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Obellisk posted...

I mean if we all choose no lynch we are essentially saying this game should be a no contest game, should end and we should all pretend it didn't exist.

Is that what we want instead of giving either faction the satisfaction?

My, you seem rather antsy about getting so far into the game only for the possibility of a No Contest to happen...

This game has been the epitome of people "taking their ball and going home" really. Kinda unfortunate, but that's just how it is. There is no way am I letting scum having the satisfaction of winning when the odds are very much in their favor now. Not only did they have the advantage of knowing the setup beforehand, but denying us a nightkill has given us a 25% of correctly voting for scum instead of a 33% chance that we would normally have in LyLo.

Again, if scum wants to play lame, so can we.

masterplum posted...

Where are you going with this?

No where really I guess. I just would find it very odd that either of you no killed Kirby when I was pretty much a lock to be insta lynched in a final 3 with both of you.

Obellisk posted...

I mean if we all choose no lynch we are essentially saying this game should be a no contest game, should end and we should all pretend it didn't exist.

Is that what we want instead of giving either faction the satisfaction?

No. If we choose to no lynch and cause a stalemate we are saying scum sucks so much with the extra advantages they had that they still couldn't win against town.

Kirby321 posted...

My, you seem rather antsy about getting so far into the game only for the possibility of a No Contest to happen...

This game has been the epitome of people "taking their ball and going home" really. Kinda unfortunate, but that's just how it is. There is no way am I letting scum having the satisfaction of winning when the odds are very much in their favor now. Not only did they have the advantage of knowing the setup beforehand, but denying us a nightkill has given us a 25% of correctly voting for scum instead of a 33% chance that we would normally have in LyLo.

Again, if scum wants to play lame, so can we.

So here is my concern

If I were IGCD, I think going for a tie is my best bet. I wanted to see what Sbell had to say first because he is still on the table, but I would beat my head against the wall if I gave IGCD the tie when he was the obvious lynch.

Him being the first one to go all in on the No lynch play made me raise an eyebrow

Help, I need to go to bed and I am tired and I am tempted to make the rash decision to vote IGCD

Well if you truly feel I'm still scum vote for me.

Ok, so right now this is what I have for everyone.

Kirby "confirmed" town based on day, wasn't killed because he could be scum.

Sbell I've liked all game and don't believe I've seen anything I should be suspicious of, but his aversion to wanting to no lynch and forcing scums hand doesn't sit well with me.

Plum I havent really had much issue just his weak attacks on me, but I don't really see him leaving Kirby alive because I would have been an instant lock for lynch vs the other two so this situation just makes life harder on him if he is scum.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Kirby "confirmed" town based on play from the game wasn't killed because he could be scum.

I don't know why I put day there.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Sbell I've liked all game and don't believe I've seen anything I should be suspicious of, but his aversion to wanting to no lynch and forcing scums hand doesn't sit well with me.

no aversion whatsoever.

I'll no lynch, I just really hoped this would have been over

I keep trying to figure out who benefits from a No lynch situation and I ran out of gas so Im going to bed.

I guess the real question is if scum would no kill 3 times in a row to dare us to actually draw the game.

I dont know. I need to sleep on it

If I'm your biggest scum suspect than keep going for no lynch and ill throw my vote down first every day.

masterplum posted...

I keep trying to figure out who benefits from a No lynch situation and I ran out of gas so Im going to bed.

I guess the real question is if scum would no kill 3 times in a row to dare us to actually draw the game.

I dont know. I need to sleep on it

Honestly, nobody benefits from a No Lynch per se. It's more of a matter of "safety", i.e., better to stalemate the game than to lose it.

Who it "benefits" is purely in the perspective of whichever side feels like they're losing the most, I'd say. I can see what you're saying about IGCD, and it's certainly an interesting perspective to consider.

Personally, I don't think scum had any intention of drawing out a No Lynch by doing a No Kill. It's pretty clear to me that they No Killed to have a better chance at not getting lynched, banking on Town feeling obligated to lynch someone.

So the question of whether No Lynch is the right option or not... you have to ask yourself, "Do you feel that we have scum on the ropes?" If you think scum is feeling very scared and we're close to getting them, then perhaps lynching somebody may be better. But if you think scum isn't scared at all of us and has victory in their grasp, then No Lynch will get them to fear us or at least make a desperate play to win the game.

We won't know until we try, right? I'd say let's No Lynch regardless just to get a measure of the remaining scum. Let's see if they have the guts to make a kill or not. This is now a war of attrition.

##Vote: No Lynch

##vote: no lynch

gettingon the road in a bit. scum, please just kill me.

1 of igcd, plum or kirby. you guys can sort it out.

Yup, nobody got lynched. In its place, the locked vote rule will be hung out to dry instead.

Night actions etc.

Well, again, nobody died.

The locked vote rule will no longer apply.

Get to it, guys. Three to lynch. Day ends Friday at 8 pm Eastern.

##Vote: No Lynch

stop being a pussy and kill one of us

Hmm

Hey IGCD, if it was another no kill, would you vote no lynch for the tie?

Screw it

##Vote:IGCD

The very first read I made when I replaced in was IGCD was scum. No lynching makes sense coming from him here given he knows he would be most likely to be killed and a tie is better than a loss.

If it's Sbell or Kirby I tip my hat to an extremely well played game.

You have at no point explained why you think I'm scum.

The thing is, if IGCD is Scum, I doubt he was planning to stalemate from the get-go.

However, based on the lack of a kill from last night, it's clear that they are either okay with a stalemate or they are just obstinate about making us commit to a vote.

Let's ask another question. Whose idea do you guys think it was to do a No Kill? Ben's or his scummate's?

I've explained how no killing doesn't help me as scum and I've pointed out who the only person no killing makes sense for as scum. If Sbell or Plum are scum there is literally no point in no killing, I was a lock for being insta lynched on the last day. I personally don't agree with you being host confirmed town as everyone seemed to accept because of Corriks stupidity.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You have at no point explained why you think I'm scum.

I have. A lot.

Kirby321 posted...

Let's ask another question. Whose idea do you guys think it was to do a No Kill? Ben's or his scummate's?

Ben absolutely has been around the block enough to no kill at 4, so I don't know if it is a referendum on anyone alive. Whether he would insist on keeping up the no kill, I'm not sure.

I also don't think it matters, but I think a scum kirby probably would have just followed my lead.

So Kirby is still town the surprise of nobody

Well this was a waste of time

masterplum posted...

I have. A lot.

You haven't though. You've been very vague, nothing you've said has any merit because you can't explain what the scum equity in any of my actions have been, its just all been I find IGCD doing this to be suspicious and that makes him scum.

masterplum posted...

Well this was a waste of time

Blame scum whoever it ends up being and hold a grudge for all eternity.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Blame scum whoever it ends up being and hold a grudge for all eternity.

You are the only person that gains from this.

Well, maybe Kirby, but I think Kirby is untouchable enough he would just pick Sbell or I and ride into the sunset. No need to risk a tie

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I personally don't agree with you being host confirmed town as everyone seemed to accept because of Corriks stupidity.

It was Ulti who was pushing that argument, FYI. Personally, I didn't agree with that "host-confirmed" argument, either. Made no sense to me.

But what also doesn't make sense is scum opting to No Kill if they could reasonably score a mislynch on somebody. It was pretty damn clear you were up there on the suspect list behind Sultan, so your argument has no weight because any of us three could have kept you alive for an easy LyLo mislynch.

But guess what? That didn't happen. Why?

Scum had a reason to No Kill. Scum had some reason to believe they couldn't secure the win in LyLo, despite their advantage throughout the game. And to that... I say, screw that noise.

Hope you don't mind, Plum, but I'm with Sbell on this one.

##Vote: No Lynch

Nobody was lynched.

Nobody died at night.

This is LYLO. Get your fucking act in gear, guys.

ok scum doesn't want to win thats fine by me, at least going forward we can call them cowardly for refusing to make the kill

##Vote: No Lynch

Replacing in was a mistake

So vote no lynch hurry this up, scum has a single coward left.

I'm going to bed, but the only option that makes sense is IGCD knows he can't win

Sbell, Kirby and I all leaning scum on him going to the final day. After the first no lynch any of us could have killed anyone else and won. None of us would no kill 3 times.

I am not looking forward to the peanut gallery laughing that we threw the game away

IfGodCouldDie posted...

So vote no lynch hurry this up, scum has a single coward left.

Like what the hell he isn't trying to win. He knows he can't win

masterplum posted...

I'm going to bed, but the only option that makes sense is IGCD knows he can't win

Sbell, Kirby and I all leaning scum on him going to the final day. After the first no lynch any of us could have killed anyone else and won. None of us would no kill 3 times.

I am not looking forward to the peanut gallery laughing that we threw the game away

I've also pointed out why Kirby no killing makes sense as well and you haven't even acknowledged the argument. You haven't responded to anything I've even presented you.

Sbell, Kirby, plum seems like the only non-town aligned player with these actions it is starting to come across as desperate. He is starting to realize that he could have in fact won had he just not been such a fucking cowardly scum and killed someone on the first night. I'll probably regret this, but if you guys want to vote him first ill hammer or we can just stalemate and laugh at him regardless at end game. Either way I won't move my vote until you guys decide what you want to do.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I've also pointed out why Kirby no killing makes sense as well and you haven't even acknowledged the argument. You haven't responded to anything I've even presented you.

Kirby would have just killed you

masterplum posted...

Kirby would have just killed you

That makes no fucking sense to kill the guy everyone wants to lynch.

And yes, please vote me IGCD do we don't have a damn tie of all things

IfGodCouldDie posted...

That makes no fucking sense to kill the guy everyone wants to lynch.

I mean by lynching you.

masterplum posted...

I mean by lynching you.

He would have had to kill someone to get to the final 3 leaving him as a much bigger suspect.

I have a 33.33% chance of being right and a 66.67% chance of being wrong and a 100% chance of being neither.

Scum had a huge advantage this game and still couldn't win.

Thats a huge victory in my eyes.

Peace.

##vote: no lynch.

sorry for not taking this one home corrik. I tried for a little bit. Really felt good about that Sultan lynch.

Now I can't sleep because I'm riled.

This isn't hard. There are no more night actions. Mafia have put the rubber to the road and emphatically stated they are OK with this game ending in a tie.

There is exactly one player who would feel that way

masterplum posted...

There is exactly one player who would feel that way

why only 1 player?

Obellisk posted...

why only 1 player?

Because you, Kirby and I all could have shrugged and killed someone

If IGCD did that he would get insta murdered the next day in final 3

Ok I am really going to bed right now, but I am infuriated that IGCD thinks I am scum and instead of voting me is voting no lynch because he knows he can't win that fight and you are letting him get away with it.

masterplum posted...

Because you, Kirby and I all could have shrugged and killed someone

If IGCD did that he would get insta murdered the next day in final 3

If you or sbell was killed and Kirby is scum he would have had a much bigger problem explaining why the one player that was lock town was not killed going into final 3. This is a part of the reason plum is starting to lean scum on me. Everything single thing he has said about me this game has either been grossly misrepresented, straight up untrue or a complete non-answer.

masterplum posted...

Ok I am really going to bed right now, but I am infuriated that IGCD thinks I am scum and instead of voting me is voting no lynch because he knows he can't win that fight and you are letting him get away with it.

No, again a misrepresenting of what I've said and done, I've left it for sbell and Kirby to decide, thats why I am not going to be the first to vote someone. If I am scum I am making sure i have permission instead of strongarming it the way you are trying to do to me.