It solves the practical issue of "these people are no longer present in the universe," which is better than not solving that issue if we start from fundamentally valuing their presence. There's room to debate the philosophy of what it means to exist as a person, but this is definitely the best available solution to ensure that the worlds don't disappear permanently, considering what would be involved in "solving" unbreakable laws of matter.
But who cares? Like, that isn't you, that isn't anybody you know. You saved nothing, you just created a new thing that you could have done anyway. It's incredibly unsatisfying.
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That applies to a lot of this game. It very much employs a "show, don't tell" approach to much of its storytelling and worldbuilding, with things not necessarily being explicitly explained but making sense if you think about how everything fits together.
Nah, you are straight up saying things the game doesn't say, that characters don't talk about, that nobody brings up. Even IF we assume the stuff you guessed at is true, the characters should be talking about it and it should influence their decisions in ways that it didn't.
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Maybe they don't have the power to access it. They are also mortal (exceptionally long-lived, but most of the reason they're still around now is because they were held in various forms of stasis), so "freeze time for everyone else until we figure out a way to fundamentally rewrite physics" isn't necessarily a safe bet, especially if maintaining time in that frozen state requires additional energy input (such as, from a synthetic world where people's life energy is routinely harvested to keep the system running).
What do you mean don't have the power to access it? They MADE it. Unlike the conduit, this wasn't something they found of exceptional power, this was something they created from the ground up. And why do you bring up fundamentally changing physics? They freeze time, create a new planet from nothing but human willpower, and then rewind time. They haven't been playing by physics rules since the beginning of xenoblade 1. The idea of generating life energy from nothing to harvest in a closed system to begin with goes against the most immutable law of thermodynamics. I'm pretty sure they even mention racing to finish origin because it's all they had time to do before the collision. Extra time is potentially all they needed. Create a big ass spaceship and shuttle all the people off the planet or something. Create a solid barrier preventing you from moving towards the collision site. Force the things off the trajectory they are on. Anything. At least try instead of just giving up and accepting oblivion.
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Into a human-ish form. A central theme of all three Xenoblade games has been to explore the implications of gods being limited by human thinking and weakness.
This is literally his only human trait and from the perspective of an immortal god, the people are dying and being reborn. He says it himself directly. And it should matter to him, it's the core of his being, or rather all of his being.
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And the N that exists as a separate, genocidal maniac has met with the appropriate stabbity death to prevent further maniacal genocide. Anything past that stabbity death is a matter of Noah learning how not to end up following the same path, since they are in fact copies of the same person (with the same personalities, beliefs, and attitudes). The difference is that our Noah ended up meeting the right people to support him through losing Mio (including M sacrificing herself in Mio's stead), allowing him to break the cycle of despair that created and sustained N.
No, he physically shows the fuck back up, memories, clothing, moebius and all, and kills Z.
The heavy black fog presence around each castle is mostly *because* of the Annihilator, which inherently attracts black fog (the same way interlinking does, so it probably works on a similar principle). It's loosely implied that black fog is a symptom of an impending annihilation event, rather than the cause. While having lots of black fog around is correlated with a higher risk of an annihilation event, it does not itself seem to create one just by virtue of existing in an area.
Again, no, they explicitly state that's not the case and that the converter absorbs the black fog. As for the 2nd part, the fact that the cannon works is proof enough. They absorb the black fog and shoot it and it causes annihilation. How could it be any different? I'm also pretty sure interlinking was never said to attract black fog but it is a long game so I might have just forgot a conversation.
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You already touched on why it isn't pointless: If the colonies were left alone, Moebius would be reborn as soon as the worlds' collision resumed and we'd have to start all over again. Freeing the colonies was a vital part of helping them all cope with their fear of an unknown future so they could move forward into it.
I don't accept that. I didn't free them so they could come to terms with their own death. That's so fucking sad and shitty. Not to mention, you get the same ending whether you do those sidequests or not, so there is no change in the result. I didn't save Aionios from moebius to just destroy everyone. I feel legit betrayed by the party. They killed a planet full of life. They gave up on the future. Not to mention, it's not an unknown future, it's death. We know it's death because we kill them and ourselves. It's like freeing people from hell by deleting them from existence. Fuck that, I fought hard to free them from hell them an actual decent life. I worried about the long term viability of the colonies because I intended them to keep existing.
Honestly continuing to even think about the game is just depressing me. I'm probably done talking about it. Already got the 100% (and Nia's ascension quests says the palents didn't know about each other accept here on Aionios and thats why we would forget each other afterwards despite them literally showing the planets contacting each other to build origin which is the whole basis of this stupid ass plot to begin with). Xenoblade was my favorite jrpg series but honestly, I'm not so sure it is anymore. I've never had an ending to a game make me hate the game like this one has. The only thing giving me some solace is that it seems like the ending was pretty poorly recieved as a whole, unlike xenoblade 2 which also had a shit ending but people seemed to like, so at least for once I'm not alone in being unsatisfied.
But who cares? Like, that isn't you, that isn't anybody you know. You saved nothing, you just created a new thing that you could have done anyway. It's incredibly unsatisfying.
A new thing that looks exactly like you, has exactly the same memories, personality, beliefs, and experiences, and will behave exactly as you would have, were you still around to do it. Being destroyed and recreated exactly as you were an instant prior is functionally identical to surviving the destructive event. I'd call that a whole lot better than not surviving it.
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Nah, you are straight up saying things the game doesn't say, that characters don't talk about, that nobody brings up. Even IF we assume the stuff you guessed at is true, the characters should be talking about it and it should influence their decisions in ways that it didn't.
Pretty much everything I said is near-verbatim what Nia said in explaining Origin. There's a bit of inference involved in guessing that the annihilation issue is based on matter-antimatter interactions, since that's a bit of real-world physics that lines up perfectly with the phenomena described, but that's well within the realm of reading between the lines.
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What do you mean don't have the power to access it? They MADE it. Unlike the conduit, this wasn't something they found of exceptional power, this was something they created from the ground up.
They made it using pre-existing technology (Origin's data is stored in core crystals, which were already available in Alrest) to manipulate an energy source far, far greater than anything they could ever have created themselves (a universe's worth of E=mc^2). Nothing about that means they have the power nor the knowledge to do everything that energy could possibly be used for.
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And why do you bring up fundamentally changing physics? They freeze time, create a new planet from nothing but human willpower, and then rewind time. They haven't been playing by physics rules since the beginning of xenoblade 1.
All of which was done by a godlike being that came into existence, by manipulating that unfathomable amount of energy in ways mortals would not necessarily have been able to. All of that is also within the confines of the physics I'm talking about, which is the fact that matter and antimatter annihilate upon coming into contact with each other. That phenomenon is the energy source that powers all of those things; rewrite that somehow and you can't do any of it.
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Create a big ass spaceship and shuttle all the people off the planet or something.
Nia's animation of the collision suggests it's quite a bit more than just a couple planets colliding. A spaceship isn't going to be able to cover that kind of distance before the annihilation blast (which would be moving at the speed of light) catches up to them.
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Create a solid barrier preventing you from moving towards the collision site. Force the things off the trajectory they are on.
I'm not sure building a wall or trying to push them somewhere else is really going to be enough to prevent universes from colliding with each other.
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At least try instead of just giving up and accepting oblivion.
Again, it's not really oblivion if you remember and continue to experience everything that existed before the event. Nobody's past ever really exists. Memories and extrapolations from present observations are all we have by which to define it.
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This is literally his only human trait and from the perspective of an immortal god, the people are dying and being reborn. He says it himself directly. And it should matter to him, it's the core of his being, or rather all of his being.
From the perspective of an immortal god, individuals' deaths and rebirths are pretty meaningless. He just sees that as a means to an end, namely minimizing total suffering (as he defines it) by making sure that everything is as predictable as possible. That's a very human bit of egocentrism.
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Again, no, they explicitly state that's not the case and that the converter absorbs the black fog. As for the 2nd part, the fact that the cannon works is proof enough. They absorb the black fog and shoot it and it causes annihilation. How could it be any different?
It's stated that it condenses it, but not how or what that means, so there's some room for interpretation there. It's explicitly stated elsewhere that black fog density doesn't correlate with annihilation risk, so it's not simply a matter of "cram enough fog in here then it'll explode," so it has to depend on something else. Then, once the fog begins the annihilation reaction, the cannon shoots it somewhere else to explode.
YoukaiSlayer posted...
I'm also pretty sure interlinking was never said to attract black fog but it is a long game so I might have just forgot a conversation.
It aggressively gathers around O and P right before they annihilate and was gathering similarly around Lanz and Sena when they tried to kamikaze N (as an aside, that sequence is heckin underrated in terms of turbosad, thanks to being overshadowed by the rest of the chapter 5 finale). That's one of the major indicators that black fog responds to spatial abnormalities, and in turn suggests that the power of interlinking comes from exploiting the energy released by coming as close as possible to annihilating without actually doing so (with the time limit reached when the interaction proceeds past the point of no return and the pair can no longer separate to stop it), which in turn is the power Moebius used to create Aionios (by bringing the two worlds as close together as possible, resulting in the occasional "leak" that results in annihilation).
There's a lot of room to speculate around the black fog, but there are also a lot of clues scattered around that combine to form the various theories that exist.
YoukaiSlayer posted...
I don't accept that. I didn't free them so they could come to terms with their own death. That's so f***ing sad and s***ty.
Even if Aionios weren't destroyed, though, they'd still have died. All that work you put into getting Zeon his potatoes? He's 10th term and will be dead in less than a year. Isurd finally learned to trust his lieutenants enough to not mire them down in bureaucracy? One of them will be taking over his position when he dies next year. Valdi? He's finally free to make new robot friends for a whole four more years.
Sure, you can say that they've left legacies and whatnot, but every single person that was freed from the flame clock will be dead within 10 years, and many of them much sooner than that. Virtually every one of those colonies is going to fall to ruin after being abandoned because there aren't enough people left to maintain them (bearing in mind that the Castle isn't going to be sending replacements) and the survivors gather together in a desperate attempt to make enough babies to avoid extinction (the oldest of which will be around 4-5 when the last of the original adults die, if we assume that nobody reproduces before 14-15). The only chance of passing anything on is to become assimilated by the City, which gives them the opportunity to have a kid, but really not much else, and whatever they achieved as a colony is going to be largely irrelevant in the face of the City having already done it.
Quite simply, there is no future for Aionios without Moebius supplying a steady stream of new people. The paradigm Z established means - probably deliberately - that it's all but impossible to get a self-sustaining population going. It is bleak, so as terrible as it seems to willingly wipe it all out for the sake of recreating a world free of Moebius, that really is the only way people can actually be granted the freedom to live their lives as they want to. Our role throughout the story and side quests is to give people the chance to enjoy a small fraction of that freedom before their rapidly-approaching demise, which primes them to want it enough to overcome the fear that gave rise to Moebius in the first place.
YoukaiSlayer posted...
Honestly continuing to even think about the game is just depressing me.
That's understandable. It's a profoundly depressing setting and it doesn't sugarcoat the ending to make it happy enough to offset that. You actually have to dig to find the happiness and hope that the party's victory brings, and even then, it's not without its costs (including splitting up the absolute best party dynamic and chemistry I've ever seen in a game) and it's not a guaranteed improvement. But it's there, and to accuse the game of just shoehorning a sad ending in for feels points does it a pretty profound disservice. It's significantly more layered than that and the sad aspects are completely consistent with the details of the story as presented. You may not want a sad story, and in that case it may not be the game you need right now, but that's a matter of personal preference, not a failure on the game's part.
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Can you quote where they explicitly say this? Should be easy if it's explicit.
I don't remember the exact context, but I believe it's Taion that's talking about what he's figured out from how the Annihilator works, and mentioning that black fog is condensed inside it is part of that. Now, that's not absorbing it or converting it or anything like that so much as it is harnessing its properties and relationship to the annihilation events, but I do remember the scene he's talking about.
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Because postgame grinding. It's an extremely powerful gem, so it makes some amount of sense to have it be hard to get. If you set up your gem crafting right, you should only need 4 copies of the crystal to outfit the entire active party and 8 copies to give one to everyone (which is convenient but not necessary), and those crystals can also give Double Attack (which you should have 3-4 copies of) and Unbeatable (which is good to put on everyone), so it's fairly productive farming. If you save scum the chest dropped by the unique version (Magnificent Digalus), you'll get enough of all three gems pretty quickly.
I can't beat that one yet. Every attack including your own attacks topples you.
A new thing that looks exactly like you, has exactly the same memories, personality, beliefs, and experiences, and will behave exactly as you would have, were you still around to do it. Being destroyed and recreated exactly as you were an instant prior is functionally identical to surviving the destructive event. I'd call that a whole lot better than not surviving it.
That's not you though. It's not functionally identical to surviving. Your consciousness turned off and never turned back on again. You died. Same as the teleporter example you mentioned when you brought it up originally. The easy proof of this is what happens if it makes that exact copy and you don't die? Is it that copy you? No, obviously not. You don't suddenly exist in two places as a dual being or something.
adjl posted...
There's a bit of inference involved in guessing that the annihilation issue is based on matter-antimatter interactions, since that's a bit of real-world physics that lines up perfectly with the phenomena described, but that's well within the realm of reading between the lines.
That's not a line that should be left for inference. There's so many people that don't even realize that everybody dies twice in this game, once in alrest/bionis and once at the end of the game. If the vast majority of your audience walks away without understanding what happened, that's pretty bad.
adjl posted...
They made it using pre-existing technology (Origin's data is stored in core crystals, which were already available in Alrest) to manipulate an energy source far, far greater than anything they could ever have created themselves (a universe's worth of E=mc^2). Nothing about that means they have the power nor the knowledge to do everything that energy could possibly be used for.
They presumably still have at least some of pneuma right? We see the picture of pyra and mythra with kids. The fact that something was able to create the conduit at some point means theres clearly a way around the physics of annihilation that some alien civilization found at one point. Work to find it yourselves. It also calls into question why they didn't realize the universes would collide in the first place until suddenly became away of the other universe, somehow. Almost as if wasn't a reasonable thing to think would happen. Nothing about the end of the first 2 games gave any indication that all their work was for nothing and both universes would annihilate.
adjl posted...
Nia's animation of the collision suggests it's quite a bit more than just a couple planets colliding. A spaceship isn't going to be able to cover that kind of distance before the annihilation blast (which would be moving at the speed of light) catches up to them.
All it does is show the two planets collide. In fact, I think they don't even mention the universes colliding, only the planets. The collision we see a bit of is a physical collision with explosions and stuff. I don't think theres any reason to think annihilation effect was even going to happen or if it did, it wouldn't matter because the planets would have already exploded physically. And again, in her post game ascension quest she said the planets never knew of each other until Z created aionios, which goes against everything the games plot was made from, so I think you give them too much credit.
They also managed to somehow send origin to a neutral space, why not send all the people with it? Move them to some 3rd universe. Do something.
adjl posted...
Again, it's not really oblivion if you remember and continue to experience everything that existed before the event. Nobody's past ever really exists. Memories and extrapolations from present observations are all we have by which to define it.
The past exists in the fact that cause and effect is stable. Regardless, memories aren't even what I'm talking about here. An exact copy of you still isn't you. The lights don't just turn back on for you after you've died and a copy is made or else a second light would come on when a copy is made without you dying.
From the perspective of an immortal god, individuals' deaths and rebirths are pretty meaningless. He just sees that as a means to an end, namely minimizing total suffering (as he defines it) by making sure that everything is as predictable as possible. That's a very human bit of egocentrism.
If he doesn't care about individual deaths, then he wouldn't exist in the first place. Honestly it already makes no sense. Like, the worlds are destroyed, and origin's job is to create a new world for everyone to live on and then create clones of them with their experiences. Instead it creates a new world for them all to live on with their clones except not permanently. If it's as you claim and the power he did this with was the annihilation of the universes, then it's already too late to stall out the endless now for the people of alrest and bionis, so theres literally no point to him doing that. They already died anyway. The only difference in the future when it works correctly is that they will make a planet fhat won't have annihilation events. It's so stupid.
adjl posted...
It's stated that it condenses it, but not how or what that means, so there's some room for interpretation there. It's explicitly stated elsewhere that black fog density doesn't correlate with annihilation risk, so it's not simply a matter of "cram enough fog in here then it'll explode," so it has to depend on something else. Then, once the fog begins the annihilation reaction, the cannon shoots it somewhere else to explode.
I can try and see if anyone has all the discussion topics listed but I'm not talking about the normal scene where taion brings up how it works, but a discussion topic that you can find afterwards (that just awards 100 bonus xp) where.
While the black fog's role in annihilation is unclear it could be something as simple as if it collides directly with matter then it annihilates it but that very rarely happens from it just sitting around. Or it could be totally different. They didn't bother to explain it.
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Even if Aionios weren't destroyed, though, they'd still have died. All that work you put into getting Zeon his potatoes? He's 10th term and will be dead in less than a year. Isurd finally learned to trust his lieutenants enough to not mire them down in bureaucracy? One of them will be taking over his position when he dies next year. Valdi? He's finally free to make new robot friends for a whole four more years.
Sure, you can say that they've left legacies and whatnot, but every single person that was freed from the flame clock will be dead within 10 years, and many of them much sooner than that. Virtually every one of those colonies is going to fall to ruin after being abandoned because there aren't enough people left to maintain them (bearing in mind that the Castle isn't going to be sending replacements) and the survivors gather together in a desperate attempt to make enough babies to avoid extinction (the oldest of which will be around 4-5 when the last of the original adults die, if we assume that nobody reproduces before 14-15). The only chance of passing anything on is to become assimilated by the City, which gives them the opportunity to have a kid, but really not much else, and whatever they achieved as a colony is going to be largely irrelevant in the face of the City having already done it.
Quite simply, there is no future for Aionios without Moebius supplying a steady stream of new people. The paradigm Z established means - probably deliberately - that it's all but impossible to get a self-sustaining population going. It is bleak, so as terrible as it seems to willingly wipe it all out for the sake of recreating a world free of Moebius, that really is the only way people can actually be granted the freedom to live their lives as they want to. Our role throughout the story and side quests is to give people the chance to enjoy a small fraction of that freedom before their rapidly-approaching demise, which primes them to want it enough to overcome the fear that gave rise to Moebius in the first place.
There's no reason to think they wouldn't send new copies of people. They can still do it clearly. It even happens automatically in the lost colonies. Not to mention, they could unravel why the bodies only last 10 years in the first place and find a way around it. That's what I was hoping for, thats what the game implied. Vandahm says we deserve more than 10 years and if we want to survive longer we should go to the city. That's the call to action for our characters. We even see if you interact with the monuments that many of the original ouroboros found a way to live past the 10 year limit. I was expecting that to be the final reveal. After we control origin and manage to merge the world completely and undo the rules Z put in place. Hell they could have kept it as some emotion power bullshit and replaced the despair engine of Z with a hope engine of Noah + Mio or something that generated the energy to survive through positive emotions instead of negative ones. That would have been more in keeping with the games themes. Have it powered by white motes instead of red ones. Ether as an energy source and potential opposite to the black fog is another pointer to this possibility.
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That's understandable. It's a profoundly depressing setting and it doesn't sugarcoat the ending to make it happy enough to offset that.
The problem is, this is a game, not a movie. My success at overcoming gameplay challenges should be rewarded, not punished. They chose to not only ruin the happiness of this game, but retroactively the happiness of the previous 2 games, since the worlds we fought so hard to protect all perish. Like wtf. This reminds me of the original mass effect 3 ending where it just leaves you feeling like "well shit, what was even the point?". IMO theres no greater writing sin then making the journey irrelevant with the ending and this game managed to not only do it for it's own game, but for 2 other games as well.
Catching up on some shows and I know none of you care based upon the literal pages of discussion about a game I hate without knowing anything about, but the latest episode of Kanokari is probably one of the rare cases in a romance anime where a main girl character actually gets physically intimate with the MC. And I'm not talking about like Marin and Gojo in the Love Hotel either.
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I know none of you care based upon the literal pages of discussion about a game I hate without knowing anything about
I am happy to talk about anything else at this point. Took me a second to realize what kanokari was (rent a girlfriend in english). I think I dropped the first season a few episodes in. I was surprised to see somehow season 2 has a much lower score than season 1. That's pretty rare in general, since people that don't like the show would have generally not watched a season 2. I wonder what happened, but not enough to watch more of it.
In my anime watching, devil is a part timer finally had a somewhat funny episode. It's been a pretty disappointing season from it which is a pretty big letdown after such a long wait. I still can't figure out why they added a baby and it seems most people also dislike that, but even aside from that, the comedy hasn't really hit as well. It's not awful or anything, just kinda boring.
In danmachi the current arc feels kinda weird. It's so similar to what they just did last arc. There's also a lot of yelling someones name and then not actually fucking saying or doing anything else and it's annoyed me this latest episode. It's something I imagine wasn't really meant to be the case in the source material but I guess I don't know.
Kinda surprised I'm saying this about harem labyrinth, but I wish they'd fuck a little less. It's pretty ok ecchi stuff (borderline hentai, but thus far very vanilla) but I still find the dungeon exploring and fantasy slice of life more interesting. This last episode especially had like 5 sex scenes and it gutted the pacing of what they were doing in the dungeon. Still a very enjoyable show.
Overlord continues my same trend where every time the floor guardians aren't involved, it's great, and every time they are, it's annoying and unpleasant. The joke of them thinking he's so smart and omnipotent but really he's panicking and trying to keep up appearances has worn so thin it's see through at this point. We are 4 seasons in and half the cast is still the same joke they were in episode 1.
Vermeil is still whatever. It's exactly what it looks like and the quality is acceptable. The main character is terminally boring but the rest of the cast is ok. Feels like the author would rather be writing shotacon hentai but it is what it is.
Kingdom is still godlike. The latest episode was fantastic. 2 people sitting in a room talking to each has never been so dramatic and the other half of whats going on was great too. This anime sometimes is a little jojo esque.
I'm behind on a few shows. Of them I'm only sure I'll get back to lycoris and summertime render. Summertime render is at the point where I feel like I'll probably just let it finish before getting back to it so I won't be stuck waiting for the mystery to resolve. I'm begging this show to have a good ending. Please. Even just not a terrible one, thats all I ask.
Oh, I also need to get back to made in abyss. I feel less urgency to watch it knowing they won't get to the bottom layer this season (and still haven't in the source). Another anime I pray has a good ending but I feel fairly low faith that it will. I feel like the bottom of the abyss has been built up as such a mystery that it will be incredibly hard to deliver something that lives up to that.
I am happy to talk about anything else at this point. Took me a second to realize what kanokari was (rent a girlfriend in english). I think I dropped the first season a few episodes in. I was surprised to see somehow season 2 has a much lower score than season 1. That's pretty rare in general, since people that don't like the show would have generally not watched a season 2. I wonder what happened, but not enough to watch more of it.
Romance anime just don't seem to be popular recently to begin with. If you look at the next season coming up it is basically entirely filled with shounen with huge hitters in MHA, Mob Psycho, Bleach both coming back and Helly's favorite obsession in Chainsaw Man starting. I've actually seen basically all of the romance series this season not be that popular. Even on the other site I visit none of them are very well received and all of the discussion is going on with both Isekai Ojisan and Made in Abyss S2 which seems to both have massive appeal.
The show I am most surprised about is My Stepmother's Daughter is my Ex. Very low buzz for a show that would ordinarily have a lot of commotion on it for its name alone.
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Whenever someone sings fansa and they don't input their name instead of mona at the mona-beam part I'm like "Are you even a real aidoru?".
Seems like a fairly low key season in general, but at the very least kaguya S3 was popular when it aired just a season or two ago so I don't think romance anime is dead or anything, I just think the ones we have this season are pretty mediocre.
I think with stepmother's daughter is my ex, people expected it to be more spicy, like domestic girlfriend or something, and lost interest when it was actually fairly wholesome. At least, that's what I remember people saying near the start of the season, I only watched the first episode.
Isekai Ojisan is pretty good, I'm glad it's popular. It does have a fair amount of romcom type stuff in it.
I think this is one of the weaker seasons in recent times, although it's still not bad.
I do not look forward to chainsaw man coming out. I did not like what I read of the manga and it's all anyone is gonna be talking about. Hopefully somehow the anime makes me like it, but it feels very nonsensical and abstract and I dislike that. I watched that recent gigguk video about the writer's previous works and all feels like the polar opposite of the stuff I like. Very much focused on being emotional over being logically consistent.
I am interested to see how well it actually does. I feel that works of that type get a hardcore fanbase (like everything trigger does) but usually don't quite breach the most popular stuff like demon slayer or MHA before it. However, I don't know if any have had this level of hype going in.
one of the rare cases in a romance anime where a main girl character actually gets physically intimate with the MC.
Do you mean sex or just general physical intimacy? The latter seems to be pretty rare in general in anime, unless the relationship is pretty well developed.
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Do you mean sex or just general physical intimacy? The latter seems to be pretty rare in general in anime, unless the relationship is pretty well developed.
Basically, Ruka (who's not the main girl, but her thing is that she's supposed to be Kazuya's (the main character)' boyfriend despite the main character not liking her) has a rather uh, extensive kissing scene that would be bordering on making out if Kazuya was at all into it in Kazuya's home when they were visiting. His grandmother. Even more awkward was that Chizuru (the main girl) was in the other room. Whole thing ends up being very awkward because of the interactions with the 3 main characters. The show is part harem, but usually with shows like this the non-main girl isn't the focus like it is here. I could just be stupid. It could be a harem trope or something.
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Whenever someone sings fansa and they don't input their name instead of mona at the mona-beam part I'm like "Are you even a real aidoru?".
I could just be stupid. It could be a harem trope or something.
I feel like it's becoming more popular lately. Even this season both vermeil and harem labyrinth have quite a lot of physical intimacy, although I guess only for the main girls so far. Maybe harem labyrinth shouldn't count since it's basically hentai but vermeil is definitely a normal ecchi anime that just so happens to have a lot of making out. Oh wait, engage kiss also has a lot of vigorous making out as well. It's the season of the aggressive kiss I guess.
Whew, watched episodes 3-10 of made in abyss S2. Still nothing like this show. Everything feels so uncaringly brutal. The characters all seem like they are incredibly tiny and insignificant to the abyss. No environment has ever felt so dangerous. It's a shame only like 4 chapters release a year. It'll be like 5 more years before theres enough for a 3rd season. I just wanna know whats at the bottom.
Damn, I was wondering why it was taking so long for isekai uncle to come out and it turns out it's postponed and will start airing again FROM EPISODE 1 in October. So it'll be like 3 months until we are getting a new episode. Feels like this kinda stuff is happening more and more.
Damn, I was wondering why it was taking so long for isekai uncle to come out and it turns out it's postponed and will start airing again FROM EPISODE 1 in October. So it'll be like 3 months until we are getting a new episode. Feels like this kinda stuff is happening more and more.
Likely because of the pandemic ramping up again in Japan. Both Shine Post and Love Live had to skip a week because of the pandemic.
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Whenever someone sings fansa and they don't input their name instead of mona at the mona-beam part I'm like "Are you even a real aidoru?".
Guess there's no point in even going for the crystals since they just don't fucking drop. I can't beat Digalus because every attack topples and Gonzalez does not drop the topple resist crystals. I'm assuming Digalus does not drop the debuff resist either at this rate.
still no working PC so I've been binging anime on crunchy lmao
Link Click was insanely good to the point where hearing Chinese (which I can't guess at at all, compared to Japanese where I can sorta parse audibly) didn't bother me at all
Sorta reminded me of Id Invaded
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http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum.
What's the name of that show with the depressed/cynical guy working on a kids' show or something like that? I always forget the name when I want to look it up.
Also me & my siblings are planning to go to RDC World next year. I still can't believe those guys have their own convention; I just found out about it right after this year's one ended.
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Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai
What's the name of that show with the depressed/cynical guy working on a kids' show or something like that? I always forget the name when I want to look it up.
Uramichi Onii-san
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"Splashing water on a pervert is like putting lasers on a shark" - Shiho Shishido
Kingdom episode is delayed a week, sad. I decided to look at next season and saw a new gundam. It already has a prologue episode out 2 weeks ago and damn, it got me invested. I hope the whole show keeps up that quality. It's been ages since the last full length gundam series.
Wow, continuing my look at next season they have another high school girls do asmr short series and this time it's also an isekai where the guy reincarnates into the microphone the girls use for ASMR. What a premise.
Was intrigued by Super Crooks, but so far it's been pretty trash. The first episode was lousy with lots of predictable moments (I mean, an electric guy going to a pool? Seriously?). Second episode doesn't seem much better.
Although technically the series has a lot of US involvement so even though it's in an anime style, etc, I'm not sure it really counts.
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Everybody's got a price / Everybody's got to pay / Because the Million Drachma Man / Always gets his way. AhahahahMMH
Just watched all of cyberpunk edgerunners today which was surprisingly awesome. I'm not generally a fan of studio trigger. I feel they go so over the top that everything loses it's meaning, but this was the right level of grounded with some over the top stuff.
I don't watch a lot (any besides rachie?) of EN Vtubers, but recently started watching Purin: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdrQWcX7XLDSUEh9SAxnyBg I don't know, something about her sense of humor or how 90% of her streams are Guerilla.
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Whenever someone sings fansa and they don't input their name instead of mona at the mona-beam part I'm like "Are you even a real aidoru?".
Ended up dropping a bunch of anime this season but KNKR season 2 ended with an announcement for season 3 so that's going to be good in like... 2 years. Anime of the season is probably going to be Superstar S2.
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Whenever someone sings fansa and they don't input their name instead of mona at the mona-beam part I'm like "Are you even a real aidoru?".
Man they could have cut 95% of this weeks danmachi and nothing would have been lost. Honestly even 100% would be relatively inconsequential. They didn't do anything, everyone just talked about the same thing we already knew from last episode. It's like a recap episode except they only recap the last 1 minute of the previous episode.
This season is ending finally. Finished up harem labyrinth and it ended with a bang (or several bangs if you know what i mean). I hope we get more. It was pretty high up on viewership on the site I use so maybe a decent shot.
Also finished vermeil. A very meh show. Watchable but barely. Main guy is easily the least personality I've seen on a protagonist in some time.
Man they could have cut 95% of this weeks danmachi and nothing would have been lost. Honestly even 100% would be relatively inconsequential. They didn't do anything, everyone just talked about the same thing we already knew from last episode. It's like a recap episode except they only recap the last 1 minute of the previous episode.
This season is ending finally. Finished up harem labyrinth and it ended with a bang (or several bangs if you know what i mean). I hope we get more. It was pretty high up on viewership on the site I use so maybe a decent shot.
Also finished vermeil. A very meh show. Watchable but barely. Main guy is easily the least personality I've seen on a protagonist in some time.
Vermeil was ok for me too. Harem Labyrinth was nice though and I hope we get more of it. I do hope that if we get a s2, we get proper introductions and not just have that last rush as their intros.
Finishing all kinds of shows. Classroom of the elite season 2 was decent, black summoner was watchable but just barely, and medical isekai was fine.
Lycoris I have more to say about because it in some ways paralleled the themes of edgerunners that just aired and really helps illustrate why I like edgerunners so much, because lycoris did similar things the normal anime way that is kinda crap.
The naivety of pacifism in a combat role is once again shown as correct which is nonsense. I'd love to see main girl talk to the families of the cleaners that got murdered by the villain after he escaped because she wouldn't kill him. Spoilers for edgerunners and lycoris ahead. In fact, dozens of people die because of her not using live rounds but the show never addresses it and makes it look like she is in the right and it pisses me off because of how often anime does this. Takina, the voice of reason, willing to actually kill when necessary is portrayed as someone who just can't accept the inevitable loss of a friend.
Her acceptance of death was not setup well like david's was in edgerunners. She had ways out. Good ways out even. In edgerunners, david is pretty much fucked right from episode one. The moment he uses the sandevistan at school, his life is over, but if he didn't he'd probably have died regardless, and theres just nothing he could have done. When he does finally push himself over the edge and rebecca accepts that he's going to die and chooses to go with him and help him out consigning herself to sharing in his fate, it works so well. It's how a tragic situation is supposed to feel.
Shit like the situation they setup in lycoris is not how it's supposed to feel. I shouldn't want to yell at the characters for being dumb as hell and not taking the obvious correct choices to get a better outcome and then by chance things work out for the heroes and they don't even have to live with the consequences of their shit choices.
It's not like the show was all bad though. Lycoris has good animation and action and the characters are generally enjoyable to watch outside of key moments and the main characters pacifism. I do hope it gets another season and theres still plenty unresolved and it performed decently so I think theres a solid shot.
Almost 200 hours later, I've done pretty much everything Xenoblade 3 has to offer: All side quests, every map fully explored, every class maxed out, every gem crafted, all superbosses killed at their max levels (I actually got the initial kills on them with 5-man teams because I was levelling Noah's non-attacker classes, which was nifty), every Soul hacker ability unlocked... The only thing left would be to upgrade all the Soul Hacker abilities, but that's a significant grind and I've upgraded all the ones I care about, so I'm content to leave that unfinished.
Despite spending 200 hours on it, I want more. I'm not about to suggest that the game doesn't have enough content, but I'm genuinely sad that there aren't more side quests because they were just all so good and I want to spend more time with this party and this world. I'll definitely be picking up the DLC, possibly as soon as Wave 2 drops next month. Time will tell whether it remains my favourite in the series once more time has passed, but I have absolutely loved this game through and through. Easy 10/10.
The problem now is that I've been playing Xenoblade in some form or other pretty much continuously since April (DE+FC, then 2+Torna, then 3). I'm not really sure what to do with myself now that I've run out of Xenoblade, other than maybe replaying X >.>
Revelation34 posted...
Guess there's no point in even going for the crystals since they just don't fucking drop. I can't beat Digalus because every attack topples and Gonzalez does not drop the topple resist crystals. I'm assuming Digalus does not drop the debuff resist either at this rate.
If you don't have topple resist, you can farm regular Sauros for their crystals instead of Digalus. Just save whenever a silver or gold chest drops (give everyone the silver chest skill to boost the chances) and reload the save if the chest doesn't have the crystal you want in it. The chest will still be there with rerolled loot and the enemy will respawn so you can kill them again. It shouldn't take too long to get the crystals you need that way.
Any Gogol on the Bionis' Leg can drop topple resist crystals, if Gonzalez isn't cooperating. You can also get them from the higher-level Bunniys in Tephra Cave (Falsel) or Gigas Telethia in the Bionis Interior. The same save scumming strategy will work for them as well, though personally I found they dropped often enough just playing through those regions normally that I didn't need to go out of my way to farm them.
Revelation34 posted...
Do you absolutely need 100% gems or is 99% good enough? Crafting is bullshit.
100% debuff resist is strongly advised for the hardest superboss to deal with his Instant Death spike (since the difference between a 1% chance to die when you attack him and a 0% chance is pretty significant), but otherwise you can generally make do with sub-perfect ones if you don't want to really commit to optimizing everything. That said, hitting Mega Heat gives you two copies of a perfect gem, so save scumming as needed to hit 300% is generally going to be faster than accepting ~280% and farming twice as many crystals.
My usual strategy is to use Seven as the Shooter and Riki as the Engineer to separate crystals into cylinders (you get a boost to the cylinder gauge and the highest chance of green flame, to minimize the risk of increasing the target values past 100%), then Riki as Shooter and Reyn as Engineer to craft the gem itself from two pure cylinders. The Seven+Riki pairing is also good to increase values of pure cylinders that are too low to be useful, if you're careful about it. Riki's ability to shoot twice is insanely strong, to the point where I can routinely get Mega Heat with hum and Reyn regardless of how low my total is to start (with maxed affinity). If you've got crystals with particularly high starting values that are proving hard to separate, use either Riki and Melia or Riki and Seven (I forget whose blue flame chance is highest) on the raw crystal and there's a decent chance you'll break 300% on all of the attributes you pick, though it's less reliable than Riki+Reyn. Either way, save scumming is your friend here.
Xenoblade 3 spoilers YoukaiSlayer posted...
That's not you though. It's not functionally identical to surviving. Your consciousness turned off and never turned back on again. You died. Same as the teleporter example you mentioned when you brought it up originally. The easy proof of this is what happens if it makes that exact copy and you don't die? Is it that copy you? No, obviously not. You don't suddenly exist in two places as a dual being or something.
It's mentioned that origin also stores souls, which is the missing piece in the whole question of destruction and rebirth. Your soul is you, so if your soul is still present, you're still present. What happens if a soul is duplicated? That'd be weird, but that's also outside the realm of possibility here because it's the energy from the destruction of the original that's used to create the copy. By definition, a copy won't be created without first destroying the original. It stands to reason that, if it didn't work like this, it wouldn't be able to transfer the soul to the new body by virtue of souls being impossible to duplicate.
Again, though, the alternative is oblivion without replacement. Not exactly an improvement.
This video does a pretty decent job of diving into the ending and explaining some of the more ambiguous elements, including some of what you've taken issue with. I don't necessarily agree with all of the speculation, like the idea that the world is so absolutely deterministic that everyone in the City represents people that will be born in either world as life goes on post-Origin, but it does explain how the ending doesn't actually mean that all of our time on Aionios was wasted and erased, even without resorting to more nebulous explanations of the benefit we had on the collective unconscious. It's worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXQ7X7UMVMo
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The soul IS duplicated in the game. We have 2 mio's and 2 noah's at the same time. The mud puppets contain duplicated souls of the originals which is why they have motes during the offseeing.
That video is way too long to watch for something I'm fairly certain won't convince me for a game I've already put behind me. It will continue to live on in my memory as the worst ending of anything of all time. Something that previously xenoblade 2 had been in contention for.
Yeah I already finished. I figured out too late that I was doing it wrong. Forgot about cylinders. I got all my 100% before they from just luck and save scumming.
On a different note getting the final revive achievement is impossible since the fucking monsters only target the player character and nobody else. I set everybody to low level yet can't get the assholes to die.
The soul IS duplicated in the game. We have 2 mio's and 2 noah's at the same time.
That's more a matter of splitting the soul, given that the playable Noah and Mio were incarnated from N and M's regrets. They aren't copies of the same entity, they're different parts of it.
YoukaiSlayer posted...
The mud puppets contain duplicated souls of the originals which is why they have motes during the offseeing.
I really wish they'd delved into that a bit more, actually. Those definitely were not duplicated souls, since they were simplified versions of the people they were imitating infused with barebones memories and personalities to get them to behave how Joran wanted, but having their corpses behave like regular husks did seem to be leading up to a conclusion along the lines of "all of us are just mud infused with memories and Joran's version of it was just less sophisticated than what the queens can do." They didn't go any further than that, though, and given that there are other things that come up later to suggest Aionios' inhabitants are more biologically complex than that (medicine, reproduction), I don't think it was actually so straightforward.
Most simply, I'd just think of the whole thing like going to sleep: When you fall asleep, you lose consciousness. When you wake up, you regain consciousness. From the perspective of the waking you, though, there's no difference between regaining that same consciousness and having your original consciousness destroyed and replaced with a new one that still had access to all your memories. Your understanding of your life before you fell asleep is based entirely on memories and inferences from the world you can observe around you. That doesn't rely on any sort of continuity of consciousness, but that's no reason to be afraid of going to sleep. The fear that gave birth to Moebius wasn't a fear of going to sleep, it was a fear of Origin failing and not being able to wake up afterwards.
YoukaiSlayer posted...
That video is way too long to watch for something I'm fairly certain won't convince me for a game I've already put behind me. It will continue to live on in my memory as the worst ending of anything of all time.
Given that your dislike of it is based on not understanding it, I would think it would make more sense to improve your understanding so you can enjoy it more, rather than insisting on hating it forever. Frankly, the impression I'm getting is that you're upset that the game made you sad and are grasping at whatever nitpicky plotholes you think you can find to justify hating it instead of just accepting the sadness for what it is, and that's not a particularly reasonable way to approach things.
Xenoblade 2: YoukaiSlayer posted...
Something that previously xenoblade 2 had been in contention for.
I'm similarly getting the impression that you didn't really pay attention to 2's ending if you felt that way about it. Pyra's sacrifice very much did not come out of nowhere. There's at least one conversation in the World Tree that talks about what would happen if the structure failed somehow (I think it might have been a heart-to-heart), and that speculation is both entirely consistent with physics and exactly what starts to happen once the Conduit is no longer providing the power it needs to stay standing. Pyra staying behind to destroy as much of the Tree as possible is really the only way to stop it from destroying Alrest, given how little time there was to come up with a countermeasure and what everyone present was capable of. It's unhappy, certainly, especially on the heels of a victory that was already kind of bittersweet because we got to see just how broken and pitiable Malos was in the end, but it's completely consistent with everything that has happened and there's really no other way out of it.
If anything, the worst part about the ending is re-summoning Pyra and Mythra immediately afterwards for the sake of shoehorning a happy ending in, but you seem to feel that's what salvaged it. Immediately bringing them back is what turned the whole thing into pointless, emotion-appealing filler, not the sacrifice itself.
Revelation34 posted...
Yeah I already finished. I figured out too late that I was doing it wrong. Forgot about cylinders. I got all my 100% before they from just luck and save scumming.
That sounds pretty miserable. At least you know what you're doing for any future gem farming efforts, though.
Revelation34 posted...
On a different note getting the final revive achievement is impossible since the fucking monsters only target the player character and nobody else. I set everybody to low level yet can't get the assholes to die.
I've never even tried to fill out the achievement list. The interesting ones like finishing Colony 6 and finding all the Heart to Hearts are fine, but some of the higher-level "do this combat-related thing a bunch of times" ones are just way too grindy and not enough fun to be worthwhile. Revives in particular are a real pain because you have to deliberately play poorly and there's really no good way to grind it more efficiently, as you're finding. I would guess your best bet would be to find an enemy with an AoE attack and force your underlevelled party members to get hit by it, but even then you've still got to generate enough party gauge to revive them and it's hard to find the balance between finding something high-level enough to survive your main character autoattacking and low-level enough for your main character to tank consistently. Probably possible, but I was happy to skip it.
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week like 6 of no PC, ssd should be arriving in the next few days and I will finally be whole again
finished pharmacy isekai, felt really sudden. in the manga/LN, didn't the main character contract the plague? I was full expecting another episode showing how his thorough preparations paid off while he gambled with a 50% chance of dying, but they just resolve everything in like 5 minutes and end it. gonna have to go reread that part because I thought it was a pretty good part as the first time the MC really loses agency
also xenoblade 3 still best game of all time that isn't a VN, I've gotten to the superboss and have farmed up a few level ten gems so far. still so fucking much to do, the number of side quests seem like they keep increasing
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I figured each colony's side quests would be pretty much done after the corresponding hero's ascension quest, but boy was I wrong. There's just so much and it's all so good except Armu rearing and I just want more.
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I understand plenty, I just disagree with it. And yes, even if there were zero plotholes, I'd still be pissed with a sad ending to a trilogy of games. The story is basically on the level of "it was all just a dream". All it's missing is an amnesiac protagonist to hit all the worst writing tropes.
Additionally, if I play the game and watch everything and pay attention and still didn't understand a mass marketed AAA game, the game fucked up it's storytelling. I shouldn't need 45 minute breakdowns to understand the story and if you look at other peoples impressions of the story, a lot of people reached very different conclusions on what physically happened. The information was conveyed poorly. The entire last fight section was atrocious interrupting the fight every 2 seconds with a cutscene and magical teleporting in allies and deus ex machina left and right.
Why make the world the way it was? Where it all had to be deleted and the future of the concluded trilogy left uncertain? At best it's a story that didn't need to be told hamfisting an inconsistent message about acceptance while fighting the status quo.