Current Events > Confirm/Deny: 'I don't want politics in video games' = 'I don't like gays/trans'

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Guns_of_Verdun
08/27/22 12:26:49 AM
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What do you think?


People never complained about politics in Metal Gear Solid when Kojima ranted at you incoherantly about his political views for 18 hours staight every game.

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gunplagirl
08/27/22 12:29:33 AM
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It can also mean women or people of color

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Questionmarktarius
08/27/22 12:29:44 AM
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FFT is political as fuck, and I don't remember gay/trans bits.
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nfearurspecimn
08/27/22 12:30:04 AM
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not always, sometimes it's just about having a female option or a minority race option

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BignutzisBack
08/27/22 12:31:02 AM
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D for sure, what a dumb topic

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Duchess_Satine
08/27/22 12:31:19 AM
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Star Wars always low key had it but it was obvious for those who were die hard fans. Ziro The Hutt being an example.

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Smackems
08/27/22 12:32:17 AM
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To me I don't want to see contemporary shit like trump being beaten with a gopher by Eric swallwell or whatever his name is

Wait actually I do wanna see that

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SauI_Goodman
08/27/22 12:32:25 AM
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So what youre telling me is some people say "i hate tax hikes!" and some people take that as "i hate trans!"?
Come on...

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Vicious_Dios
08/27/22 12:33:42 AM
#11:


Easy deny. Lmao

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Questionmarktarius
08/27/22 12:33:55 AM
#12:


Meanwhile, in 1988...
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the_rowan
08/27/22 12:34:18 AM
#13:


Often true, but for a wider category of bigotry than just directed at LGBT. Also, the moment someone complains about "woke" anything in games there's a 99.9% chance they're a bigot of some sort. Generally you'll get to hear about how any sort of representation of these groups is just pandering, without any actual criticism of it beyond "it's unnecessary" or something to that regard.

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MrToothHasYou
08/27/22 12:37:53 AM
#14:


gunplagirl posted...
It can also mean women or people of color


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AldousIsDead
08/27/22 12:39:38 AM
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It may not be a duck, but it sure sounds like one.

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AtelierGaming86
08/27/22 12:39:48 AM
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Its likely an aspect but not the whole picture.

I prefer games and media that are more akin to escapism and fantasy though.

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nfearurspecimn
08/27/22 12:40:15 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
It can also mean women or people of color
oh you had me beat

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GeraldDarko
08/27/22 12:40:38 AM
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Soft C
Most of the time, yeah

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Oubliettes
08/27/22 12:41:06 AM
#19:


Smackems posted...
To me I don't want to see contemporary shit like trump being beaten with a gopher by Eric swallwell or whatever his name is

Wait actually I do wanna see that

this p much tbh

i dont want to be reminded that the real world exists when my brain has a brief chance to pretend it doesnt


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ooger
08/27/22 12:43:25 AM
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Oubliettes posted...
this p much tbh

i dont want to be reminded that the real world exists when my brain has a brief chance to pretend it doesnt
Behold, the man child!

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xGhostchantx
08/27/22 12:43:46 AM
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D.

People generally don't like being proselytized to. There's a fair bit of media (including video games) where writers' view points are put in that almost break the 4th wall. The 3 and a 1/2 wall, if you will. You can write characters that break traditional gender norms without having to explicitly tell the viewer of such. It's more effective and natural.

Kinda like Boys s3. You don't need to tell me you've got girl powah, just do your thing. The viewers will get it. And I know the Boys is inherently political and focused around the intersection of corporate power over governments and what's right and wrong, but they're almost 4th wall breaks and jarring af. Show, don't tell. Like Starlight and the Kimiko. Starlight tells and rarely shows, but Kimiko shows and rarely tells. Kimiko is a badass, and Starlight comes across as someone trying to convince herself and us that she's a badass.

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BloodMoon7
08/27/22 12:47:06 AM
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I don't want politics in my video games actually. I don't mind gay/trans characters.

But if Hero McMainCharacter tells me to go vote for his preferred party imma slap a bitch.

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Glob
08/27/22 12:48:49 AM
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Deny purely because sometimes its bigotry towards women or different races instead. But yeah, its normally bigotry.
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nfearurspecimn
08/27/22 12:48:51 AM
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deus ex is the most political game I've ever played lmao

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WorsCaseOntario
08/27/22 12:53:28 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
It can also mean women or people of color
plenty of games have had those and no one ever complained.

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Oubliettes
08/27/22 12:55:01 AM
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ooger posted...
Behold, the man child!

Son Im 38 I wwebsite as on the internet when you were a sperm in your daddys balls and before it was the internet, thanks for the welcome to message wurd up. Grow up you look like a complete child bro

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WorsCaseOntario
08/27/22 12:58:22 AM
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Oubliettes posted...
Son Im 38 I wwebsite as on the internet when you were a sperm in your daddys balls and before it was the internet, thanks for the welcome to message wurd up. Grow up you look like a complete child bro
Wonder how he'd feel if games started inserting Christian or other religious messages. It's the same basic thing

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ooger
08/27/22 1:00:20 AM
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Oubliettes posted...
Son Im 38 I wwebsite as on the internet when you were a sperm in your daddys balls and before it was the internet, thanks for the welcome to message wurd up. Grow up you look like a complete child bro

You are a '38 I wwebsite'?

Did you just have a stroke?

Should we call an ambulance?

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ooger
08/27/22 1:00:34 AM
#30:


Are you smelling toast?

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Questionmarktarius
08/27/22 1:00:49 AM
#31:


Yoshi x Birdo is the first double-trans pairing, and that was Double Dash in 2003.
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BettyWhite
08/27/22 1:03:20 AM
#32:


Give me characters of any group of disadvantaged peoples and have us live and witness their struggles. But please don't have them going off on monologues that read like they're breaking the 4th wall to preach to us.

I tend to prefer real life issues passed through the lense of fantasy. Allows for people who might have not been open to such to let their guard down to understand a new perspective.

X-Men, Final Fantasy VII, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer being examples that come to mind.


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Kim_Seong-a
08/27/22 1:05:11 AM
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It's naive at best and usually reads as a red flag. The apologia is "I dont hate gay people, I just hate when their entire identity is nothing but gay."

But nobody likes when any character is a boring and ham-fisted archetype of a single chcharacteristic. What they actually mean is "I hate bad writing". So to single out homosexuality (or any ethnicity/gender/etc) as something uniquely bad is sus as hell.

And even beyond that the fact is most people complaining about "politics" are whining about some of the most banal shit imaginable. If a trans allegory for a side-character ends up being too on the nose who cares. No piece of media is gonna be perfect.

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Oubliettes
08/27/22 1:05:30 AM
#34:


ooger posted...
You are a '38 I wwebsite'?

Did you just have a stroke?

Should we call an ambulance?


Look here steakhead, I didnt ask for your 2 bit opinion of what was easier or harder and I am not complaining, (Believe me youd know it if I was complaining) I asked a simple question. I didnt ask for a lecture on how you or anyone else does things.

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HashtagTartarus
08/27/22 1:11:50 AM
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It's a dog whistle; it perks my ears up. I am brought to a state of intense psychological arousal at the mention of some nebulous "politics". My mouth waters, and I begin to crave the flesh of the opinionated. I would engage in a sort of "communion in vivo", summarily cannibalizing he who spake the gamered words. Your ignorance is my nutrition, and my body can use it better than your own.
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xGhostchantx
08/27/22 1:11:57 AM
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Oubliettes posted...
Look here steakhead, I didnt ask for your 2 bit opinion of what was easier or harder and I am not complaining, (Believe me youd know it if I was complaining) I asked a simple question. I didnt ask for a lecture on how you or anyone else does things.

ok navy seal

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Big_Nabendu
08/27/22 1:11:58 AM
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How does mk have politics?

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nexigrams
08/27/22 1:12:30 AM
#38:


Ironically, the only thing I don't want "politics" in, is actual politics. The saying, "I don't want politics in my x," is just code for like, being a bigot and voting for people who cater to that sort of thing.

Literal actual 1984 shit, where they have somehow co-opted the word politics to mean anything but.


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Kim_Seong-a
08/27/22 1:13:24 AM
#39:


Big_Nabendu posted...
How does mk have politics?

Jax used time travel to end slavery in a non-canon arcade ending. Truly the most horrifying overreach of ill-formed political commentary.

Same people complaining were often silent when presented with Nightwolf's arcade ending from MK3 lol

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Questionmarktarius
08/27/22 1:14:59 AM
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nexigrams posted...
Literal actual 1984 shit
Ironically, Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four would make a damn good JRPG, and pretty much all of them on SNES did that already.
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Smackems
08/27/22 1:16:04 AM
#41:


BloodMoon7 posted...
I don't want politics in my video games actually. I don't mind gay/trans characters.

But if Hero McMainCharacter tells me to go vote for his preferred party imma slap a bitch.
Hear hear

The slapping she comes

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blackrider76
08/27/22 1:16:23 AM
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Remember when Blizzard (ab)used this in Overwatch to cover up their ongoing scandals, to the point that people memed that they had an emergency gay button or I wonder who theyll reveal is the next LGBT hero?

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Smackems
08/27/22 1:16:40 AM
#43:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Yoshi x Birdo is the first double-trans pairing, and that was Double Dash in 2003.
Lmao

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Questionmarktarius
08/27/22 1:17:17 AM
#44:


Smackems posted...
Lmao
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Smackems
08/27/22 1:18:11 AM
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I.... Am staying out of that lol


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KyerWiz
08/27/22 1:20:33 AM
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Considering we've had people complaining that killing Nazi was too political in Wolfenstein, I say make whatever game you want to make and ignore the fools.
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Questionmarktarius
08/27/22 1:20:50 AM
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Smackems posted...
I.... Am staying out of that lol
Birdo has been a canon transsexual since 1988, and males can't lay eggs.
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ChocoboMogALT
08/27/22 1:24:10 AM
#48:


nexigrams posted...
Literal actual 1984 shit
Like Tetris?

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Questionmarktarius
08/27/22 1:25:22 AM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Like Tetris?
Don't hate on my waifu!

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I_is_smart
08/27/22 1:34:32 AM
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Oubliettes posted...
Look here steakhead, I didnt ask for your 2 bit opinion of what was easier or harder and I am not complaining, (Believe me youd know it if I was complaining) I asked a simple question. I didnt ask for a lecture on how you or anyone else does things.
...what? What question did you even ask?

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