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The thing that keeps me from playing FF14 is less the MMO thing and moreso the fact that it supposedly takes more time to get good than it takes to beat most individual games in the series.

Mewtwo59 posted...

The thing that keeps me from playing FF14 is less the MMO thing and moreso the fact that it supposedly takes more time to get good than it takes to beat most individual games in the series.

Yeah I tried playing the free trial and got to level... 35 or so and everything was just so dull

I get that it's supposed to get better. But I put in a good chunk of time already and got nothing out of it and I couldn't force myself to keep going.

Leonhart4 posted...

Yes as I've heard in every topic that even tangentially mentions XIV

Well I don't know about many topics because I don't post a lot these days but this trailer reminded me a lot of FFXIV and has music from FFXIV's composer and is produced by FFXIV's producer so I think they are fairly related. I haven't even been subbed for awhile to the game I bring up 14 just because that's where my trust for how good the game will be comes from.

holy shit why are all the FFXIV stans in this topic acting like such huge assholes? and they won't even stop posting after being called out on it

Up to the day before I played FFXIV for the first time last year my stance on MMOs was that they were fake video game and people who claimed they liked playing the outside the social aspect were just straight up lying.

I only downloaded it because they announced a PS5 version and I wanted an opportunity to try a game that was updated for PS5 and it was free to download. I had no intention of playing the game.

I currently have 1600 hours in XIV.

See the playtime complaint is pretty valid but I also think people tend to underestimate how tedious MOST rpgs and other types of AAA games in general are. But that's fine, everyone has different breaking points for that.

Mac Arrowny posted...

holy shit why are all the FFXIV stans in this topic acting like such huge assholes? and they won't even stop posting after being called out on it

Thank God Mac the white knight is here save people from... game suggestions.

'Huge assholes' lmao how about you go fuck off, if you want me to be an asshole how about I start with you?

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

See the playtime complaint is pretty valid but I also think people tend to underestimate how tedious MOST rpgs and other types of AAA games in general are. But that's fine, everyone has different breaking points for that.

I dunno if any single player RPG I've played has as much tedious grinding as FFXIV.

You ain't gonna catch me dead in Bozja.

me neither, you'd have to be a loser to die in bozja HEH

I was hoping that reply wouldn't happen outside the topic proper :(

Mac Arrowny posted...

I dunno if any single player RPG I've played has as much tedious grinding as FFXIV.

FF14 main story doesn't have "grinding," it has fetch quests and filler. I have played tons and tons of games with those, or just where the normal acts of playing the game itself though random battles or whatever get tedious. I just got done playing Yakuza 7 not too long ago and complained to a friend the battles got pretty tedious, they responded that it was basically just Dragon Quest. Or for non-RPGs I also just beat God of War 2018, a game that's about three times longer than it needs to be. So that's about where I'm coming from.

final fantasy just really isn't a series for me anymore huh

I mean I like XIV but what's showing here just isn't anything I have any excitement for and boy it's something that the last time I got excited for a new mainline Final Fantasy was during high school, and that was for XIII which I hated (but nonetheless hung up posters for leading up to its release)

colliding posted...

there's even a semi-nude scene in this trailer! Mainline FF might finally embrace the edge.

It's an interesting choice to do that in the game with the youngest FF protagonist (although I can't tell if that's Clive in the scene or not).

XIV has the opposite of a grinding problem for a main playthrough, where if you even do one thing outside of the MSQ you're going end up wasting that sweet, sweet MSQ EXP by hitting level cap 59 hours before finishing Endwalker.

Leveling other jobs is a grind though obviously.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

FF14 main story doesn't have "grinding," it has fetch quests and filler. I have played tons and tons of games with those, or just where the normal acts of playing the game itself though random battles or whatever get tedious. I just got done playing Yakuza 7 not too long ago and complained to a friend the battles got pretty tedious, they responded that it was basically just Dragon Quest. Or for non-RPGs I also just beat God of War 2018, a game that's about three times longer than it needs to be. So that's about where I'm coming from.

Mm, fair. The main quest definitely isn't horrible in that respect, though there are a few places where the fetch quests get pretty bad. The dungeons can get a little long though.

I might be biased because one of the last things I did in the game was leveling up another class, heh. That stuff's damn grindy. Made me understand why they make so much money from level boost MTX...

Mac Arrowny posted...

I might be biased because one of the last things I did in the game was leveling up another class, heh.

I mean I can sure as hell tell you what went into a majority of those 1600 hours was doing.

Getting every job in the game to 90 was SOMETHING ELSE.

Is FF XIV the new "let me tell you about Homestuck"?

Lord Bob Bree posted...

Is FF XIV the new "let me tell you about Homestuck"?

Unironically yes, FF14 is "a Homestuck" in the same way that the MCU is "a Homestuck." I will not derail this topic further by elaborating.

the real homestuck was the friends we made along the way

the cult of yoshi p strikes again

anyway... this'll undoubtedly be the first mainline non-online FF game I don't play at launch unless they somehow incorporate some party-based combat

One of these days I'll play El Shaddai

Finally got home to watch the trailer

I dunno, if this didn't have the Final Fantasy name attached to it I wouldn't care about it at all. There's no hint of characters and not much of a hint of plot, just graphics and action battles, neither of which are the main things I want from FF. This will be console exclusive for a year and then Epic exclusive on PC for another year, though, so I won't ever play it anyway I guess

Seeing all the disinterest towards the battle system is so funny to me because I've never been more excited for the potential a Final Fantasy's combat. Though I guess in fairness FF7R ended up great, but I didn't really expect that one.

lmao the pushback against the xiv fans

which was like only chris in this topic

I think FF14 is a pretty good game

these people are like a cult fr

It's no FF6

But FF16 that might be ohhhhh baby

TotallyNotMI posted...

Yeah I tried playing the free trial and got to level... 35 or so and everything was just so dull

I get that it's supposed to get better. But I put in a good chunk of time already and got nothing out of it and I couldn't force myself to keep going.

Fwiw I think that the level 35ish quests are arguably the game's low point, but yeah it's definitely an investment to get to the really great stuff. I do think that the end of ARR is enjoyable, but then it goes back to being a grind for at least the first 60% or so of the patch quests before Heavensward (which is point where I think most people would say the story was really hitting its stride).

Xiahou Shake posted...

Seeing all the disinterest towards the battle system is so funny to me because I've never been more excited for the potential a Final Fantasy's combat.

Some Final Fantasy boomers are obsessed with turn-based. The same posts show up in every topic from the same people.

This does remind me that the console ports of the pixel remasters still hasn't happened yet

Maybe at summer games fest

The level 35ish ARR quests AKA "collect wine and cheese to punch rocks"

If it weren't for that one section in XIII-2 it would be the most horrendous stretch of content in the franchise's history.

ninkendo posted...

This does remind me that the console ports of the pixel remasters still hasn't happened yet

Maybe at summer games fest

I've still barely touched 4 but I refuse to buy on mobile.

Would have made some parts of Endwalker hit more, but them's the breaks.

KamikazePotato posted...

Some Final Fantasy boomers are obsessed with turn-based. The same posts show up in every topic from the same people.

SMT5 had better combat than FF7R IMO

KamikazePotato posted...

Some Final Fantasy boomers are obsessed with turn-based. The same posts show up in every topic from the same people.

i dont mind some action/not being totally turn based (7 remake was cool, I also really liked Stranger of Paradise), but I will really miss having some kind of party

the main protagonist is always the least interesting dude to me

Mac Arrowny posted...

SMT5 had better combat than FF7R IMO

I think FF7R is suburb but also, SMT battle systems blow turn-based FF out of the damn water. I do not really get the nostalgia for turn-based when it comes to FF. The best FF battle systems used ATB anyways!

Just don't touch my DQ battle system...!

FF has a great track record for games that use some weird name for "summons"

Medieval geopolitics can't possibly turn out to be a good story though

I tried FFXIV and it sucked ass

OK Foolmo

Robazoid posted...

Finally got home to watch the trailer

I dunno, if this didn't have the Final Fantasy name attached to it I wouldn't care about it at all. There's no hint of characters and not much of a hint of plot, just graphics and action battles, neither of which are the main things I want from FF. This will be console exclusive for a year and then Epic exclusive on PC for another year, though, so I won't ever play it anyway I guess

Not only that, it'll be $70. I'm not expecting to play it until 5 years after it comes out at the earliest.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

The best FF battle systems used ATB anyways!

I mean the blueprints to a dynamic turn-based battle system was happening but they just threw it all the way when versus XIII got upgraded to mainline.

It's not like I want things to be like ps1 battle systems

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

The best FF battle systems used ATB anyways!

10 didn't use ATB and it has the best battle system in the series.

But anyway yeah honestly if it weren't for the FF14 devs being attached to this I wouldn't care at all about 16 so far. Every trailer is just completely nothing to me. I more or less don't know what the game is about from the trailers alone, no idea who any character is, and they aren't really showing enough of gameplay to draw an opinion on that either. It's just a bunch of flashy animations with no substance.

And I already am just much less interested in general because it's action based. FF7R was decent but basically every other action RPG Square has made or published since KH2: Final Mix has been either tolerable at best (every KH after that, for instance) or outright awful at worst (FF15).

This game looks like Castlevania Lord of Shadows 3 (was there a third game) but has Final Fantasy names and RPG damage numbers.

Final Fantasy summons fighting in large scale Kaiju battles seems rad but it's gonna reek of rock/paper/scissors QTEs I just know it.

Good time to remind people to play some dragon's dogma if they want an idea on how this game might end up playing

I wanted every FF battle system to be 10, but more refined QoL. The only games to come anywhere close was P5 and Yakuza 7. Makes me a hardliner sure, but that's also on Square for chasing away people who felt there was absolutely nothing wrong 20 years ago. The fact I am skeptical every single game now rather than excited is because of that. It's also on them for chasing some mythical "western gamer ideal" when they perfected the formula already.

So yes, forgive me for being a boomer stuck with Dragon Quest to remind me what Square used to be great at.

Final Fantasy has always been a weird experimental franchise. Some of us are fine not wanting experimentation. It's like Iron Maiden releasing Number of the Beast and Powerslave for years. A certain expectation is there. Or more to the point Motorhead. Motorhead released the same fucking album for 40 years (give or take some quality). For some, you kinda want that old fashioned familiarity and commitment.

After 10, Square has dabbled in nearly every fucking genre to varying degrees. It can be frustrating.

Square's older games weren't great because of battle systems (although 10's is very good), they were great because of story, characters, music, and aesthetics that were, at the time, cutting edge. That's what people mostly care about in RPGs. Turn-based battles systems have only ever held back the genre's popularity ceiling, and I say this as someone who still likes turn-based battle systems. Real time systems have much higher widespread appeal among gamers.

Side note, but I checked a bunch of different subreddits for reactions to the trailer, and the only one that didn't have a positive reception is r/JRPG. Much for the same complaints that some are using in this topic. The more general gaming subreddits were happy.

Maybe, but you still need something to cling to if you're playing a game for 50-100 hours. Initially, it might be excting to try "Wow look, I can do more than press x in a menu." But FF failed in so many different ways searching for some weird action formula.

X-2: Everything feels weightless and goofy (the whole game is really)
XII: Gambits take away player involvement once the "game part" happens. Issues with Quickenings/MP usage
XIII: Once again, letting the computer do all the heavy lifting. We're reduced to "strategically" think through stuff while the game plays itself.
XV: A step in the right direction: more personal involvement, even if it is very warp strike heavy.
7R: Hybrid of XIII's stagger system with XV's hack and slash. I just wish bosses weren't damage sponges.

I'm not saying action based or turnbased are any better. I just think if you're going to experiment to the degree FF does, you may want to "not" call it FF anymore. Chrono Trigger was nothing like FF. Secret of Mana was nothing like FF. Nier was nothing like FF. And they did just fine being action games or turn based games on their own merits. The problem is because they keep the FF label for marketing purposes, you're stuck being attached to an expectation. Unfortunately, for half the series' runtime, either their battle system or story implementation has been weird, wonky, and off-putting.

FF changed too much from 10s near flawlessness in too many ways TOO quickly with XII that for everyone who enjoyed the "MMO westernization" you had me thinking, "Uh..no. This is not a FF game. This is a western game with FF's name on it."