Poll of the Day > Thoughts on a certain Twitch policy...

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Im not sure if they still do this, but Twitch use to suspend/ban people for crimes caught on their twitch. So, they suspended a user for being mugged while in twitch, and another guy who got carjacked while streaming And another guy had people come into his house, where one was beating him with brass knuckles. I dont know if he was banned or suspended, though I believe the policy was that the channel owner was responsible for anything shown on their stream Though, I think exceptions should be made in those cases What are you thoughts on it?

Twitch is a family platform, even though they are okay either half naked women, showing crimes, so violent crimes, is triggering to some. People watching someone chill around a city most likely don't want to see someone mugged at gun point. Or someone playing a game and get beaten bloody. Yeah it's not their fault, but it's still something most people don't want to see.

hypnox posted...

Twitch is a family platform, even though they are okay either half naked women, showing crimes, so violent crimes, is triggering to some. People watching someone chill around a city most likely don't want to see someone mugged at gun point. Or someone playing a game and get beaten bloody. Yeah it's not their fault, but it's still something most people don't want to see.

Sure. But dont ban or suspend them. Take the video down from public view, and give it to the cops. But dont ban the owner for it Thats the main problem. If they stopped the stream and took the video from public view, that should be enough. Why ban the player for getting mugged. Like the one guy posted that he also got banned from twitch. It was just adding insult to injury

hypnox posted...

Twitch is a family platform, even though they are okay either half naked women, showing crimes, so violent crimes, is triggering to some. People watching someone chill around a city most likely don't want to see someone mugged at gun point. Or someone playing a game and get beaten bloody. Yeah it's not their fault, but it's still something most people don't want to see.

But they are punishing the people for getting crimes commited on them, it's not like they planned to get mugged or assaulted and are responsible for random acts of violence.

Cruddy_horse posted...

But they are punishing the people for getting crimes commited on them, it's not like they planned to get mugged or assaulted and are responsible for random acts of violence.

Exactly. Most people arent going out streaming so they can get hurt and have their things taken from them

They are 100% responsible for anything that their camera captures. They agreed to the terms. If they don't like it, live broadcast on another platform.

hypnox posted...

They are 100% responsible for anything that their camera captures. They agreed to the terms. If they don't like it, live broadcast on another platform.

I mean, I think some of them do Since they got banned and stuff Probably better since other places probably arent as shitty with that. That said, I think they should only be responsible for certain things. Things like mugging and carjacking arent things they are trying to show. Nudity in a game or show? Totally their fault. Getting carjacked or mugged live? Not at all their fault And again, maybe twitch should be a decent company who understands that But it makes sense since I heard the staff is all shitty and toxic, anyway

hypnox posted...

They are 100% responsible for anything that their camera captures. They agreed to the terms. If they don't like it, live broadcast on another platform.

"What are your thoughts on this policy that Twitch has?"
"Twitch has this policy."

I mean if they get killed on camera it doesn't really matter anymore does it?

Other lesser crimes, they should just be like, "Yo, if you gonna rob me, let me turn off the camera first so I don't get banned, or kill me, then I don't care".

Robber be like "Sheeeeeet, this mf don't care, i'm out!!"

No more crime!!

This is up there with suspending a kid who got his ass kicked at school, for being "involved in a fight"

Zareth posted...

This is up there with suspending a kid who got his ass kicked at school, for being "involved in a fight"

Yeah. That was always shitty. Especially if the kid who got beat up never wanted the fight, and tried to get away, but couldnt

iirc theyve made this policy clearer since then, and theyll simply remove the content from view

IRL streamers who stream in public are a growing category on twitch so they kind of needed more clarity on that issue

I'm fine with it being so harsh because the streamer hustle is vicious and people will do anything to get ahead. In fact, I'm pretty sure they set such a hard rule in the first place because when IRL streams started to become a big thing people were streaming all sorts of wild stuff Twitch doesn't want anywhere near their platform.

Kanatteru posted...

iirc theyve made this policy clearer since then, and theyll simply remove the content from view

IRL streamers who stream in public are a growing category on twitch so they kind of needed more clarity on that issue

Yeah. The YouTubers who mentioned it (who also streams on twitch) said that he thinks the policy has been changed now. But mentioned that it use to be like that

funkyfritter posted...

I'm fine with it being so harsh because the streamer hustle is vicious and people will do anything to get ahead. In fact, I'm pretty sure they set such a hard rule in the first place because when IRL streams started to become a big thing people were streaming all sorts of wild stuff Twitch doesn't want anywhere near their platform.

The possibility of people faking it was mentioned, but some of it definitely seemed real Like with injuries and stuff The one who got beat up with brass knuckles doesnt even stream anymore, for example I think, if anything, they should investigate if they want. Making the rules harsh and punishing victims for being victims just seems kind of wrong, though

I can get wanting to prevent people from faking or otherwise seeking out shocking crimes for attracting attention, since that's just the nature of the streaming industry (for better or worse), but I feel like automatically banning people for being the victims of (apparent) crimes isn't the way to solve that. I would think the best approach would be to suspend them until they can show the police report, which would be pretty easy and would verify that the crime was legitimate. Faked crimes, of course, should result in a ban. That wouldn't necessarily weed out the "looking for trouble" angle, but that's one you can identify by looking at longer-term behaviour patterns and banning accordingly, given that I expect their streams would indicate that they were getting into those situations somewhat voluntarily.

Of course, that would require actual effort on Twitch's part and not just an algorithm that does all the work for free, so they probably don't like that idea.

Zareth posted...

This is up there with suspending a kid who got his ass kicked at school, for being "involved in a fight"

Well, like most things in life, context is key. Did the kid get jumped because he was being an provocative abusive shit? Yes? Then fair, next. Was he getting bullied through no fault of his own? Then yeah, that's unfair and he shouldn't be punished because other people are assholes.

The problem is, actually disentangling what the context IS is hard when you're dealing with a bunch of kids, and the only potential witnesses are also kids (who are shitty in general and very apt to lie) or bitter, tenured teachers (who probably don't care enough to pay attention). So it's way easier for administrators to just knee-jerk toss everyone and call it a day as opposed to actually figuring out what really happened.

In Twitch's case, the problem is this:

adjl posted...

Of course, that would require actual effort on Twitch's part and not just an algorithm that does all the work for free, so they probably don't like that idea.

On some level, it becomes almost impossible to actually have human oversight on every facet of content, because of the sheer amount of content being produced on a daily basis. YouTube uploads more content by minute per day than any given human could watch in their entire lifetime. Twitch probably isn't much better - there are fewer content producers there, but most of them stream far more regularly and for longer than any YouTuber uploads (I've heard estimates that on average it's something like 2.5 million hours of content per day - and still growing).

To be even remotely effective, both YouTube and Twitch would probably have to hire thousands of overseers whose sole job is to try and watch content and mediate disputes fairly, and it still wouldn't be enough. Yes, they lean into just relying on the various algorithms because it's easy and cheap, but it's also one of the few viable ways to handle that much data without bloating operating costs to the point where it isn't worth running the service in the first place.

It's far more profitable to just unfairly punish (or ban) the occasional innocent content producer and shrug at the collateral damage then it is to come up with an actual fair, rational, humancentric system.

And let's be honest, it's not like having humans oversee moderations is going to automatically result in a fairer system anyway. People here can't seem to shut the fuck up about how terrible and biased the mods are and how unfairly persecuted they are every time they borderline break the ToS (or blatantly break the ToS). It wouldn't necessarily be any different on YouTube or Twitch. You'd just have a situation where, instead of an uncaring computer program dismissing your appeals and upholding your ban you'd have humans doing it, and it would just piss people off more.