw them into a powerpoint?

Being a professor sounds easy!

That's why there are no job requirements to get hired.

Oh wait....

IndorilGawain posted...

It's a pretty common misconception unfortunately.

I think the issue is that the vast majority of students don't engage in any academic activity in college besides going to class. So they kinda assume that's all there is.

Those who cant do [research] teach.

COVxy posted...

I think the issue is that the vast majority of students don't engage in any academic activity in college besides going to class. So they kinda assume that's all there is.

Yep. The vast majority of students are dullards. No intellectual curiosity, want to do the least amount of work possible, and cry when their degree doesn't give them a six-figure job right away.

We live in a society!

All you gotta do to be a professor is fire up the PowerPoint

Derwood posted...

That's why there are no job requirements to get hired.

Oh wait....

pfff, that's just elitism. There's nothing actually stopping me from being a professor except for liberal smarminess.

greyfox747 posted...

pfff, that's just elitism. There's nothing actually stopping me from being a professor except for liberal smarminess.

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this is the topic that keeps on giving

IllegalAlien posted...

this is the topic that keeps on giving

to be fair, a lot of my professors in college were quite unattractive

thronedfire2 posted...

why should they, though?

a professor just has to worry about the course and their students(minimally, at least)

a restaurant manager has to handling hiring, discipline, ordering, budgets, scheduling, dealing with customers, training employees, making sure everything is up to health codes, etc. and they actually make money for the franchise owner.

I literally flipped my opinion in the next post to the ire of CE intellectual elite

thronedfire2 posted...

a professor just has to worry about the course and their students(minimally, at least)

lol

That's a lecturer. A professor has to worry about material for their course(s), students in their course(s), advise their grad students doing all kinds of different projects, deal with undergrad interns, seek funding on a consistent basis so they're writing a lot of proposals, write their own research papers, help organize and/or attend conferences to keep up with their research area and remain active in the community, (if the school/department gives a shit about the surrounding community) help organize outreach events, spend a nontrivial amount of time reading and giving feedback on dissertations if they are on their student's committee or are asked to be on another student's committee, navigate through department politics all in the quest to earn tenure, and I'm sure I'm leaving things out for certain areas since my experience is only in the computer science and engineering departments.

I wanted to be a professor when I started grad school and that tune quickly changed when I saw all the shit that my advisor had to deal with and how long she stayed in the office daily. So I went the research lab route instead.

Gonna revisit the previously asked question about how hard is it to shut the hell up when you don't know what you're talking about. I don't run my mouth over politics because I largely don't give a shit and not giving that much of a shit leaves me uninformed for a lot of complex political things. But it's never been a struggle to keep da trap shut and read.

MacadamianNut3 posted...

lol

That's a lecturer. A professor has to worry about material for their course(s), students in their course(s), advise their grad students doing all kinds of different projects, deal with undergrad interns, seek funding on a consistent basis so they're writing a lot of proposals, write their own research papers, help organize and/or attend conferences to keep up with their research area and remain active in the community, (if the school/department gives a shit about the surrounding community) help organize outreach events, spend a nontrivial amount of time reading and giving feedback on dissertations if they are on their student's committee or are asked to be on another student's committee, navigate through department politics all in the quest to earn tenure, and I'm sure I'm leaving things out for certain areas since my experience is only in the computer science and engineering departments.

I wanted to be a professor when I started grad school and that tune quickly changed when I saw all the shit that my advisor had to deal with and how long she stayed in the office daily. So I went the research lab route instead.

Gonna revisit the previously asked question about how hard is it to shut the hell up when you don't know what you're talking about. I don't run my mouth over politics because I largely don't give a shit and not giving that much of a shit leaves me uninformed for a lot of complex political things. But it's never been a struggle to keep da trap shut and read.

You forgot to mention advising, recruiting, committee appointments, curriculum revision, university service, mentoring, independent studies....

you all are seriously acting like other professions just durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr for 8 hrs it's pretty funny

btw i was a phd candidate at a top cs school.. one of my co authors is an ACM fellow

my thesis comitte was literally,

1. ACM fellow
2. Associate Dean (+ more crazy shit now)
3. Graduate Program Director

Idk how it is in cs, but in neuroscience it's pretty rare to see professors that aren't pulling 60+ hour work weeks. This isn't really the expectation in a lot of industry (though it can be, my brother has always worked the same overworked schedule since switching to industry).

So there's: exceedingly long training period, very little chance of securing a job, overwork, and then poor compensation.

IllegalAlien posted...

you all are seriously acting like other professions just durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr for 8 hrs it's pretty funny

No one is doing that

COVxy posted...

Idk how it is in cs, but in neuroscience it's pretty rare to see professors that aren't pulling 60+ hour work weeks. This isn't really the expectation in a lot of industry (though it can be, my brother has always worked the same overworked schedule since switching to industry).

So there's: exceedingly long training period, very little chance of securing a job, overwork, and then poor compensation.

tbf all the professors I interacted with in my research group were extremely OG and tenured.. I'm not saying it's an easy path... but traditionally it has been one of the only paths where you can be paid a good wage to be an academic (now you can go into tech and make big money)

IllegalAlien posted...

where you can be paid a good wage to be an academic

This also depends on institute and region, and sometimes field.

there's something really satisfying about lecturing too. if you don't like lecturing and teaching you're obviously in the wrong game. but if you do, it's really fufilling work as well

It also takes a lot longer to get to that point of making good money as an academic vs going into industry.

The professor could always quit and go work at Panda Express.

IndorilGawain posted...

It also takes a lot longer to get to that point of making good money as an academic vs going into industry.

true but I geuss my point is, being an academic is somewhat like being an artist who is supported by a royal house (your uni lol)

it's a passion and a way of life (with a lot of freedom!), few passions also make bank

IllegalAlien posted...

true but I geuss my point is, being an academic is somewhat like being an artist who is supported by a royal house (your uni lol)

it's a passion and a way of life (with a lot of freedom!), few passions also make bank

This is also a bit different in experimental sciences vs cs. You absolutely don't have much freedom because experiments are expensive. Requires funding, and that means all the issues attached to getting funding.

COVxy posted...

This is also a bit different in experimental sciences vs cs. You absolutely don't have much freedom because experiments are expensive. Requires funding, and that means all the issues attached to getting funding.

fair point, tbh not really sure what we're even talking about anymore

IllegalAlien posted...

fair point, tbh not really sure what we're even talking about anymore

Recap:

• Article posted about Panda Express managers making more than professors
• A bunch of nobodies decide they know more about professors than professors
• Another bunch of nobodies cry about their shit college experience
• PROFIT

oh right, we're crying because we're poor, got it

btw median household income in Denver (medium-high cost of living) is roughly 70k... so you aint do so bad after all :)

College is so exciting

Derwood posted...

You forgot to mention advising, recruiting, committee appointments, curriculum revision, university service, mentoring, independent studies....

>_>

I literally mentioned four of the things you just listed

MacadamianNut3 posted...

>_>

I literally mentioned four of the things you just listed

Your focus was mainly on grad students, I was broadening the scope (as there is no grad program in my department).