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Yeah, it was made clear that Saul put the thing together to get rid of the two dudes who might snitch on him but I kind of forgot about it during the episode too.

Episode was ok, problem was for me didn't advance the plot much if anything. Felt like a filler ep and didn't really add anything we knew already.

Compsognathus posted...

The robbery wasn't the scheme. The scheme was entangling Jeff into as many felonies as possible so that he couldn't rat Jimmy out.

who the fuck is Jeff. I really feel like Im missing something.

he went by jeffie this episode

SHRlKE posted...

who the fuck is Jeff. I really feel like Im missing something.

The cab driver.

I think there is one detail some people are overlooking that could make this more than a filler episode in the end. Gene not playing it safe and laying low anymore. I think that sad story he told the security guard about not having anyone or anyone that cares about him could possibly be the start of his undoing somehow.

XxKrazyChaosxX posted...

I think there is one detail some people are overlooking that could make this more than a filler episode in the end.

This episode resolved a plot point in the works since season 4... If you think it's a filler episode you lost the right to an opinion.

XxKrazyChaosxX posted...

I think that sad story he told the security guard about not having anyone or anyone that cares about him could possibly be the start of his undoing somehow.

i see it as him only confronting his emotions when trying to scam someone. you see it a few times throughout the show where you think he becomes emotional and then drops it when his target is gone.

Serious_Cat posted...

The cab driver.

yeah but where do we know him from whats the background?

VitalGetPrank posted...

This episode resolved a plot point in the works since season 4... If you think it's a filler episode you lost the right to an opinion.

I should have worded that part differently, but I don't think it was a filler episode. That was geared towards the people that have said that(not necessarily in this topic). I think most people thought Gene dealing with Jeff would go to the end of the show. But it got resolved with 3 episodes remaining. That's why I wanted to point out that I think this episode could also be the beginning of the end for Gene too.

SHRlKE posted...

yeah but where do we know him from whats the background?

He recognized who Gene was and Genes way of handling it was blackmailing him so he couldnt use that information against him. Thats all we need to know.

Ok I was not aware that the Jeff character had been in season 4 before this episode, makes more sense in how they set it up.

SHRlKE posted...

yeah but where do we know him from whats the background?

He was the guy in the mall at the beginning of a previous season who recognized that Gene was Saul Goodman, causing Saul to panic and call the vacuum guy, but then change his mind and decide to settle it himself. Also, I think it may confuse some people because the guy was recast with a different actor because the other actor from the previous season had scheduling conflicts

i doubt that this is a filler episode, this maybe a setup where jimmy somehow reunites with Kim but this heist would come back to bite jimmy's ass, i don't wanna assume things but i do hope i still get surprised with what happens next

oh and most of the previous seasons only has 10 episodes? the next one could be last??

Nukazie posted...

i doubt that this is a filler episode, this maybe a setup where jimmy somehow reunites with Kim but this heist would come back to bite jimmy's ass, i don't wanna assume things but i do hope i still get surprised with what happens next

oh and most of the previous seasons only has 10 episodes? the next one could be last??

This season is 13 episodes, so there are 3 left

Not sure how people think this is a filler episode.

i don't remember him taking the ring off

Smashingpmkns posted...

Not sure how people think this is a filler episode.

Because barely anything happens, it ignores the plot that came before it and reverts to the Status Quo.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

it ignores the plot that came before it

They've literally built to it since the very first scene of the series.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Because barely anything happens, it ignores the plot that came before it and reverts to the Status Quo.

It absolutely does not lol

Serious_Cat posted...

They've literally built to it since the very first scene of the series.

Exactly

And the build up was Gene being hapless, Jeff being in total control manipulating him, Gene having no idea who Jeff was or what he wanted. It was totally ambigious

And then as I said earlier:

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

The episode wasn't "bad" per se but it felt like it was written by different writers.

Suddenly Jimmy knows who the cab driver is, where he lives, his motivations, his mom's routine and feels confident f***ing him around.

I mean they skip all that but then spent literally 5 minutes showing him mapping out how many feet between each clothing rack. Because we can't assume he did that but we can assume he transformed into Mike and did background checks/stake outs of Cabby for 2 weeks.

And the "Dump a crate on their doorstep and hope they leave it overnight and then never make the connection of the massive suspicious crate that arrived around the time their inventory was massively wrong" seems like a really bad scheme for no reason.

And then the result of the episode is we're back at square 1 as if Cab guy never turned up.

Just felt like filler with tons of plot convience. Like they extended a Gene opening season scene to an entire episode.

I just wasn't feeling it. Made me feel like the show just needs to end, the steam has gone.

Now we're just back to where we were as if Jeff never turned up.

Even if his mom comes into play later, this episode in of itself was just filler. Just felt like what was meant to be Season 6's opening Gene scene extended awkwardly to fill a whole episode.

I liked this episode. The montages, low key stakes and "slipping jimmy" felt very much season 1. It also shows that he's accepted being Gene when he puts the shirt and tie away.

when i first saw the fat security guard, my first reaction was "dammit Jerry!!"

Not sure how you can think Gene is exactly the same character as he was at the beginning of this episode to who he is now at the end of the episode. There was so much progression of his character and that's literally what this show is about lol

Smashingpmkns posted...

Not sure how you can think Gene is exactly the same character as he was at the beginning of this episode to who he is now at the end of the episode. There was so much progression of his character and that's literally what this show is about lol

Not really

The show started with Gene haplessly reflecting on his life as Saul and then going back to Cinnabon

This episode ended with Gene haplessly reflecting on his life as Saul and then going back to Cinnabon

The only "character growth" was that Jeff went from being a mystery man to the biggest bitch since Nippy... All off camera... Solely so this single episode's plot could unfold and get us back to square 1.

I don't see how it's not filler.

By comparison The Fly episode of Breaking Bad had way more character growth and that's unquestionably filler and controversial.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Not really

The show started with Gene haplessly reflecting on his life as Saul and then going back to Cinnabon

This episode ended with Gene haplessly reflecting on his life as Saul and then going back to Cinnabon

The only "character growth" was that Jeff went from being a mystery man to the biggest bitch since Nippy... All off camera... Solely so this single episode's plot could unfold and get us back to square 1.

I don't see how it's not filler.

By comparison The Fly episode of Breaking Bad had way more character growth and that's unquestionably filler and controversial.

He literally hung up Saul at the end of the episode.

what i got from this episode is that regardless of which persona he adopts, he never lets go of his "Slippin' Jimmy" ways...

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Now we're just back to where we were as if Jeff never turned up.

Even if his mom comes into play later, this episode in of itself was just filler. Just felt like what was meant to be Season 6's opening Gene scene extended awkwardly to fill a whole episode.

Unless Jeff fucks up somehow, gets Gene involved (he knows the plan and the security guard could confirm the details), and puts Jimmy into panic mode.

And I cant imagine that everything woulda played out the way it did just to have one of the final episodes he a filler episode.

https://www.reddit.com/r/betterCallSaul/comments/w8ove6/_/

emblem-man posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/betterCallSaul/comments/w8ove6/_/

This is an excellent post

emblem-man posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/betterCallSaul/comments/w8ove6/_/

Fun read. Some people get so much more out of an episode than I ever would.

i liked it, but jimmy is not moon knight. he isn't sliding in and out of multiple personalities. to me, putting on the ring was his acceptance into gene's life what jimmy learned from marco...there are so many suckers in the world, that it's a sin not to take advantage of them. he overcame his legitimate fear of targeted revenge to revel in the joy of the scam. sure the scam had a purpose, but just like with howard, the joy of the scam soon became the true reason for its continuance. kim wasn't the only one who was having too much fun

What is Kim up to? What is she doing?

i just hope this whole scheme doesnt come back to bite him in his ass... lol

Southernfatman posted...

Always good to see Carol Burnett too even for a small role

Holy shit how did I not realize?!

Bestoffuture posted...

What is Kim up to? What is she doing?

Some people are still speculating that Carol Burnett is her mom

I really hope that's wrong

Doubt Carol Burnett is Kim's mom when she already played Jeff's mom last episode lol

How is everyone watching it besides TV?

Smashingpmkns posted...

Doubt Carol Burnett is Kim's mom when she already played Jeff's mom last episode lol

And they never say Jeff's Surname or Kim's moms name.

And the geography adds up. That's the theory.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

How is everyone watching it besides TV?

AMC+ like an idiot. I let the free trial run through and got charged so I decided to keep it for this. It's an awful service though and wouldn't recommend it. I think it streams at 8mbps or less so the dark scenes look incredibly bad.

I have other means but then I'd have to wait a day to watch it. And I can't wait a day lol

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

And they never say Jeff's Surname or Kim's moms name.

And the geography adds up. That's the theory.

There's absolutely no reason to connect these characters together narratively. Would be super lazy and very unlike the rest of the show. It's a bad theory.

Smashingpmkns posted...

There's absolutely no reason to connect these characters together narratively. Would be super lazy and very unlike the rest of the show. It's a bad theory.

I agree

But a lot of Season 6 has been super lazy so I'm worried

Definitely hasn't been lazy but I don't think there's any convincing you otherwise

If you say so

Mike has evey single possible lead tapped incase Lalo tries to make contact including round the clock following of Kim and Saul..... But doesn't coniser Verner's wife... Literally Lalo's only lead.

Seasons of build up between Nacho/Saul and Nacho/Lalo has no payoff.

Gus' entire plan for how to get rid of Nacho was insane and unclear why they didn't just shoot him at the compound.

Lalo and Gus just ends with Gus anticlimatically shooting Lalo.

Saul off camera finds out who Jeff is, where he lives, his motivation, his moms routine and how to manipulate him moments after being at Jeff's mercy and unable to read him.

There's more too if I stop to think about it

There's some good episodes and some great scenes but a lot of Season 6 has just been "Oh crap we wrote ourselves into a corner, oh well let's just do stuff and get on with it." you can tell they had no long term plans with the story they set out.

That's why "And then it turns out she's Kim's mom too" as much as it sucks would not be out of place right now.

Verner's wife would have absolutely no way of leading Lalo to Gus' lab alone, there was no reason to have someone watching her. And to think a man who is thought dead will travel across the world to get to Verner's wife, find a clue that leads him to one of the construction workers, etc. is implausible. Verner and his wife are so far out of Gus and Mike's mind, while they were the only lead Lalo knew about because that's literally all he knew.

The end of Nacho's story didn't need Lalo or Saul. His whole arc was about Hector. There's nothing that needed to be tied up between Nacho and Saul/Lalo. Plus Lalo is thought dead at this point.

Gus used Nacho as a scapegoat with the Salamancas. That's pretty clear. Why would he kill him? Lol

The Lalo death was good. Explained the hidden gun, showed Gus still got that dog in him, and Lalo's character was already on borrowed time.

There's nothing that would have been gained narratively by showing Gene finding out where Jeff lives. Would have been a waste of screentime. Not everything has to be shown. We can assume what happened and it wouldn't have been worth wasting time on it. This is a "CinemaSins" type of criticism imo.

I liked this episode, I think a lot of good stuff has already been pointed out in this topic, and I agree with a lot of that Reddit post.

One thing Im less sure about, though, is the idea that Gene is rejecting the Saul persona at the end of the episode when he hangs up the shit and tie. First, because Saul Goodman isnt just the name Jimmy picked to practice law under, its literally the persona he plays as a young Jimmy when hes running his scams. Now that hes scratched that itch again I have a feeling hes going to have a hard time letting go. And the fact that the camera stays on the shirt and tie as Gene walks away suggests, to me, that Gene is still thinking about them.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Lalo and Gus just ends with Gus anticlimatically shooting Lalo.

I dont think youd be in the majority with that opinion

Smashingpmkns posted...

would have absolutely no way of leading Lalo to Gus' lab alone, there was no reason to have someone watching her. And to think a man who is thought dead will travel across the world to get to Verner's wife, find a clue that leads him to one of the construction workers, etc. is implausible. Ve

I like how your defense of the writing being lazy is to claim it us implausible

And the idea that there is no chance Lalo will follow literally the only lead he has is crazy. All Lalo has done since he turned up is follow leads

Smashingpmkns posted...

There's nothing that would have been gained narratively by showing Gene finding out where Jeff lives. Would have been a waste of screentime. Not everything has to be shown. We can assume what happened and it wouldn't have been worth wasting time on it. This is a "CinemaSins" type of criticism imo.

Completely 180ing the entire situation overnight due to magic isn't lazy because "not everything has to be shown" but we need 5 minutes of Saul measuring distance between racks and looking up football facts?

No if you end a scene with someone pointing a gun at someone else and then when you cut back they've swapped who has the gun, that's lazy writing

Anyone who thinks Jeff isn't going to try this again without Jimmy's guidance and get caught just..hasn't been paying attention I guess.

LincolnDuncan posted...

Anyone who thinks Jeff isn't going to try this again without Jimmy's guidance and get caught just..hasn't been paying attention I guess.

too cliche. It's a red herring

Promo pics for the next ep have Jeff in it so I dunno. I wonder what his connection to Albuquerque is. His mom did say he got into trouble there before he moved back home.