Board 8 > Dota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 2 - A Second Serving of Subtle Spiciness

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PoppyTheNinja
09/06/22 7:51:14 PM
#201:


Kirby321 posted...
What the fuck is Corrik even going on about

Do you have anything else you want to say?

I swear, if I get lynched today, I'm gonna bet everybody tunneling on me (namely Hb and Corrik) are probably scum. Talk about fluffing up the topic without substance.
do think the overfocus on kirby's claim is kind of taking the air out of the thread to the point i have trouble remembering what other people have done though maybe it's a case of me being new and not knowing people

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Lopen
09/06/22 7:52:00 PM
#202:


This is my guess at setup

Town
Lopen
Kirby
Lea
Mzero
Death
Sbell
Corrik
Ctes
Red
Chang

Roshan
Ulti

Scum
Han
Hb
Sultan
Poppy

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Isquen
09/06/22 7:52:17 PM
#203:


Shop post will be delayed by an hour.

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htaeD
09/06/22 7:54:01 PM
#205:


Isquen posted...
Shop post will be delayed by an hour.


Goodbye everybody!

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Lopen
09/06/22 7:54:07 PM
#206:


##unvote:
##vote: HB

Odin is with us!

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HanOfTheNekos
09/06/22 7:57:29 PM
#207:


PoppyTheNinja posted...
do think the overfocus on kirby's claim is kind of taking the air out of the thread to the point i have trouble remembering what other people have done though maybe it's a case of me being new and not knowing people

No, you're making a fair point. 100+ posts on it was more than necessary.

Btw now I can say that Lopen actually is acting in a similar manner to "chang taunts Lopen" mafia. In that game, he followed people onto the next vote train a lot. He was usually eager to hop on as well.

Just an observation.

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PoppyTheNinja
09/06/22 7:57:49 PM
#208:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I didnt say I was trying to test him. I thought he was scum, and got overly excited. He said what his item was and I changed my mind. I also believe his role now, because that whole thing is so wildly ridiculous to claim as town.
yeah i think the way ulti reacted is way ore likely to come from town who thought they were genuinely on to something rather than scum trying to push a claim they know is real

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Kirby321
09/06/22 7:58:26 PM
#209:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Didn't Poppy and someone else (Death??) also look his direction in the previous topic?

Also, Kirby, I have to ask you to maybe repeat yourself here (you owe me for voting me): Why did you say you were "essentially a Miller but different" or whatever it was? That does carry with it an implication that you are not exactly a Miller.

Well, without copy/pasting the same quote for a third time, I'll paraphrase as such:

Conventionally, Miller is just a vanilla that scans guilty and usually not a modifier. Otherwise, the role would be "Miller Vanilla", not just "Miller".

In that sense, I'm not a conventional Miller. I'm more like a power role that scans guilty.

But I was intentionally being misleading and vague because I wanted to see how Lea would respond with further elaboration of her claim. If she was lying, her claim would be inconsistent with the exact details I left hidden.

And generally speaking, I don't want to reveal info to scum whenever possible, especially not as early as Day 1. I hoped people would just let it go and wouldn't question my ability further, so I could at least flex the potential faade of my role being threatening in order to trick scum into shooting me.

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HanOfTheNekos
09/06/22 7:58:54 PM
#210:


Also, apparently I was stunned four hours ago.

I cannot vote, use items, or any possible day action I may have until end of day.

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PoppyTheNinja
09/06/22 7:59:46 PM
#211:


Lopen posted...
This is my guess at setup

Town
Lopen
Kirby
Lea
Mzero
Death
Sbell
Corrik
Ctes
Red
Chang

Roshan
Ulti

Scum
Han
Hb
Sultan
Poppy
that is an amusing list to say the least considering i've voted or fosed the 3 other names at the bottom of your list

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Kirby321
09/06/22 8:00:01 PM
#212:


htaeD posted...
Goodbye everybody!

Well, I hope you enjoy the present when you get back!

... Because I got a confirmation PM for that but radio silence for my role questions >_>
But I'm assuming Isquen is just busy and will get to it eventually.

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Kirby321
09/06/22 8:01:38 PM
#213:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Also, apparently I was stunned four hours ago.

I cannot vote, use items, or any possible day action I may have until end of day.

Now that's curious.

Hmm... sure, I'm willing to believe you're telling the truth here. The question now is which player would try to deny Han the ability to vote on Day 1.

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ctesjbuvf
09/06/22 8:02:04 PM
#214:


Really, the idea of this ultimate miller existing as some ultimate lesson to town to not meta at all is the most likely scenario?

Lea moved back on and fourth on Kirby several times at Ulti levels of speed. So you completely agree with a point Hb made but it could be made neutral so he's probably scum. What kind of weird logic is that? It was a good point.

There is at least one scum in Kirby/Lea, you are not convincing me otherwise. At this point I'm almost leaning both.

But also shop delayed and I'm not staying up another hour so goodnight

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Obellisk
09/06/22 8:03:05 PM
#215:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
or any possible day action I may have until end of day.

that's confusing cause if it's end of day then you can't use the day action at all right?

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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:04:05 PM
#216:


Kirby321 posted...
unless otherwise noted


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HanOfTheNekos
09/06/22 8:04:09 PM
#217:


Lopen posted...
Also I know Han is going to ignore me and write me off as a tunneler but I don't think Kirby's explanation for Lea makes a ton of sense and I would like to know why it does.

I forgot to answer this, but part of playing this game is asking "why" and when Kirby asked "why would ScumLea counter me" he said it didn't make sense from a Scum perspective.

Honestly, Sultan does fill a role atm as a guy who has been pretty on the edge.

I also think Red hasn't convinced me in his potential innocence one iota.

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Kirby321
09/06/22 8:04:23 PM
#218:


Obellisk posted...
that's confusing cause if it's end of day then you can't use the day action at all right?

I assume that just means the stun lasts the entire day but doesn't carry over into night or into the following day.

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HanOfTheNekos
09/06/22 8:05:03 PM
#220:


Obellisk posted...
that's confusing cause if it's end of day then you can't use the day action at all right?

It's not that confusing.

I am stunned. I am no longer stunned at end of day.


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Obellisk
09/06/22 8:06:47 PM
#221:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
It's not that confusing.

I am stunned. I am no longer stunned at end of day.

right but to say you can't use a day action until end of day... well it's end of day, you still can't use a day action at that time anyway.


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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:08:14 PM
#223:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Really, the idea of this ultimate miller existing as some ultimate lesson to town to not meta at all is the most likely scenario?

Lea moved back on and fourth on Kirby several times at Ulti levels of speed. So you completely agree with a point Hb made but it could be made neutral so he's probably scum. What kind of weird logic is that? It was a good point.

There is at least one scum in Kirby/Lea, you are not convincing me otherwise. At this point I'm almost leaning both.

But also shop delayed and I'm not staying up another hour so goodnight
All millers get usually considered as town confirmed, no matter how many. So, it wouldn't be a very good lesson. It's why its funny how little balls our scum players on our board have to claim it.

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HanOfTheNekos
09/06/22 8:08:39 PM
#224:


Yes, but you possess a brain and I assume the cognitive capability to derive what the meaning is, there.

I mean, I could be wrong and it is meant that I am allowed to use any potential day ability or item at the moment day ends but that seems to be pretty unlikely.

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Kirby321
09/06/22 8:08:53 PM
#225:


Corrik7 posted...
All millers get usually considered as town confirmed, no matter how many. So, it wouldn't be a very good lesson. It's why its funny how little balls our scum players on our board have to claim it.

If I get lynched today and flip Miller, what does that say about Lea? Do you think she has the balls to claim Miller as scum?

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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:09:14 PM
#226:


He can't use a day action correct, unless he already did before stunned.

The question is, would someone really wanna confirm Han town that blatantly.

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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:09:26 PM
#227:


Kirby321 posted...
If I get lynched today and flip Miller, what does that say about Lea? Do you think she has the balls to claim Miller as scum?
no.

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HanOfTheNekos
09/06/22 8:09:45 PM
#228:


Corrik7 posted...
He can't use a day action correct, unless he already did before stunned.

The question is, would someone really wanna confirm Han town that blatantly.

I don't think it confirms me Town.

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Obellisk
09/06/22 8:10:23 PM
#229:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Yes, but you possess a brain and I assume the cognitive capability to derive what the meaning is, there.

I mean, I could be wrong and it is meant that I am allowed to use any potential day ability or item at the moment day ends but that seems to be pretty unlikely.

we were told there is a 1 hour twilight period. perhaps you'll be allowed to use actions during that period? (assuming you have any, that is)

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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:10:38 PM
#230:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I don't think it confirms me Town.
Does as much as paralyzing your vote or roleblocking you imo.

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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:11:32 PM
#231:


Obellisk posted...
we were told there is a 1 hour twilight period. perhaps you'll be allowed to use actions during that period? (assuming you have any, that is)
Day actions have to be used 2 hours prior to day ending... that said, I am not sure the host knows what a twilight period is... because it seems like we aren't supposed to talk during it but he is supposed to do stuff during it. Or maybe I am misreading it.


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PoppyTheNinja
09/06/22 8:11:52 PM
#232:


corrik's fixation on the mechanical minutiae of kirby's role is somewhat annoying but feels more like he's trying to legit catch him up on something

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HanOfTheNekos
09/06/22 8:11:57 PM
#233:


Obellisk posted...
we were told there is a 1 hour twilight period. perhaps you'll be allowed to use actions during that period? (assuming you have any, that is)

Ah, then perhaps I can use something during twilight.

My apologies for the somewhat aggressive wording about your cognitive functionality.

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HanOfTheNekos
09/06/22 8:12:16 PM
#234:


Corrik7 posted...
Day actions have to be used 2 hours prior to day ending... that said, I am not sure the host knows what a twilight period is... because it seems like we aren't supposed to talk during it but he is supposed to do stuff during it. Or maybe I am misreading it.
apparently i just need to read the rules again

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Obellisk
09/06/22 8:12:43 PM
#235:


Corrik7 posted...
Day actions have to be used 2 hours prior to day ending... that said, I am not sure the host knows what a twilight period is... because it seems like we aren't supposed to talk during it but he is supposed to do stuff during it. Or maybe I am misreading it.

so I'm just picking and choosing what I actually remember. got it.

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changmas
09/06/22 8:12:59 PM
#236:


Han what happens if you attempt to vote? Does it just not get counted? We can very easily have you prove youre stunned if so.

not that i think youre lying at all, but its just good due diligence

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Obellisk
09/06/22 8:13:33 PM
#238:


Also there is no reason to belive Han being stunned confirms him town.

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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:14:21 PM
#239:


There will be a twilight period of one hour after a stop is called for flavor and resolving of abilities.

I will resolve stops earlier if any occur during the middle of a day without ending a day (for example, if a player is modkilled.)

Day actions, if secret, are due before 6 PM, or two hours before standard end-of-day, and resolve in the order I receive them.
Night actions are due before 7 PM, or one hour before start-of-day, and will resolve after I have determined interactions between who has done what.

You are limited to one day action and one night action only, unless otherwise stated in your role DM or your item's description.

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changmas
09/06/22 8:14:50 PM
#240:


Also i would like to make it known that i am exceedingly confident that Ulti is town**

**if Kirby is scum i am somewhat less confident in this but still fairly confident

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Kirby321
09/06/22 8:15:19 PM
#241:


Obellisk posted...
Also there is no reason to belive Han being stunned confirms him town.

Well, that would imply someone here thinks Han is scum, then.

Or maybe scum Han stunned himself.

... Meh, I'm more willing to believe Han is speaking the truth here, though I do like changmas's proposition for Han to attempt to vote anyway to validate that he is, indeed, stunned.

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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:15:35 PM
#242:


Obellisk posted...
Also there is no reason to belive Han being stunned confirms him town.
Why not? There is no reason to suspect he is scum right now.

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Kirby321
09/06/22 8:18:12 PM
#243:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Perhaps I jumped the gun, but I just assumed I was gonna get lynched by the end of the day and didn't want my item to go to waste. Death seemed like a good candidate given his activity and thoughtful arguments (but maybe I'm also biased since he was one of the few people who agreed with me on several points).

Certainly better than Ulti doing nothing and then trying to persuade me to give him gold despite giving me no reason to trust him. And I don't mean alignment-wise.

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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:18:22 PM
#244:


Just wanna point out repeatedly nothing in the rules states that Kirby can't be compelled to act every night and an item precludes that. In fact, it allows for the exact opposite.

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changmas
09/06/22 8:18:40 PM
#245:


if the stun ability is a scum ability that can be used every day theres a fairly good incentive to use it on another scum player, especially on Day 1. Its almost never going to be used in a useful way on day 1 to actually block any day ability. Might as well use it on your teammate to try and confirm them.

ultimately it should be a nulltell, though Id like Han to confirm he cant vote if it works that way.

also alchemist is a hero that self-stuns sometimes so lemme just throw that flavor out there just in case Im right and i can brag about it later

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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:21:55 PM
#246:


Question moreso is why it was used so late in the day.

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changmas
09/06/22 8:25:20 PM
#247:


ok wait alchemist as a hero is associated with making a shit ton of extra money and his stun.

what if alchemist as a role can either stun himself (and make extra money for doing so) or stun another player for the utility. that's my 4fun prediction here. that role could work for either alignment too i suppose

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HanOfTheNekos
09/06/22 8:28:57 PM
#248:


I asked if I was allowed to vote and was told no.

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Kirby321
09/06/22 8:30:12 PM
#249:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I asked if I was allowed to vote and was told no.

But what if you vote anyway?

What happens if you do ##Vote while stunned? Does your vote count at all? Why not do it anyway to prove that you are stunned and can't vote?

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Corrik7
09/06/22 8:30:39 PM
#250:


Why would you ask instead of just try to vote in topic? lol

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