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The gold standard of overpromising and underdelivering has to go to Aliens: Colonial Marines. Not excusing any of the shit games that were released afterwards, but at least those had redeeming qualities and the base game was fixed to an arguably acceptable degree. Colonial Marines _never_ did. HM to Mass Effect Andromeda.

"I'm not excusing shit games that were shit on release but *proceeds to excuse said games*"

Lol

The gold standard of overpromising and underdelivering has to go to Aliens: Colonial Marines. Not excusing any of the shit games that were released afterwards, but at least those had redeeming qualities and the base game was fixed to an arguably acceptable degree. Colonial Marines _never_ did. HM to Mass Effect Andromeda.

Tbf to andromeda they did try to fix what they could before the plug was pulled.

Tell us what you want to see then. What is it that you want to see from this situation? I understand your point, but you're kinda talking in circles over and over instead of offering a practical solution.

"I'm not excusing shit games that were shit on release but *proceeds to excuse said games*"

Lol

Also, wasnt the team kinda fucked over? It was a skeleton team of new devs working on Andromeda for the majority of it because everyone got yanked to Anthem from what i remember.

i'm assuming you're agreeing that cyberpunk didn't set the precedent since you're not mentioning that part that people have pointed out.

but should someone never ever buy no mans sky for example? it's good now. ffxiv? they deleted a whole game and had to make a new one.

How this game is still popular is beyond me. Gamers are brain dead

If you disagree and think it's not a precedent, it doesn't matter. It's still a shitty thing what they did and it's inexcusable that it made them as much money as they did, even with the stock plunge and the lawsuits.

Look pal, they aren't arguing in good faith. Once they couldn't keep debating my points, instead of conceding or bowing out, they started making claims about my emotional state, and TC even equated CD proyect red's practices to the raping of my mother. If they aren't going to argue in good faith, may as well have fun with it.

The gold standard of overpromising and underdelivering has to go to Aliens: Colonial Marines. Not excusing any of the shit games that were released afterwards, but at least those had redeeming qualities and the base game was fixed to an arguably acceptable degree. Colonial Marines _never_ did. HM to Mass Effect Andromeda.

I mean, I won't defend bad faith arguing, but you yourself didn't answer the question I just posed to you...

You want me to propose a solution? The executives that greenlit the release should be fired, game shouldn't be profitable until it releases with all advertised features (any money made until then should go to the developers and not executives or investors) and next game developments should be made under heavy scrutiny. I think most faults laid on the executive side, because the devs themselves didn't want the game to release in that said, so consequences should affect the executives.

FFXV released in a playable state, and later trailers stayed true to the final product. It was still inexcusable, but it wasn't as blatant as Cyberpunk.

No Man's Sky is a more comparable example, but it was an indie with lower expectations than Cyberpunk. Also not excusable.

Cyberpunk is the worst offender I can think off, and the sheer scale of the lies is what I think set a precedent.

If you disagree and think it's not a precedent, it doesn't matter. It's still a shitty thing what they did and it's inexcusable that it made them as much money as they did, even with the stock plunge and the lawsuits.

I get 100+ FPS on max settings on mine :>

those fuckers.

But that won't happen. The video game industry is just as plagued with other c-level infections as the rest of the country. This is no different than Wells Fargo walking away unscathed from scamming millions by opening fake accounts to hit sales goals, or equifax being unharmed for their big fat breach years ago.

How this game is still popular is beyond me. Gamers are brain dead

With RT?

Also I don't get this "it was unfinished" argument. CP 2077 was finished. It just ran like ass on last Gen consoles.

if cyberpunk is the worst, then i can see that. game ran like shit in addition to the underpromising. other games ran fine. i wouldn't give NMS a "but" by being from an indie team, but i would agree if you said something like cyberpunk's failure is even worse since it was made by a non indie, billion dollar dev that should have the resources to make any game as good as they want.

do you think people should skip NMS forever? they've gone above and beyond fixing their game. they don't charge anything for the new content they've added. the game is pretty good. still skip?

It's a game that sets a precedent that it's okay to lie and release a game that looks nothing like it was shown and has way fewer features than promised. That it's okay to release unfinished and unplayable games and charge full price for them. Gamers are brainless and don't care either way.

You want me to propose a solution? The executives that greenlit the release should be fired, game shouldn't be profitable until it releases with all advertised features (any money made until then should go to the developers and not executives or investors) and next game developments should be made under heavy scrutiny. I think most faults laid on the executive side, because the devs themselves didn't want the game to release in that said, so consequences should affect the executives.

yeah but Ive only played for a few hours so far so it could drop in different areas, but I was still getting 100 in the city at the beginning

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If people bought NMS, they would know about the product in detail, what it offers and be able to make an informed decision.

If they bought it at launch, they would be misled to, because the game wouldn't have any features they advertised the product would make.

So in a sense it's okay to buy the game today. However, I still don't want this to become a common practice as sadly Cyberpunk players are enabling, because it can lead to consumers being misled again

Gotta agree with you. Game was a shell of what they promised and burned a lot of people. And the people dog-piling on you are why gaming is in such a sad state right now accepting half-finished games and making excuses and dumbass "u mad lol!!" type shit. It's an embarrassing time to be a gamer, developers release incomplete games and gamers lap it up and throw them more money, it's ridiculous.

Like this guy is treating CDPR putting out a bad product as if they legitimately scammed people out of their money

They did. Unironically they did.

Where's the scam?

They made money off the sale of an incomplete product, or at the very least, one that didn't have the features they advertised it would have.

They made money off the sale of an incomplete product, or at the very least, one that didn't have the features they advertised it would have.

They made money off the sale of an incomplete product, or at the very least, one that didn't have the features they advertised it would have.

And offered full refunds.

I'm wondering, what "advertised features" are you talking about here? I know the game was glitchy and incomplete but I'd be curious to know what specifics you're hammering.

FFXV released in a playable state, and later trailers stayed true to the final product. It was still inexcusable, but it wasn't as blatant as Cyberpunk.

FYI, paulie mentioned FF 14, the MMO that was so bad they had to completely rebuild it after a year to keep the company from going under. FF 15 had its own problems that were eventually fixed in the Royal Edition, but FFXV is more a warning about promised DLC being cancelled.

I'm wondering, what "advertised features" are you talking about here? I know the game was glitchy and incomplete but I'd be curious to know what specifics you're hammering.

FYI, paulie mentioned FF 14, the MMO that was so bad they had to completely rebuild it after a year to keep the company from going under. FF 15 had its own problems that were eventually fixed in the Royal Edition, but FFXV is more a warning about promised DLC being cancelled.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/2/AAMTIRAADUn2.jpg

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The list is massive btw, this is not one or two minor features missing. I hope you can understand the scale of the lies told by the publisher. Maybe some of them have been implemented post launch, but no way they have all been added ever since. Thus, even today it's still an unfinished game.

And offered full refunds.

I'm wondering, what "advertised features" are you talking about here? I know the game was glitchy and incomplete but I'd be curious to know what specifics you're hammering.

a game missing advertised features =/= unfinished game.

you still get a full story and gameplay experience, even if it doesn't match up to what could have been.

https://www.reddit.com /r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kcve8s/promised_but_missing_feature_list_will_update/

Had to separate the link because of weird gamefaqs formatting rules.

The list is massive btw, this is not one or two minor features missing. I hope you can understand the scale of the lies told by the publisher. Maybe some of them have been implemented post launch, but no way they have all been added ever since. Thus, even today it's still an unfinished game.