Current Events > Cyberpunk DLC releasing today, expansion revealed and releasing later.

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codey posted...

Seriously. "They made money off an unfinished product" and then gave a shitload of it back during probably the biggest game return scandal of all time.

I disagree honestly. They offered refunds but the game still sold insane amounts at launch. I don't have any doubt many people played it once and never touched it without refunding because they didn't know they could do that.

We dwell on online forums so we know better, but most people aren't as well informed as we are, so they didn't refund the game.

Hence, cd project red still profited off it despite offering refunds to save face.
g0ldie posted...

a game missing advertised features =/= unfinished game.

They're separate things but still fit cyberpunk.

It both lacks advertised features and is unfinished.

YoungMutual posted...

It both lacks advertised features and is unfinished.

this isn't true.

the game and story have a beginning, middle, and conclusive ending (multiple options).

there's nowhere in the game that feels like part of the main story was missing.

TaylorHeinicke posted...

And offered full refunds.

I'm wondering, what "advertised features" are you talking about here? I know the game was glitchy and incomplete but I'd be curious to know what specifics you're hammering.

I think hes talking about that one tech demo that was an hour long revealed to the public like 2 years before release from that one convention.

*shrug*

Still gonna replay Cyberpunk and continue to go back to No Man's Sky

under-delivering isn't an incomplete game lol.

I wouldnt say Cyberpunk wasnt finished. If anything Fallout 4 was incomplete because it literally had bugs that stopped you from finishing.

Makeveli_lives posted...

I think hes talking about that one tech demo that was an hour long revealed to the public like 2 years before release from that one convention.

Which is again a cautionary tale about feeding into the hype machine. My expectations were met with CP2077 because I had no real expectations about the game going into it. I bought it, played it, completed it, and enjoyed it at launch. That's my experience, though it seems to be the outlier. The only game I've actually had any hype for in the last 18 months was Elden Ring, and it exceeded my expectations.

g0ldie posted...

this isn't true.

the game and story have a beginning, middle, and conclusive ending (multiple options).

there's nowhere in the game that feels like part of the main story was missing.

That whole rushed montage part with V and Jackie early in the game proves this is not true, lol.

So like, no one should ever complain about anything gaming wise again.

not micro transactions, not lies from devs, not bugs or glitches, nothing. Thats pretty much what this topics boiled down to.

edit: before someone says it too, I bought it on release on PC and beat it twice. But the opinions in this topic are stupid as fuck.

Zeeak4444 posted...

So like, no one should ever complain about anything gaming wise again.

not micro transactions, not lies from devs, not bugs or glitches, nothing. Thats pretty much what this topics boiled down to.

edit: before someone says it too, I bought it on release on PC and beat it twice. But the opinions in this topic are stupid as fuck.

Shills gonna shill man, but I think some of them are kinda starting to concede some points and realize that no, what Cd project did is not okay, so it's a start

Finis-XII posted...

That whole rushed montage part with V and Jackie early in the game proves this is not true, lol.

This. I didnt give a shit about Jackie because we barely did anything with him. Also we were supposed to have more unique openings.

Zeeak4444 posted...

So like, no one should ever complain about anything gaming wise again.

not micro transactions, not lies from devs, not bugs or glitches, nothing. Thats pretty much what this topics boiled down to.

edit: before someone says it too, I bought it on release on PC and beat it twice. But the opinions in this topic are stupid as fuck.

Or you know context of a situation matters in the grand scheme of things and complaining longer then needed is not necessary or even wanted.

Finis-XII posted...

That whole rushed montage part with V and Jackie early in the game proves this is not true, lol.

how's that show that there's part of the story that's missing?

it seems more like a stylistic decision to simultaneously introduce you to Night City while also building on their relationship.

Zeeak4444 posted...

So like, no one should ever complain about anything gaming wise again.

not micro transactions, not lies from devs, not bugs or glitches, nothing. Thats pretty much what this topics boiled down to.

edit: before someone says it too, I bought it on release on PC and beat it twice. But the opinions in this topic are stupid as fuck.

That's your takeaway from all of this? The game has been out for almost 2 years now. YoungMutual's complaints have all been touched on hundreds of times since launch.

At this point, it just sounds like complaining for the sake of it. Which, yeah, people find annoying.

YoungMutual posted...

Shills gonna shill man, but I think some of them are kinda starting to concede some points and realize that no, what Cd project did is not okay, so it's a start

Post like these dont help anyone and makes people look foolish for using the term shill incorrectly.

How the fuck did you all take that loser's bait to 100+ posts...

g0ldie posted...

how's that show that there's part of the story that's missing?

it seems more like a stylistic decision to simultaneously introduce you to Night City while also building on their relationship.

Are you fucking kidding me, lol? That scene couldn't be more clumsy and rushed as hell. V getting to know Jackie and doing gigs with him could've made 1/3rds of the story, instead we got a brief recap before the final episode. Stylistic decision my ass. Even by your own standard the game clearly isn't finished, lmao.

So did they fix the game?

Finis-XII posted...

That whole rushed montage part with V and Jackie early in the game proves this is not true, lol.

Montages like that are common in games. Plus Jackie shows up again multiple tones throughout the story apparently according to various missable Event videos on YouTube.

Finis-XII posted...

Are you f***ing kidding me, lol? That scene couldn't be more clumsy and rushed as hell. V getting to know Jackie and doing gigs with him could've made 1/3rds of the story, instead we got a brief recap before the final episode. Stylistic decision my ass. Even by your own standard the game clearly isn't finished, lmao.

What? You do a bunch of quests with Jackie lol. He's there for what they need him to be there for. The story was always about V and Johnny.

Jackie was never going to be a big part of the game was just a catalyst for V getting the chip.

And who the hell moderated my post for calling that one dude out on being unreasonably upset about the release state of the game lol

Oreos74 posted...

So did they fix the game?

Some patches and PS5/Series X ports later, yes it's more than just playable now. Should've been designed from the very start as a next gen title because now CDPR has been playing round the clock catchup.

Makeveli_lives posted...

And who the hell moderated my post for calling that one dude out on being unreasonably upset about the release state of the game lol

Stop being so angry lol

Makeveli_lives posted...

Montages like that are common in games.

No they aren't, lol. You CDPR apologists will say anything to defend that half-baked, overhyped mess.

Like, almost all the trailers and pre-release marketing of the game made it seem like Jackie was some major supporting buddy character that would be there for at least half the story. Instead he's the friendly coworker guy who just dies early.

Can't wait to see what modders do with the new toolkit. They've been making some cool stuff with scuffed tools but with an official kit out there it could take off. I hope so at least.

The thing that blows me away was how cobbled together Cyberpunk 2077 was. Like you could stand in front of the car and the traffic would just stop. Forever. Police cars didn't have proper AI in the open world so they would just spawn hostile AI around corners. It was more basic than GTA3 20 years ago when it came to the city AI. The defence of the game at the time was that it wasn't supposed to be a GTA game and yet being a GTA game with RPG combat is basically what the game is best at doing. I don't think that stuff was ever fixed or ever can be fixed?

I have just never seen a AAA game be that completely borked before. It was like a fake North Korean town where just one wrong step ruins the illusion which is an awful position for a video game to be in.

It made the Watch Dogs controversy look like a joke in comparison.

Finis-XII posted...

No they aren't, lol. You CDPR apologists will say anything to defend that half-baked, overhyped mess.

Like, almost all the trailers and pre-release marketing of the game made it seem like Jackie was some major supporting buddy character that would be there for at least half the story. Instead he's the friendly coworker guy who just dies early.

Oh, they 100% sold a lie and should be eternally shamed for it. But what the game actually was is decent and they should have just sold it as it is.

YoungMutual posted...

Shills gonna shill man, but I think some of them are kinda starting to concede some points and realize that no, what Cd project did is not okay, so it's a start

This 'us vs them' mentality is fucking stupid. You're not winning anyone over to your side if you're constantly condescending to them. Your standards of acceptability are higher than others, which is your prerogative. Meanwhile, I bought a game, I played a game, and I enjoyed the game. I'm interested in what else these developers are doing to flesh out the game. Others didn't have as good a time with the game as I did, and they're within their right to be upset. By this point, the game is what it is. It's been almost 2 years now. Move on.

Funkydog posted...

Oh, they 100% sold a lie and should be eternally shamed for it. But what the game actually was is decent and they should have just sold it as it is.

I mean yeah that's a fair take, but what people are looking at is the context surrounding the game. Like if CDPR didn't spend years hyping CP 2077 as the next biggest fucking thing in open-world RPGs, it would be a 7/10 looter shooter game. But given the context I'd say it deserves a 5 or even a 4/10 for the lies and deceitful marketing alone.

Finis-XII posted...

No they aren't, lol. You CDPR apologists will say anything to defend that half-baked, overhyped mess.

Like, almost all the trailers and pre-release marketing of the game made it seem like Jackie was some major supporting buddy character that would be there for at least half the story. Instead he's the friendly coworker guy who just dies early.

Nah, a lot of people noticed that pre-release, Jackie was only shown in the early parts of the game, before Johnny was with V. That combined with the fact that we had a literal trailer showing Jackie being shot and killed... We knew he wasn't going to be a major part of the story.

https://youtu.be/Nwy_791nvsk

Finis-XII posted...

I mean yeah that's a fair take, but what people are looking at is the context surrounding the game. Like if CDPR didn't spend years hyping CP 2077 as the next biggest fucking thing in open-world RPGs, it would be a 7/10 looter shooter game. But given the context I'd say it deserves a 5 or even a 4/10 for the lies and deceitful marketing alone.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_notable_for_negative_reception

Twelve days after release, the Metacritic score for the Windows version was at 86 out of 100,[401] while the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One versions were scored at 55 and 54, respectively.

i keep forgetting this game exists for some reason...

the game actually suffers from and lacks key gameplay fundamentals covered in titles from 2003.

Just letting you know, good graphics don't make a good game.

I had a lot of high hopes for this title and it was just... awful.

s0nicfan posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_notable_for_negative_reception

As CD Projekt began releasing major patches for the game in March 2021, the company stated that in future games, they will avoid announcing any new titles until they are "much closer" to a launch state.

CD Projekt: We will not announce games until they're almost ready to release.

Also CD Projekt: *announces witcher 4 which is still in the early stages of development*

These guys just dont learn

YoungMutual posted...

As CD Projekt began releasing major patches for the game in March 2021, the company stated that in future games, they will avoid announcing any new titles until they are "much closer" to a launch state.

CD Projekt: We will not announce games until they're almost ready to release.

Also CD Projekt: *announces witcher 4 which is still in the early stages of development*

These guys just dont learn

More like gamers need a reason to complain later.

YoungMutual posted...

As CD Projekt began releasing major patches for the game in March 2021, the company stated that in future games, they will avoid announcing any new titles until they are "much closer" to a launch state.

CD Projekt: We will not announce games until they're almost ready to release.

Also CD Projekt: *announces witcher 4 which is still in the early stages of development*

These guys just dont learn

I hate when they do this as well. If you're going to do it, do it like Elden Ring. They announced Elden Ring, and said fuck all for almost 3 years until they were within 8 months of release.

YoungMutual posted...

Shills gonna shill man, but I think some of them are kinda starting to concede some points and realize that no, what Cd project did is not okay, so it's a start

shills?

buddy, I returned the game immediately and haven't bought it back. Why would I shill for a company after making a game I didn't have fun with?

I'm not shilling for anything, you just can't accept that people disagree that this set a "precedent." A company releasing a game in a state that brought on universal condemnation is not going to set a "precedent," especially after the game was hated so much the company had to give people their money back en masse.

Not to mention the game came out almost two years ago. What AAA games have come out in a similar state? How many developers are following in CDProjekt Red's and releasing buggy messes? There's no precedent set because no one's following suit.

NoxObscuras posted...

Nah, a lot of people noticed that pre-release, Jackie was only shown in the early parts of the game, before Johnny was with V. That combined with the fact that we had a literal trailer showing Jackie being shot and killed... We knew he wasn't going to be a major part of the story.

At best that's like half true. Some people went with the assumption that he would die early (which to be fair, did happen to be correct), but many others speculated you could either save him or that was just a "bad ending" from choices during an edgerunner job gone wrong. Spin the narrative however you want, just like with everything else they made him out to be more than he actually was in the game.

But the issue is not really about Jackie himself. The main story of the game is a rushed, badly paced, and criminally short mess that the devs clearly weren't given enough time to flesh out. All because of CDPR's "muhhh 2020, this is the year it has to happen" shit. The Jackie montage is just the prime example that makes the issue obvious.

Finis-XII posted...

At best that's like half true. Some people went with the assumption that he would die early (which to be fair, did happen to be correct), but many others speculated you could either save him or that was just a "bad ending" from choices during an edgerunner job gone wrong.

They killed him in the trailer lol.

also, the subreddit confirmed it with each trailer that was released. They noticed he wasnt around in gameplay previews and other stuff coming out. Most people knew jackie was dying early.

You're making this a bigger deal than it is. The story is the best thing the game had going for it and it was fine.

I4NRulez posted...

They killed him in the trailer lol

No they didn't, lol. At that time they left enough room for speculation that Jackie could've survived or you, the player, went down a bad story path. Unless you were a CDPR dev, you did not know better than anyone else about the certainty of Jackie's fate in the story at that time before release.

You're making this a bigger deal than it is. The story is the best thing the game had going for it and it was fine.

Sure, the story wasn't a completely abysmal disaster. It had some good moments. The parts where you infiltrated the brothel in Japantown, meeting Kerry Eurodyne and the Us Cracks, and the Johnny centric scenes were all good. But I won't pretend that shit wasn't cobbled together and rushed as all hell.

Like after that last botched mission with Jackie it felt like the story was almost over already. Why the fuck am I playing as a guy who has maybe a month to live as some plot device in an open-world RPG where I can piss away so much time doing jobs and buying a bunch of cars? CP 2077 is supposed to be this immersive open-world RPG experience, but I'm in some urgent race against time to save V's life? Which is pointless anyway because there's seemingly absolutely no way to save him/her after all. It just makes no sense and kind of ruins everything the game is trying to be as an immersive experience.

Finis-XII posted...

Are you fucking kidding me, lol? That scene couldn't be more clumsy and rushed as hell. V getting to know Jackie and doing gigs with him could've made 1/3rds of the story, instead we got a brief recap before the final episode. Stylistic decision my ass. Even by your own standard the game clearly isn't finished, lmao.

regardless of what you feel about the opening montage, it doesn't mean that the game is unfinished if the developers intentionally choose to tell some of its story in that way.

montages are storytelling devices that allow people to tell a longer, implied part of a story within a short amount of time.

Finis-XII posted...

No they didn't, lol. At that time they left enough room for speculation that Jackie could've survived or you, the player, went down a bad story path. Unless you were a CDPR dev, you did not know better than anyone else about the certainty of Jackie's fate in the story at that time before release.

ok so why are you so mad he died if it was obviously a possibility?

thronedfire2 posted...

ok so why are you so mad he died if it was obviously a possibility?

I'm not mad that he died. I don't care. The game didn't give me enough time to care. I'm discussing the Cyberpunk post-mortem here, and why the game is such a massive failure.

g0ldie posted...

regardless of what you feel about the opening montage, it doesn't mean that the game is unfinished if the developers intentionally choose to tell some of its story in that way.

No, it tells me that was the only choice the developers were given. They had to work within a 2020 release deadline, so they cut a chunk of the story out to cut corners. To normal people that's the definition of unfinished, my guy.

Finis-XII posted...

I'm not mad that he died. I don't care. The game didn't give me enough time to care. I'm discussing the Cyberpunk post-mortem here, and why the game is such a massive failure.

No, it tells me that was the only choice the developers were given. They had to work within a 2020 release deadline, so they cut a chunk of the story out to cut corners. To normal people that's the definition of unfinished, my guy.

Flawed logic is flawed because the very nature of a lot of media has cut content.

Finis-XII posted...

No, it tells me that was the only choice the developers were given. They had to work within a 2020 release deadline, so they cut a chunk of the story out to cut corners. To normal people that's the definition of unfinished, my guy.

Like every thing thats produced is edited and cut down.

Baha05 posted...

Flawed logic is flawed because the very nature of a lot of media has cut content.

Flawed logic is flawed because Cyberpunk doesn't get a free pass just because other shitty AAA games do it. CDPR overhyped and lied about the games content for years. You're just ignoring that context.

Finis-XII posted...

No, it tells me that was the only choice the developers were given. They had to work within a 2020 release deadline, so they cut a chunk of the story out to cut corners. To normal people that's the definition of unfinished, my guy.

this is a weird thing to assume.

montages don't happen often in games, so when they do, they're going to stand out, for better or for worse, and it seemed like they wanted to try something different.

do I deny some of the story could have been cut? no, but I don't necessarily feel like it happened during the opening montage.

and let's say that the montage was used to skip through a chunk of the story like you're trying to argue, it being used as a replacement for more fleshed out content doesn't mean the game is unfinished, it just means that a different storytelling method was used to help complete it.

Finis-XII posted...

Flawed logic is flawed because Cyberpunk doesn't get a free pass just because other shitty AAA games do it. CDPR overhyped and lied about the games content for years. You're just ignoring that context.

The context in terms of what people assume makes a game unfinished is based on more the content cut here. The fact that games and even other media has things that were cut doesnt make something unfinished.

g0ldie posted...

this is a weird thing to assume.

montages don't happen often in games, so when they do, they're going to stand out, for better or for worse, and it seemed like they wanted to try something different.

do I deny some of the story could have been cut? no, but I don't necessarily feel like it happened during the opening montage.

and let's say that the montage was used to skip through a chunk of the story like you're trying to argue, it being used as a replacement for more fleshed out content doesn't mean the game is unfinished, it just means that a different storytelling method was used to help complete it.

In this case, no it's really not that weird of a thing to assume, because we can see what happened with Cyberpunk's development with our own eyes from the game itself. That journalist Jason Schreier's documentation after the fact just confirmed what we already suspected, and it was even worse than what we originally imagined. They cut corners in every aspect of the game to reach the 2020 deadline. Unfinished.

And there's nothing wrong with montages in itself, it's the way Cyberpunk used that one that makes it obvious they were trying to patch up a gap in the game's storytelling.

The revisionist history going on complaining about fanboys shilling over a game is hilarious.

Absolutely NOBODY liked the game and called it great at release. Tons of people were unhappy, wanted refunds (and got them), and said that it tarnished CDPR's reputation. After CDPR promised to keep updating it for free so that it actually works, the opinion of the game started to turn around. People haven't been shilling out money for this game, they've been waiting until it's a game worth playing.