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DarkRoast
09/15/22 8:31:54 PM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-judge-special-master-dearie-b2168458.html?amp

Is anyone surprised?

And if the doj appeals, it goes to the 11th circuit, which is almost entirely Trump nominees, and if they appeal that, it goes to the supreme court, which is almost entirely Trump nominees.

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COVxy
09/15/22 8:33:47 PM
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The amount of blatant fuckery is astounding.

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LightHawKnight
09/15/22 8:34:34 PM
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Really dont get how any of this is legal.

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DespondentDeity
09/15/22 8:34:45 PM
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Hey you cant win em all or any of em for that matter

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DarkRoast
09/15/22 8:35:50 PM
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Chief among the concerns being addressed are what documents can be voided by executive privilege, even though he doesn't have executive privilege, and which documents can be voided by attorney privilege, even though the attorney literally signed a document saying all of these documents were given to the doj months ago

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DarkRoast
09/15/22 8:36:54 PM
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Honestly, if Trump says he could declassify those documents silently, Biden could then turn around and say he silently reclassified them the day he took office.

Since the chief argument Trump makes is that the president can alter classification without telling anyone, might as well force his hand.

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LightHawKnight
09/15/22 8:38:15 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Honestly, if Trump says he could declassify those documents silently, Biden could then turn around and say he silently reclassified them the day he took office.

But the thing is, classification is the least of the issue.

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BignutzisBack
09/15/22 8:39:28 PM
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It amazes me that people believe over and over that he's going to go to prison smh. I remember people packing the bars getting ready to celebrate during the James Comey saga. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to but be realistic for fuck sake, you really thought a former president was going to end up in a cell?

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DarkRoast
09/15/22 8:39:33 PM
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Also, reminder that this judge actually doesn't even have jurisdiction in this case, and on top of that, Trump's lawyers didn't even file the request correctly, so the judge essentially acted unilaterally.

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LightHawKnight
09/15/22 8:41:09 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
It amazes me that people believe over and over that he's going to go to prison smh. I remember people packing the bars getting ready to celebrate during the James Comey saga. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to but be realistic for fuck sake, you really thought a former president was going to end up in a cell?

Oh I know he isnt going to jail, hell doubt they will even give him a slap on the wrist with how much they are treating this treasonous orange piece of shit with kid gloves. If there was any justice, he would have been behind bars years ago.

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COVxy
09/15/22 8:43:03 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
It amazes me that people believe over and over that he's going to go to prison smh. I remember people packing the bars getting ready to celebrate during the James Comey saga. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to but be realistic for fuck sake, you really thought a former president was going to end up in a cell?

When he literally tries to overthrow the US government? Probably seems like a reasonable expectation.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/15/22 8:44:04 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
But the thing is, classification is the least of the issue.
Especially if to classify something that would not exist if it had to be something else...

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DarkRoast
09/15/22 8:46:24 PM
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For what it's worth, she did actually make some surprising nods to the doj. For one, Trump has to pay 100% of the fees associated with the special master. She also restricted the review to only the classified documents, which doesn't really make a lot of sense and if anything is actually something that hurts Trump quite a lot. She's basically saying the special Master is only reviewing to see if he can assert executive privilege over the documents. In that capacity, the Supreme Court has already ruled in the past that a former president no longer has executive privilege.

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Cheater87
09/15/22 8:47:06 PM
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That isn't biased at all!!! -_-

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theAteam
09/15/22 8:50:05 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Really dont get how any of this is legal.

It's astounding how many holes have been poked in our entire system by one person.

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LightHawKnight
09/15/22 8:51:23 PM
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theAteam posted...
It's astounding how many holes have been poked in our entire system by one person.

And no one with the power to do anything is doing anything of use to defend it.

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DarkChozoGhost
09/15/22 8:55:55 PM
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She really should be disbarred

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Irony
09/15/22 8:59:26 PM
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We already knew this would happen

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PoundGarden
09/15/22 9:04:24 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Really dont get how any of this is legal.

It's alright when it's alt right

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IfGodCouldDie
09/15/22 9:05:48 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
For what it's worth, she did actually make some surprising nods to the doj. For one, Trump has to pay 100% of the fees associated with the special master. She also restricted the review to only the classified documents, which doesn't really make a lot of sense and if anything is actually something that hurts Trump quite a lot. She's basically saying the special Master is only reviewing to see if he can assert executive privilege over the documents. In that capacity, the Supreme Court has already ruled in the past that a former president no longer has executive privilege.
Sounds less dire than the OP made it all seem, which is a positive. Granted I'm not at all versed in law at all.

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VigorouslySwish
09/15/22 9:06:35 PM
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theAteam posted...
It's astounding how many holes have been poked in our entire system by one person.

As much as I hate the man, I cant help but respect his ability to completely manipulate everything around him

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VigorouslySwish
09/15/22 9:07:08 PM
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Like hes not even THAT rich anymore, hes just THAT good at manipulation

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MrMallard
09/15/22 9:07:14 PM
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I want to say something like "good job, you lost the fucking country", but most of you didn't ask for this. It wouldn't be fair.

Fucking shit state of affairs though. I feel for you guys.

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Null_Gain
09/15/22 9:07:54 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
For what it's worth, she did actually make some surprising nods to the doj. For one, Trump has to pay 100% of the fees associated with the special master. She also restricted the review to only the classified documents, which doesn't really make a lot of sense and if anything is actually something that hurts Trump quite a lot. She's basically saying the special Master is only reviewing to see if he can assert executive privilege over the documents. In that capacity, the Supreme Court has already ruled in the past that a former president no longer has executive privilege.

So all he has to do is let them do their job and refuse to pay them afterwards. Which has been his MO his entire life.

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LightHawKnight
09/15/22 9:09:33 PM
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VigorouslySwish posted...
As much as I hate the man, I cant help but respect his ability to completely manipulate everything around him

Is he even that good? It is more that everyone was bending over backwards stupid to do his bidding for some reason. Even though he has shown and proven that he will backstab anyone and everyone who works for him.

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VigorouslySwish
09/15/22 9:10:40 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Is he even that good? It is more that everyone was bending over backwards stupid to do his bidding for some reason. Even though he has shown and proven that he will backstab anyone and everyone who works for him.

Bro you literally just defined a master manipulator lol

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IfGodCouldDie
09/15/22 9:11:48 PM
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VigorouslySwish posted...
As much as I hate the man, I cant help but respect his ability to completely manipulate everything around him
Thats not something to respect.

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VIXVLV
09/15/22 9:14:11 PM
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VigorouslySwish posted...
Bro you literally just defined a master manipulator lol

You don't have to he a master manipulator if people just see you as a dumb schmuck who is likely to have high level control over a world power.

People only follow Trump because they see their own opportunity. You sucking his dick doesn't change that lol.
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VigorouslySwish
09/15/22 9:15:48 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
Thats not something to respect.

I can respect the outstanding best of anything at all. Even serial killers.

Doesnt mean I like them though. Respect is not the same as likability. I respect Hitler for his ability to manipulate as well, but Id delete him from history in a heartbeat if I could.

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FigureOfSpeech
09/15/22 9:19:59 PM
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This topic went from a worthwhile discussion to a trainwreck in 3 words.

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LightHawKnight
09/15/22 9:21:58 PM
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VigorouslySwish posted...
Bro you literally just defined a master manipulator lol

But he isnt doing any manipulation. He is just saying stupid stuff and people bend over backwards to do it for some stupid ass reason. He isnt even trying.

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IfGodCouldDie
09/15/22 9:25:23 PM
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VigorouslySwish posted...
I can respect the outstanding best of anything at all. Even serial killers.

Doesnt mean I like them though. Respect is not the same as likability. I respect Hitler for his ability to manipulate as well, but Id delete him from history in a heartbeat if I could.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/1/8/AANZX9AADrWy.jpg

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VigorouslySwish
09/15/22 9:25:33 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
But he isnt doing any manipulation. He is just saying stupid stuff and people bend over backwards to do it for some stupid ass reason. He isnt even trying.

That is manipulation in a nutshell. Hes just so good at it he doesnt even need to try. Hes been pulling it off his whole life. Many red politicians have tried to pull off what he has and failed. He was the first one smart enough to tap into trolling on social media, that was the big difference imo

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VigorouslySwish
09/15/22 9:27:14 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/1/8/AANZX9AADrWy.jpg

anyone who appreciates history has a pocket of respect for hitler. Again, doesnt mean they like the guy, but what he pulled off was astoundingin the worst way possible, of course, but still astounding

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VIXVLV
09/15/22 9:27:34 PM
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VigorouslySwish posted...
He was [snip] smart enough

I hope you don't expect anybody to take you seriously.
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VigorouslySwish
09/15/22 9:30:41 PM
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VIXVLV posted...
I hope you don't expect anybody to take you seriously.

see youre falling for his shit just as much as the people that love him

he is smart. He knows damn well what hes saying and doing is scummy and horrible, but he knows how to tap into the worst of humanity and make it work for him

he is unbelievably selfish and would throw anyone under the bus, and has done so MANY times. Yet people still follow. That is master manipulation

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LightHawKnight
09/15/22 9:31:26 PM
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VigorouslySwish posted...
That is manipulation in a nutshell. Hes just so good at it he doesnt even need to try. Hes been pulling it off his whole life. Many red politicians have tried to pull off what he has and failed. He was the first one smart enough to tap into trolling on social media, that was the big difference imo

You need a plan to manipulate. He literally says stupid shit. Does stupid shit. And idiots lap that up for some fucking reason.

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VIXVLV
09/15/22 9:33:32 PM
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VigorouslySwish posted...
see youre falling for his shit just as much as the people that love him

he is smart. He knows damn well what hes saying and doing is scummy and horrible, but he knows how to tap into the worst of humanity and make it work for him

he is unbelievably selfish and would throw anyone under the bus, and has done so MANY times. Yet people still follow. That is master manipulation

Dude's a fucking moron. Absolutely certified moron.

It's just that the same is true for the majority of the US constituency.

You ain't coming off so hot yourself lol.
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UnholyMudcrab
09/15/22 9:35:50 PM
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Trump singlehandedly ruined the justice system. The sheer damage that a single bad actor can do to a system that it turns out is mostly just based on good faith is astonishing.

And how terribly fucking convenient that the review needs to be completed by November 30th. Not like anything important is happening earlier that month anyway.

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BearlyWilling
09/15/22 10:06:04 PM
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FigureOfSpeech posted...
This topic went from a worthwhile discussion to a trainwreck in 3 words.
Seriously

yikes

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FigureOfSpeech
09/15/22 10:15:40 PM
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VigorouslySwish posted...
he is smart

no, fuck off.

he is saavy enough to recognize and exploit those even less intelligent than he is.

It's toddler-level manipulation and he never graduated from it... the only argument you can make is that he never had to, which is a fair argument.

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YellowSUV
09/15/22 10:43:41 PM
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Daily reminder the legal system does not apply to the wealthy.... unless they fuck over another wealthy person.

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ElatedVenusaur
09/15/22 10:47:54 PM
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Just a reality check: our legal system has almost never held the rich and powerful accountable for their actions. If Trump goes down for this somehow, he'll be the first President to ever face real consequences for his actions.
I mean, fuck, even a roundly hated ghoul like Nixon got off scot-free! That was really the one chance we had to set a new precedent, but unfortunately the unelected dumb ass, Gerry Ford, who Nixon had appointed vice president after Agnew went down for being hilariously corrupt ruined all that.

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VigorouslySwish
09/15/22 11:31:43 PM
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You guys are fucking nuts to not acknowledge his smarts. He pretends to be a moron and it works. If he was truly an idiot how the fuck could he pull off every bit of bullshit that he has pulled off?

Dude knows what he is doing, and it has nothing to do with what he preaches. Hes a huuuge piece of shit, but he knows what hes doing

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VigorouslySwish
09/15/22 11:32:56 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Just a reality check: our legal system has almost never held the rich and powerful accountable for their actions. If Trump goes down for this somehow, he'll be the first President to ever face real consequences for his actions.
I mean, fuck, even a roundly hated ghoul like Nixon got off scot-free! That was really the one chance we had to set a new precedent, but unfortunately the unelected dumb ass, Gerry Ford, who Nixon had appointed vice president after Agnew went down for being hilariously corrupt ruined all that.

any legal system in history doesnt hold them accountable


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