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iwasapoetonce
03/10/22 11:52:39 AM
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I have a friend whose parents are on the older side and from a country that's mostly homogenous. For the longest time they had something against people of color. However, after the events of 2020, they had a change of heart and wanted to be open minded.

Do you know someone who is an ex-racist or perhaps may still have racist tendencies but have changed for the better?

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eston
03/10/22 11:55:26 AM
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Tbqh I don't even think ex-racist is a thing. Racism isn't some kind of switch you can turn on or off. Someone can of course become more tolerant through life experiences, but "ex-racist" implies some sort of weird status thing and I don't think that's how it works

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iwasapoetonce
03/10/22 11:56:34 AM
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eston posted...
Tbqh I don't even think ex-racist is a thing. Racism isn't some kind of switch you can turn on or off. Someone can of course become more tolerant through life experiences, but "ex-racist" implies some sort of weird status thing and I don't think that's how it works

Fair. I get what you're saying, and I was wrong in the wording. Perhaps more like "people who know racists who eventually became more tolerant"

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1234Life
03/10/22 11:57:02 AM
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Electroconvulsive therapy
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g0ldie
03/10/22 12:00:33 PM
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there's a dude who used to post here (and he still might) that said he used to be racist, and run with neo-nazis.

anyway, he said that he met his wife (a black woman), and getting to know her made him actually think about his beliefs and eventually become critical of them.

I forget his username, though.

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CyricZ
03/10/22 12:02:46 PM
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No one can make someone become not racist apart from the person themselves. They have to recognize the harm being caused and actively choose to see things differently and behave differently.

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LightHawKnight
03/10/22 12:04:35 PM
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Pretty much this. One of my coworkers told me he used to be racist, raised in a rightwing family, and had that mindset. Changed it when he went to college out of state and man never knew he used to be like that the way he acts now.

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UnfairRepresent
03/10/22 12:07:10 PM
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Open communication with a larger group of people who challenge their beliefs over an extended period of time

most racists come from isolated circle jerk communities who reinforce their worldviews all day

Hence the overlap with religion

it's easy to hate "the black people " for "ruining the country!" as abstract concepts you're told about every week from your racist social groups

But its hard to hate Jerry down the road, just going to work, talking about the game etc.

There's a solid reason why LGBT acceptance skyrocketed after social media

Seeing gay people just being normal dudes with their normal dude lives and normal dude wives made it impossible to hate on them for any legitimate reason

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Tyranthraxus
03/10/22 12:10:48 PM
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eston posted...
Tbqh I don't even think ex-racist is a thing. Racism isn't some kind of switch you can turn on or off. Someone can of course become more tolerant through life experiences, but "ex-racist" implies some sort of weird status thing and I don't think that's how it works

Nah it's definitely a thing and there's even entire communities dedicated to helping people escape from that life which isn't easy since by the time you're in it, all your friends and family are racists.

https://www.lifeafterhate.org/

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eston
03/10/22 12:15:11 PM
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I'm surprised it took 9 posts and we didn't even get the copy pasta lol

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Trumble
03/10/22 12:16:32 PM
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Actually meeting and interacting with, in normal day-to-day situations, the people in question.

I have never seen a single person change their mind as a result of people harassing them over it. More often than not, if anything, that just emboldens them. It's always one of two things that changes people: positive experiences with the group in question; or nothing and the person just won't change at all.

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eston
03/10/22 12:17:08 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Nah it's definitely a thing and there's even entire communities dedicated to helping people escape from that life which isn't easy since by the time you're in it, all your friends and family are racists.

https://www.lifeafterhate.org/
You can definitely be an ex-member of a group or community, but I'm not sure I would call that ex-racist

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Tyranthraxus
03/10/22 12:21:43 PM
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eston posted...
You can definitely be an ex-member of a group or community, but I'm not sure I would call that ex-racist

Unless your argument is something like "once a thief always a thief" then you can absolutely be an ex-racist.

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eston
03/10/22 12:24:27 PM
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I just think it's a bit more nuanced than that is all

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ComfortablySad
03/10/22 12:26:32 PM
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Education. Meeting people of other races.

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Tyranthraxus
03/10/22 12:27:19 PM
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eston posted...
I just think it's a bit more nuanced than that is all

It's fine if you think it's nuanced but "this isn't a thing that exists" is not a nuanced opinion. It's pretty absolute & binary.

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SoIidLegacy
03/10/22 12:28:13 PM
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eston posted...
I just think it's a bit more nuanced than that is all

There's no such thing as nuance in Murrica. You're either a flawless saint or you're irredeemable scum for the rest of your life.

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knightmarexx
03/10/22 12:34:12 PM
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Everyone's a racist, some are just less racist than others.
I have met over 100 different cultures in my travels, and I still haven't even met 10% of all the various cultural groups of the world, and probably never will.
Let me give you an example: the Sentinal people of the Sentinal island it is said "are hostile to outsiders and have killed people who approached or landed on the island", and this is written and accepted almost everywhere - is this not itself is a racist stereotype? All outsiders who have approached the island have been.... killed, so we'll never find out what the rest of the Sentinelese people are like, and what their "culture" is like, so we can only use stereotypes.
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NoxObscuras
03/10/22 12:39:23 PM
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g0ldie posted...
there's a dude who used to post here (and he still might) that said he used to be racist, and run with neo-nazis.

anyway, he said that he met his wife (a black woman), and getting to know her made him actually think about his beliefs and eventually become critical of them.

I forget his username, though.
I remember that post, but I can't remember the guy's name either. Maybe he'll see this topic.

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Yeah this. Like a lot of older Asians here are xenophobic, because they never interact with anyone outside of their race. For example, one of my friends is Chinese and she admits that her parents would flip out if she brought a black guy home. But they just don't interact with black people much, so all they know are negative stereotypes.

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eston
03/10/22 12:45:58 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's fine if you think it's nuanced but "this isn't a thing that exists" is not a nuanced opinion. It's pretty absolute & binary.
I didn't say my opinion was nuanced. Racism, or more specifically somebody previously being racist and then not being racist anymore, is a nuanced position.

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Kobe Bryant
03/10/22 12:46:52 PM
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I knew a skin head who went to prison for manslaughter and it was the white guys who ended up raping him, and eventually befriended a black guy during his sentence

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coolguyjimmy
03/10/22 12:50:55 PM
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Kobe Bryant posted...
I knew a skin head who went to prison for manslaughter and it was the white guys who ended up raping him, and eventually befriended a black guy during his sentence

Was that before, or after he was accused of murdering the Archbishop?
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Jiek_Fafn
03/10/22 12:52:08 PM
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Interracial pornography

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Fony
03/10/22 12:53:28 PM
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Death.

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Kobe Bryant
03/10/22 12:54:07 PM
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coolguyjimmy posted...
Was that before, or after he was accused of murdering the Archbishop?

What?

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coolguyjimmy
03/10/22 12:56:49 PM
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Kobe Bryant posted...
What?

Oh, sorry I thought you were describing American History X...
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Tyranthraxus
03/10/22 12:58:13 PM
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coolguyjimmy posted...
Oh, sorry I thought you were describing American History X...

American History X is based on a real story though. The real guy in question is a speaker at anti hate conferences.

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gunplagirl
03/10/22 1:00:49 PM
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The ex racist I knew died, so he stopped being racist. Dude's blood pressure was apparently as bad as you'd expect for a guy always ranting about "the immigrants stealing our jobs".

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g0ldie
03/10/22 1:04:46 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
American History X is based on a real story though. The real guy in question is a speaker at anti hate conferences.
was his younger brother also murdered irl, or was that a movie thing?

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Tyranthraxus
03/10/22 1:09:03 PM
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g0ldie posted...
was his younger brother also murdered irl, or was that a movie thing?

That I don't know offhand.

Here's the Wikipedia page for the guy, it's probably in here if it's real

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Meeink

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g0ldie
03/10/22 1:14:04 PM
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thanks.

it's crazy to think that American History X was inspired by his story when he was so young (he was around 22 or 23, I think, when it was made).

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coolguyjimmy
03/10/22 1:14:45 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
That I don't know offhand.

Here's the Wikipedia page for the guy, it's probably in here if it's real

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Meeink

The 1998 film, American History X, is "loosely inspired by Meeink's life", and there's a citation needed warning.....

You may want to use inspired by if you've changed the story so much that it's basically just an essence of the original story. Based on a true story is more of an accurate accounting of the story, though there's probably some dramatic license taken.
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InTheEyesOfFire
03/10/22 1:18:20 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE
03/10/22 1:24:31 PM
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I just don't know how Christians can be racist lol.

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Tyranthraxus
03/10/22 1:26:51 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I just don't know how Christians can be racist lol.

You don't know how a religion founded on being God's chosen people can have racists?

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iwasapoetonce
03/10/22 1:31:09 PM
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Can you give me an example of that? @ImAMarvel

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Smackems
03/10/22 1:34:16 PM
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Being in the military

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SubwooferKing
03/10/22 1:35:02 PM
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eston posted...
Tbqh I don't even think ex-racist is a thing. Racism isn't some kind of switch you can turn on or off. Someone can of course become more tolerant through life experiences, but "ex-racist" implies some sort of weird status thing and I don't think that's how it works


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Smackems
03/10/22 1:35:16 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I just don't know how Christians can be racist lol.
In my experience a lot of them know they are wrong for it but just continue to be that way anyway

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iwasapoetonce
03/10/22 1:48:51 PM
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Oh. i get it. I think I've known a few.

Actually, funny story. I grew up with a friend whose grandma was racist.

The funny part is that I'm a dark skinned person myself. Its hard to describe the actual shade of dark I am, but I'm often mistaken as black to people who haven't really met a lot of black people. And if I'm under the sun a lot, I'm very very dark.

My friend's grandma is the steriotypical sweet old lady you see on TV with the exception of that racist part. She would sometimes go on rants about Filipinos, Latinos, Chinese and Vietnamese people. Probably more, but I never heard her talk bad about black people. It would make me uncomfortable, so I would try to correct her on her racist thinking by explaining to her that it was unfair to think of any race that way. But she kinda hand waved my comments off and said "sweety you just haven't experienced the world enough"

But she would consider me like her own grandson. Even said as much. She even cried on the day I left for the Navy because she was so proud of me. Always gave me hugs when I saw her, and always cooked something up whenever I visited my friend.

There was another old man that loved me like a grandson and alwasy spoke highly about me to his friends. But he quite often talked badly about my very demographic. Sometimes to me, which was weird... its like he kinda forgot who I am or something.

edit: oh forgot to answer your question. what do i think of them? Depends. If its the rant of an old man or lady and they don't actively promote harm, and are themselves otherwise good hearted people, then its something I feel I need to correct them on, but still be around with. I don't care what anyone on the internet says, those two people I mentioned were good people. I knew them. They were generally positives to their communities. They said things negatively about my people but I hoped that I could convince them otherwise as someone from the people they spoke badly about.

edit 2: @ImAMarvel

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eston
03/10/22 1:49:37 PM
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Racism isn't as cut and dry as people like to think. You can have black friends and still be racist against black people for example.

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PoundGarden
03/10/22 1:50:35 PM
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This. I used to have a problem with Muslims (bigotry, yes, same race different car) and after moving to MN which has a huge Somali population and meeting and talking to a few I realized the error of my ways. The mfg plant I did HR in the staff was ~70% Somali (not by design, they were the ones who actually wanted to work) and I made some good friends. I even designated one of our unused offices as a prayer area so they could have some privacy and a clean quiet area to pray for the more devout ones that have to pray 5 times per day.


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iwasapoetonce
03/10/22 1:58:24 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
I used to have a problem with Muslims

@PoundGarden
I met a former Navy SEAL who wanted to join the Navy for the sole purpose of killing Muslims. He was from a small southern town, so I'm guessing that was the source of his hatred. That hatred was literally his motivation to get through BUDS.

What changed him? Going to Afghanistan and Iraq. The very places he wanted to go to kill Muslims were also the places that made him have a change of heart. Interacting with these people made him see the error of his ways. After his contract ended, he got out of the Navy and I think he went into venture capitalism.

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Smackems
03/10/22 2:04:41 PM
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Being from a small southern town doesn't make you automatically racist lol

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