Current Events > I supported 2nd Ammendment people for years.

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But y'all aren't even willing to vote for people who will pass laws to protect us from your toys. So fuck it, ban guns.

In my opinion, if you aren't voting for strict gun control laws, you aren't a responsible gun owner.

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I wouldn't jump all the way to "ban guns", but there definitely needs to be more done to keep guns out of the hands of people who can't be trusted with them. More thorough background checks, longer waiting periods, requiring proof of having a safe storage space (like a safe with a lock) to keep kids from grabbing your guns, closing gun show loopholes that let people acquire guns without them being properly registered, stuff like that. Plus, obviously putting people and resources in place to enforce these things is just as important as putting the laws into effect.

If you're a safe, sane, responsible, law-abiding citizen, you should have no problem with any of these because your ability to own a gun won't be affected at all. And if you do have a problem with these solutions, then you just might be the type of person who probably shouldn't be trusted with a gun.

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This very line of thinking was deemed unconstitutional in NY in regards to conceal carry.

Malcrasternus posted...

was deemed unconstitutional

By who? An illegitimate supreme court?

Doom_Art posted...

By who? An illegitimate supreme court?

Apparently.

Accolon posted...

But y'all aren't even willing to vote for people who will pass laws to protect us from your toys. So f*** it, ban guns.

My firearms are not toys, they're a means to protect my home. Why would I vote for people who enact anti-gun legislation? There are already a LOT of gun laws, most of which aren't even being enforced. These politicians tend to have a poor understanding of current gun laws, or guns in general, and enact silly laws like a ban on cosmetic features. Also, guns aren't going to be banned just because you want them to.

Pepys_Monster posted...

My firearms are not toys, they're a means to protect my home. Why would I vote for people who enact anti-gun legislation? There are already a LOT of gun laws, most of which aren't even being enforced. These politicians tend to have a poor understanding of current gun laws, or guns in general, and enact silly laws like a ban on cosmetic features. Also, guns aren't going to be banned just because you want them to.

You need more than one gun to protect your home? Fuck outa here

Accolon posted...

You need more than one gun to protect your home? Fuck outa here

Two is one and one is none.

Pepys_Monster posted...

Also, guns aren't going to be banned just because you want them to.

Actually, tomorrow in a surprise twist they're going to have a last minute vote on the current assault weapons ban proposal.

So, aside from being fought in the courts, we might have another Assault Weapons Ban. Even though the first one was shown as making no real difference on overall violence, but I digress.

DuranOfForcena posted...

the 2nd amendment should be abolished. people shouldn't have an innate right to own guns, and only be disqualified from owning them in certain circumstances. instead, they should have to apply to be qualified to be allowed to own a gun, and it should be a very strict and lengthy process, where you have to prove that you have a reasonable, justifiable reason for owning a gun. and no, "i want to own guns so i can pretend i'm going to someday live out my Rambo Commando power fantasy of being a guerrilla soldier against a hypothetical tyrannical government that totally wouldn't be able to dust me with a drone strike i would never see coming no matter much camo paint i smeared on my face and how high up in trees i hid" is not a valid reason. no valid reason means you don't get to own one.

I don't think it needs to go this far. I think a person owning a gun to be able to protect their home with it is fine, assuming that they can prove that they can be trusted with one by all of the stuff I mentioned before. If they pass the thorough background check, wait the waiting period, and provide proof of where they'll be safely storing the gun, that's enough for me. We just need to expand those measures to keep dangerous and unsafe people from getting guns and actually work harder to enforce those measures.

Another part of this situation is the FBI and other similar organizations working harder at finding and acting on red flags. If someone is posting or spreading hate speech online, has a spouse or other family member call the cops about a domestic dispute, gets arrested for some sort of violent crime, or something like that, that's a red flag that they shouldn't have a gun and they should have their guns confiscated. Obviously some of these things might come up in the background check when they try to get a gun in the first place, but they still need to be checked on periodically to make sure.

Accolon posted...

In my opinion, if you aren't voting for strict gun control laws, you aren't a responsible gun owner.

100%. Realistically we're in too deep to get rid of them at this point. At least, not without a super long drawn out plan. And I understand their use. It's just that usually the wrong people own the most.

Its the perfect Chinese finger trap...

'I have guns so if you try to take stuff from me, I'll shoot you'
'I wanna take your guns away from you, because you'll shoot someone'

The trick is to come together.

Should make them more expensive and heavier too

more gun laws never does anything but further pacify the general population and further gives those who shouldnt have more power, more power anyway. especially now with easy access to the internet.

want to fix the issue? address why someone wants to pick up a gun and use it. youre always going to have crazies who will do something for no reason, but the VAST majority of gun violence is telegraphed heavily and can be solved in a myriad of ways.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I understand their use. It's just that usually the wrong people own the most.

That's exactly what I've been saying. The problem isn't the guns themselves, it's how easily dangerous people can get their hands on them.

Or we could, you know, hold law enforcement agencies accountable for enforcing the 200+ gun laws we already have on the books. Firearms are ridiculously regulated, but laws don't amount to squat when theyre not enforced.

Dark_Spiret posted...

more gun laws never does anything but further pacify the general population and further gives those who shouldnt have more power, more power anyway. especially now with easy access to the internet.

want to fix the issue? address why someone wants to pick up a gun and use it. youre always going to have crazies who will do something for no reason, but the VAST majority of gun violence is telegraphed heavily and can be solved in a myriad of ways.

except for yknow literally every other developed country on earth has fewer guns and less gun violence but okay

Lost_All_Senses posted...

100%. Realistically we're in too deep to get rid of them at this point. At least, not without a super long drawn out plan. And I understand their use. It's just that usually the wrong people own the most.

Most of the people I know who own guns have never done anything to anyone with them.

In fact the vast, vast majority. And all of the people I personally know that have hurt people with guns already shouldn't had been able to have them because they were felons or drug addicts/dealers.

yemmy posted...

And all of the people I personally know that have hurt people with guns already shouldn't had been able to have them because they were felons or drug addicts/dealers.

How do these guns originally get into the hands of people with a history of violent crime?

Lost_All_Senses posted...

How do these guns originally get into the hands of people with a history of violent crime?

Usually stolen or bought of the streets from someone who did.

How does that make what you said any less wrong? Clarify what you mean by "usually the wrong people own the most".

make guns 10k plus each make bullets 1k per box and ban making your own

CADE_FOSTER posted...

make guns 10k plus each make bullets 1k per box and ban making your own

Yeah make it to where only rich people can afford guns.

yemmy posted...

Yeah make it to where only rich people can afford guns.

Oh no people can't buy objects explicitly designed solely for killing things

That would just be the absolute worst!

DarthAragorn posted...

Oh no people can't buy objects explicitly designed solely for killing things

That would just be the absolute worst!

"Police are only around to protect the interests of billionaires!"

"Billionaires and police should be the only people allowed to protect themselves with guns!"

yemmy posted...

"Police are only around to protect the interests of billionaires!"

"Billionaires and police should be the only people allowed to protect themselves with guns!"

the issue here is the protection of billionaires, not limiting the possession of guns to just the police

DarthAragorn posted...

Oh no people can't buy objects explicitly designed solely for killing things

That would just be the absolute worst!

You should go tell every person at every shooting range that their guns are explicitly designed SOLELY for killing things.

Pepys_Monster posted...

You should go tell every person at every shooting range that their guns are explicitly designed SOLELY for killing things.

Why do you think guns were invented? Why do you think they insist on using real guns and not paintballs or some shit

Kloe_Rinz posted...

the issue here is the protection of billionaires, not limiting the possession of guns to just the police

So if the cops are only protecting billionaires with their guns then why do people only want billionaires to be able to afford said guns?

yemmy posted...

So if the cops are only protecting billionaires with their guns then why do people only want billionaires to be able to afford said guns?

What?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Why do you think guns were invented? Why do you think they insist on using real guns and not paintballs or some shit

Paintball, airsoft pellets, lead pellets, and BBs behave very differently from each other and real bullets.

Paintball tend to have lower velocity while being a bit heavy, so they have more drop over their range, a shorter effective range, and will often break apart on hitting anything, even things like a bug flying around

Airsoft are more affected by air resistance, and tend to deflect wildly after a short distance. I have personally had airsoft pellets deflect upwards after about 80 feet, then the very next shot had one fly straight for 100 feet then make a 45 degree right turn, then the third shot it went wildly left almost right out of the barrel. Admittedly that was firing cheap pellets, but even the better ones will wildly deflect at long enough range. Even at point blank range with one, you might get a welt if you are hit

BBs tend to have fairly close to a real bullet trajectory, but are still inaccurate at range due to being smoothbore. But they also tend to be much lower power. They are also fairly dangerous depending on the actual rifle/pistol.

Lead pellet air rifles can be used to hunt small game like squirrels at very short ranges, but they are absolute dogshit at range. They can be rifled, so they tend to be more accurate across their range, but you aren't going to be doing much more than scaring a squirrel at anything beyond point blank range.