Board 8 > Anime & Manga Discussion Topic 285: From Romcom Heaven to Isekai Hell

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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 11:14:17 AM
#452:


New MHA....

Wow they actually did it.

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Bane_Of_Despair
08/07/22 12:10:23 PM
#453:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
New MHA....

Wow they actually did it.
I'd be surprised if it stuck and if he'll get revived/not actually dead but whew boy. Also I hadn't read in a few months so I caught up in time for this chapter, hell yea Tsukuyomi Ragnarok punch

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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 12:12:16 PM
#454:


They already had one fakeout for him, if they do it again after a chapter like that then that's just embarrasing from a writing standpoint. The days of DBZ were a long time ago, people have standards for stuff like this now lol.

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pjbasis
08/07/22 12:34:01 PM
#455:


DBZ had a mechanic for revival that was baked into the series since chapter 1. It's in the name of the fucking series! The slander must stop

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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 12:36:44 PM
#456:


Doesn't make it engaging writing just because it's explained, lol.

Listen, I love DBZ, I'll always love DBZ for the nostalgia. I can't say it's actually....like, good though.

This is made all the more clear to me with how much I don't give a damn about ANYTHING from Super onward, it doesn't manage to hold even the slightest iota of my interest.

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swordz9
08/07/22 12:40:46 PM
#457:


The best thing about Super is Vegetas continued character development. A shame he isnt the main character because hes way better than the one it actually has especially in regards to actually growing as a character
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pjbasis
08/07/22 12:49:40 PM
#458:


Dragon Ball is very good and people like Oda worship it for a reason!

But for modern fans to appreciate it for real, they need to read the manga. Everyone loves their nostalgic dub memories but they all say the same thing and thing DB is something that was never actually that good. I think it's because funimation actually ruined the vibe, It worked back then but it was for an audience that wasn't there from the real beginning.

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pjbasis
08/07/22 12:50:50 PM
#459:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
This is made all the more clear to me with how much I don't give a damn about ANYTHING from Super onward, it doesn't manage to hold even the slightest iota of my interest.

I agree with all this though. I think Super is basically what you get when you make something based on what fans feel like the series is supposed to be. Even though it's not really close.

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swordz9
08/07/22 12:51:32 PM
#460:


Ive seen a lot of DBZ fans shit on the Super manga too though. It feels like its generally disliked among English readers at least. Im always seeing it get blasted for being bad for one reason or another
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GANON1025
08/07/22 12:51:33 PM
#461:


What the hell, Dragonball is great.

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pjbasis
08/07/22 12:53:12 PM
#462:


Oh but anyways mha not buying it, it would be a lame death anyways

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SHINE_GET_64
08/07/22 12:57:57 PM
#463:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Listen, I love DBZ, I'll always love DBZ for the nostalgia. I can't say it's actually....like, good though.

now this is some bullshit right here

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pjbasis
08/07/22 12:58:25 PM
#464:


swordz9 posted...
Ive seen a lot of DBZ fans shit on the Super manga too though. It feels like its generally disliked among English readers at least. Im always seeing it get blasted for being bad for one reason or another

If this was responding to me I only meant the original DB/Z manga. Super is a completely different beast to me, as much as Boruto is to Naruto. (And super might be worse than boruto idk)

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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 1:00:39 PM
#465:


GANON1025 posted...
What the hell, Dragonball is great.

Dragonball proper still holds up I think!

Admitting DB is better than DBZ was a transitional period for me.

I do think Saiyan and Namek hold up other than the terrible pacing in Namek,. But Android through Buu is pretty awful as a full package other than a cool moment here or there (I was all in on Cell Saga > Frieza Saga as a kid, but rewatching it out the stomp on that pretty quick)

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pjbasis
08/07/22 1:02:27 PM
#466:


dbz is just marketing speak created by anime executives to get kids to watch the new anime series.

It's all just one og dragon ball. There is no sudden drop in quality when Raditz and Vegeta are introduced!

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GANON1025
08/07/22 1:03:02 PM
#467:


The Super manga has been bad recently -- specifically the Granolah/Gas Saga. Moro was pretty good.

Goes without saying the that the Super ANIME was great -- besides the movie recaps. Future Saga and ToP stand up with the best of DB/DBZ.

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pjbasis
08/07/22 1:05:39 PM
#468:


GANON1025 posted...
Future Saga and ToP stand up with the best of DB/DBZ.

*mash x to doubt*

Haven't actually seen it though so I GUESS I can't argue yet. Mostly just working off twitter impressions + I didn't care for gods and freeza movies. Jiren guy is really popular though, think that's the tournament arc.

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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 1:09:45 PM
#469:


GANON1025 posted...
Goes without saying the that the Super ANIME was great

Naw see I've never read the Super manga. I think super is super dumb exclusively from the anime.

There's a few factors. The character designs are just a joke. I will literally never take....the dumb buff bug man I already forgot the name of even though I watched it because of how little I care seriously. I wanna say....Jiren? He looks so stupid. Beerus is maybe the only good new character design in all of Super, and technically he's pre Super I think? I forget the branding on the movie.

But the actual plot is doing nothing for me either. I think I'm no longer willing to accept by new forms for any of the characters. It already went too embarrassingly far in DB proper after SSJ2 (cannot emphasize enough how terrible the Buu Saga is on the whole), and now all the blue and Instinct shit is just a joke. I want nothing to do with it.

And now in the manga there's a fucking goat or some shit.

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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 1:12:06 PM
#470:


OK yeah Jiren.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/8/AAeolZAADie0.png

This is just Toriyama giving up. Anyone who thinks this loser looks cool is out of their fucking mind. Might be the lamest looking villain I've ever seen in anything?

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swordz9
08/07/22 1:13:04 PM
#471:


Is Jiren really any dumber looking than the cabbages with limbs DBZ had? I dont even like Jiren myself. The biggest problem with him was poor writing instead of his design. DB has had weird looking characters even back when it was more of a gag manga. The biggest offense design wise is Cabba being a 50 pound looking weakling that would lose to a gust of wind
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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 1:14:32 PM
#472:


Cabba is the mini Vegeta looking dude right?

Also just horrendous character design. Everything about Super visually is just phoning it in.

But Jiren is the main tagonist of the arc. There's a difference between silly Saibamen and the guy who is supposed to be the face of the saga he's in.

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Bane_Of_Despair
08/07/22 1:14:41 PM
#473:


At least Hit looks cool

And yea Beerus is legit super fun, I'm a fan of him

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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 1:16:21 PM
#474:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
At least Hit looks cool

You know what, my bad, I completely forgot about Hit. Hit does look pretty cool.

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swordz9
08/07/22 1:17:06 PM
#475:


Well if you want to go main villain Frieza and Buu are fairly stupid looking too. Cell is the only legitimately cool looking villain DBZ had if you dont count Vegeta.
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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 1:19:18 PM
#476:


I think Fieza looks pretty rad in all his pre Super forms outside of his 3rd. Don't agree with him looking dumb at all! The Gold, just like SSJ Blue, is very stupid.

Regular Buu looks stupid on purpose and Super Buu looks cool. Kid Buu and the other clothing form Buus do look bad, though.

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GANON1025
08/07/22 1:19:45 PM
#477:


Frieza looks cool. Zamasu and Jiren look cool too!!

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GANON1025
08/07/22 1:21:58 PM
#478:


Super has had the following main arc villains:

Beerus
Golden Frieza
Hit
Zamasu/Goku Black
Jiren
Broly

they all look rad

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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 1:22:15 PM
#479:


Zamasu is just a recolored Supreme Kai and I don't even count him as a new design. And then he appropriately turns into a recolored Goku.


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swordz9
08/07/22 1:24:37 PM
#480:


Broly was a big win. Shame they arent bringing him more into the story. DB as a whole is a lot of wasted potential story/character interactions sadly. Theres a very limited fee they did do something for as a reference to past stuff, but a lot of stuff Id have loved to see was apparently not something the creators thought anyone would want to see much like how they think we just want to see Piccolo get clowned on constantly
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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 1:25:12 PM
#481:


Broly is just new clothes on an old character.

Beerus is indeed before Super, after looking into it.

I've already given my stance on the rest, I'm only going to give you Hit. And since Jiren is the same arc as Hit, and is obviously the min antagonist...

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GANON1025
08/07/22 1:26:58 PM
#482:


Hit appears before Jiren, in the Universe Tournament

Moro is also a unique looking villain, and Granolahs cool too imo, but thats manga stuff

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UshiromiyaEva
08/07/22 1:28:37 PM
#483:


GANON1025 posted...
Hit appears before Jiren, in the Universe Tournament

They're still both the Universe Tournament.


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GANON1025
08/07/22 1:31:26 PM
#484:


Oh yeah, theres Gas too hes pretty generic, but I do like the green lantern-esque ki construct weapons he fights with

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Strife2
08/07/22 6:32:04 PM
#485:


Went through a few different random shows looking for something to watch (Gosick, Tomodachi Game, Haganai, Assault Lily Bouquet, and whatever). Everything felt off for one reason or another. Finally hit on something called No Guns Life. I'm never going to say no to a pulpy noir crime show, no matter how weird. Even has a Deus Ex feel to it with all the crazy machine enhancement shit going on. I might like this, but who knows.

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UshiromiyaEva
08/08/22 10:09:57 AM
#486:


https://twitter.com/AIR_News01/status/1556623499866738688

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Shattered
08/08/22 10:16:38 AM
#487:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
I'd be surprised if it stuck and if he'll get revived/not actually dead but whew boy. Also I hadn't read in a few months so I caught up in time for this chapter, hell yea Tsukuyomi Ragnarok punch


EDIT: Should probably say this is MHA stuff since it's not clear when quoting a full spoiler post

I'm mixed about it. Like it probably should stick even if people don't like it because it's supposed to be high stakes. But it's gonna be jarring if they still try save Tomura, unless it's saving him via death. If he's waltzing around alive in the epilogue presumably whilst being friends with Deku, it wouldn't feel right if this sticks.
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_PandaMaster_
08/08/22 1:21:16 PM
#488:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/0/AAcXVCAADiq4.jpg

The throne of neverending embarrassment.

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swordz9
08/08/22 1:23:04 PM
#489:


The throne of not being the main character.
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MacArrowny
08/08/22 1:34:50 PM
#490:


"What do Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, and Buu have in common?"
"They're not the main character."

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pjbasis
08/08/22 3:12:02 PM
#491:


That's fucking badass

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GANON1025
08/08/22 3:15:40 PM
#492:


Is that a statue?

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SHINE_GET_64
08/09/22 2:19:31 AM
#493:


https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2022-08-09/one-piece-film-red-opens-at-no.1-with-2.25-billion-yen/.188504

A little over 3x better than Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero did back in June on its opening weekend

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Robazoid
08/09/22 3:14:58 AM
#494:


I finished Kakegurui Twin, a six episode prequel to Kakegurui following Mary. It ran into the problem lots of prequels do where nothing really mattered because I know where everyone will end up. Even ignoring that, though, I thought it was kind of meh. Mary is nowhere near as good of a character as Yumeko. We actually get to see into Mary's thoughts, for one, which never happened with Yumeko. That element of mystery, always wondering how much Yumeko knew at any given time, was a big part of why I enjoyed Kakegurui. Mary was a boring protagonist in comparison, and most of her thoughts just made her seem kind of pathetic. This mini-season also didn't tell a complete story, and as far as I know there isn't anything else announced. Since the original Kakegurui also still hasn't told a complete story, now we've got two incomplete stories that might never be finished. As much as I like Kakegurui, watching Twin felt like a mistake.

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SHINE_GET_64
08/09/22 6:59:59 AM
#495:


Based on pre-existing maps the islands everyone picked in 1056 are

Law - Fullalead Island
Luffy - Sphinx Island
Kid - Elbaf

I bet Luffy doubles down on an aemperor should get to go wherever he wants and ends up going to the same island as Kid anyway


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SHINE_GET_64
08/09/22 11:37:53 PM
#496:


https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2022-08-08/this-4-foot-tall-berserk-statue-can-be-yours-for-1500/.188463

Must resist

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pjbasis
08/09/22 11:41:51 PM
#497:


I hope oda says fuck the endgame, sphinx island arc time

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UshiromiyaEva
08/10/22 2:21:21 AM
#498:


One of the white whales.

https://twitter.com/trigger_inc/status/1557238458724515840

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SHINE_GET_64
08/10/22 7:29:20 AM
#499:


All Stone Ocean Blu-Rays are going to be out by May 2023

...so last chunk probably his December or January

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SHINE_GET_64
08/10/22 7:29:34 AM
#500:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/3/1/AAB6RfAADjFT.jpg

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