Current Events > Star Wars The Last Jedi is the movie that impacted our culture the hardest

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We're always talking about it on the internet. I know all of the characters and story beats due to the constant discussion of casino planets and military tactics.

Thank you Rian Johnson. Take a note James Cameron.

Avatar has a few things to learn from Ghostbusters 2016 too

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lol accurate.

Maybe he saw killing Luke as his ticket to infamy and haphazardly threw the rest together around it to cover his true intent.

Define "our".

Define "culture".

CyricZ posted...

Define "our".

Define "culture".

No.

TLJ was great, the obsessed fan reaction and studio overreaction to it killed Star Wars.

Nah. The sequel trilogy as a whole just kinda came and went.

lilORANG posted...

Nah. The sequel trilogy as a whole just kinda came and went.

This. In 20 years no one will be talking about it, but people will definitely still be talking about the OT and probably the PT even.

Pretty good movie too

The movie that had the biggest cultural impact was Spy Kids 3D: Game Over.

Remember how nobody gave a shit about 3D movies and then Robert Rodriguez is like "hey guys! Sylvester Stallone has DID and lives in a video game!" and then suddenly James Cameron wants to make high rez smurf porn, and here we are today

Probably T2

As for video games anyway

The world has consistently gone downhill after it came out

Punished_Blinx posted...

No.

I mean if you aren't going to define your terms then there isn't much point in discussing anything with you.

ScazarMeltex posted...

I mean if you aren't going to define your terms then there isn't much point in discussing anything with you.

Ok.

ScazarMeltex posted...

I mean if you aren't going to define your terms then there isn't much point in discussing anything with you.

Uh oh tc you won't get to argue with these guys over nothing all night now

I didn't like the new movies very much . And I really wanted to .

I have watched the collection of Mark Hamill shitting on the new movies twice and it's hilarious. He's genuinely disgusted with what they did to his beloved character .

Not getting all 3 of Luke , Han , and Leia on screen for a final farewell and reunion is such a fucked up oversight it's not even funny. There was an absolutely epic amount of potential there .

Last Jedi was probably the best of the sequel trilogy in retrospect.

I kinda think it's the other way around for pre-T2 stuff. Video games shaped a ton of perception, and were all like Disney/anime influenced for the most part. You used to get a lot of games trying to be Star Wars too, or look like clay or a painting. They were cartoonish for the most part. Id say the T-1000 is absolutely integral to early 3D modeling in games. After they perfected it you started to see like GTA3 and MGS2 which are much more comparable to T2. The early 3D stuff was still in the shadow of Bug's Life or whatever, and a cartoon

Smackems posted...

Uh oh tc you won't get to argue with these guys over nothing all night now

If you haven't argued about the cultural relevance of blockbuster movies on the internet have you even really lived?

I admit there's some clumsiness in TLJ, but a lot of it feels like a consequence of editing. The story isn't bad by any means, but it's a little disjointed and some motivations aren't clear.

That said, I love the Luke stuff, and Benicio del Toro's character (DJ) is very interesting. I love looks into the outlaws and neutral parties of Star Wars.

Punished_Blinx posted...

If you haven't argued about the cultural relevance of blockbuster movies on the internet have you even really lived?

That's now what they wanted though

You know what they wanted to fight about

They want to tie it into why you're a bad person or whatever because you don't see eye to eye

Rassiter posted...

He's genuinely disgusted with what they did to his beloved character .

Nope.

https://twitter.com/MarkHamill/status/945784443964309505

Inb4"hE wAs PaId OfF tO sAy ThAt!"

My only problem with how they handled Luke is that we barely got to see any of it.

Like cut out 90% of that Casino Night Zone bullshit and give us a few more flashbacks of the tension growing between Luke and Kylo at the jedi school building up to his fuckup.

Or hell come to think of it they couldve cut out the casino planet entirely and just had Poe, Rose, and Finn play Super Smash Bros and it still wouldve been better movie lol

Kim_Seong-a posted...

give us a few more flashbacks of the tension growing between Luke and Kylo at the jedi school building up to his fuckup.

This is one of the few criticisms I can agree with. We should've gotten flashbacks of Ben's training that showed his moments of darkness, such as getting tagged in a sparring match against another student and going berserk, or using Force Choke on someone.

Mandalorian/Baby Yoda is literally more memorable than the whole trilogy.

Visions as a whole was more enjoyable too.

Smackems posted...

Uh oh tc you won't get to argue with these guys over nothing all night now

Hey man, he's the guy who made the topic

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I admit there's some clumsiness in TLJ, but a lot of it feels like a consequence of editing. The story isn't bad by any means, but it's a little disjointed and some motivations aren't clear.

That said, I love the Luke stuff, and Benicio del Toro's character (DJ) is very interesting. I love looks into the outlaws and neutral parties of Star Wars.

I think the core problem is that it ran feom action set piece to action set piece without really taking the time to set up the characters properly.

Take Holdo as an example. All we get is that she's a famous commander who has won battles. Ok. But part of your role in commanding a ship is knowing your personnel. It's also keeping your officers in the loop. Poe is a known hothead. So if you know that, as a good leader, you would probably know that maybe keeping the dude in the dark is a bad plan. Maybe she's a good tactician but bad at managing personnel, that happens, but then maybe you should let the audience see that. Problem is we are busy rushing to the next bit of action to let the characters get developed or breath a bit.

All the Luke and Rey stuff was fine, I found Luke's philosophy of why the Jedi had failed and needed to end engaging. Along with the whole Snoke is irrelevant and Rey has no parentage of concern I felt like there was an interesting direction being taken. Then the third film came out and was like "lol nah".

People complain about the hamfisted nature of the Del Toro character commentary on war profiteering but what else were they supposed to do if they wanted to make that point, because as I said earlier the focus is on action set pieces, not dialogue or character development.

My real complaint with the movie beyond those minor issues is that they pretty much just undid it in the next movie because of the screeching from the fanbase.

Monferno_AQW posted...

Nope.

https://twitter.com/MarkHamill/status/945784443964309505

Inb4"hE wAs PaId OfF tO sAy ThAt!"

I'm not sure if you're serious but it seems you are. I see your link and I raise you.

https://youtu.be/WKlo-plLJZI

Morbius though

ScazarMeltex posted...

My real complaint with the movie beyond those minor issues is that they pretty much just undid it in the next movie because of the screeching from the fanbase.

Honestly I think everything was going great up until Episode IX. That's when they needed to stick the landing the most, but they botched it reaaaallly badly. It wasn't a terrible movie, but it was a really disappointing way to finish that trilogy.

In my opinion, and I've been believing it more and more with each new project...Star Wars has gotten too big for movie theaters. The complexity and vastness of its universe isn't served by two hours of content every two years. It needs lots of time to build characters, establish moving parts, explore different aspects of society, etc.

Star Wars essentially MUST be conveyed via the TV series format from now on.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Honestly I think everything was going great up until Episode IX. That's when they needed to stick the landing the most, but they botched it reaaaallly badly. It wasn't a terrible movie, but it was a really disappointing way to finish that trilogy.

In my opinion, and I've been believing it more and more with each new project...Star Wars has gotten too big for movie theaters. The complexity and vastness of its universe isn't served by two hours of content every two years. It needs lots of time to build characters, establish moving parts, explore different aspects of society, etc.

Star Wars essentially MUST be conveyed via the TV series format from now on.

I think you can tell some of the stories in a film style narrative. Like Rogue One worked fine, it told the story it needed to tell and was done, but for the most part I think you are correct. Long form storytelling suits the franchise better I think.

TLJ killed my interest for Star Wars. Pretty but nonsensical film. Even Marc Hamill disliked it.

ScazarMeltex posted...

I think you can tell some of the stories in a film style narrative. Like Rogue One worked fine

Yeah, that's a good point. Some stories that are too "short" to be a full series can still be movies...but the main ongoing plot is too much for a couple of movies to adequately develop. The new trilogy took 6 years to come out, but only had 6 hours of runtime and felt...

Very undercooked. The major story beats were fine(ish), but the characters didn't feel adequately developed or explored. In a movie, characters like Finn, Poe, and Rose feel like they're just tacked on. In a series, they can get whole episodes/arcs dedicated to fleshing them out. Poe and his, like, ex girlfriend in episode IX hinted at a neat history, but in the space of a ~2 hour movie, there was barely any room to shove the exposition in.

Rassiter posted...

I'm not sure if you're serious but it seems you are. I see your link and I raise you.

https://youtu.be/WKlo-plLJZI

I am serious about it. I've watched that video before and I disagree with the whole idea--hell, CONSPIRACY--that Hamill was trying to "warn" folks about the ST. And I will not buy into these crap conspiracies that Hamill hates the films. He has been vocal about and has both criticized and praised the films. Criticize=/=hate.

Monferno_AQW posted...

I am serious about it. I've watched that video before and I disagree with the whole idea--hell, CONSPIRACY--that Hamill was trying to "warn" folks about the ST. And I will not buy into these crap conspiracies that Hamill hates the films. He has been vocal about and has both criticized and praised the films. Criticize=/=hate.

So you disagree with what Hamill himself said about his role , multiple times , over a period of years ? I didn't say he hated them , I said he was disgusted by what they did to Luke. "A Jedi doesn't give up" . It really couldn't be any more obvious he didn't like it , I am surprised you can't see it .

Rassiter posted...

"A Jedi doesn't give up"

Other than Obi-Wan
And Yoda
And Ahsoka
And...

Youre correct but in a negative way, terrible movie.

Rassiter posted...

"A Jedi doesn't give up"

Which is a wrong take, to be honest.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Other than Obi-Wan
And Yoda
And Ahsoka
And...

That's a quote Mark Hamill repeatedly makes in the video , expressing his displeasure over the new trilogy making him say , the time of the Jedi is over .

Luke brought balance to the Force and redeemed his father , he would never "give up" over Kylo Rens temper tantrums . The whole shit is stupid imo , by this time Luke was a Jedi master and so strong in the force he could beat Rey and her whole crew blindfolded . She never even had formal lightsaber training and she kicked his ass. This is one of many criticisms with those movies .

Rassiter posted...

So you disagree with what Hamill himself said about his role , multiple times , over a period of years ? I didn't say he hated them , I said he was disgusted by what they did to Luke. "A Jedi doesn't give up" . It really couldn't be any more obvious he didn't like it , I am surprised you can't see it .

I did NOT say that I disagree with what Hamill himself has said. Don't put words in my mouth. What I disagree with is the message that that video is trying to send.

Yes, he admits he disagreed with what Johnson wanted to do with Luke at first, but he admitted that he changed his mind after seeing the finished film. Which is what was in my original post to begin with.

Rassiter posted...

The whole shit is stupid imo , by this time Luke was a Jedi master and so strong in the force he could beat Rey and her whole crew blindfolded .

Source?

Rassiter posted...

by this time Luke was a Jedi master and so strong in the force he could beat Rey and her whole crew blindfolded. She never even had formal lightsaber training and she kicked his ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfGuecGfhas

By "kicked his ass", you mean sucker-punched him from behind? Or when she called for the lightsaber AFTER he made a fool of her and disarmed her?

Monferno_AQW posted...

I did NOT say that I disagree with what Hamill himself has said. Don't put words in my mouth. What I disagree with is the message that that video is trying to send.

Yes, he admits he disagreed with what Johnson wanted to do with Luke at first, but he admitted that he changed his mind after seeing the finished film. Which is what was in my original post to begin with.

Yea he didn't change his mind , he just said that shit to smooth things over . And it's so obvious , he is seen in the video you said you watched repeatedly complaining about his role at fan conventions , in interviews , basically anytime someone stuck a microphone in his face .

You're comparing one tweet to half an hour of his griping and acting like they are equal . At one point he acted like he didn't even know Rey's actress name . Look at his face ffs

Rassiter posted...

Yea he didn't change his mind , he just said that shit to smooth things over.

Yep, this confirms everything I was saying. Here we have it: "hE wAs PaId OfF tO sAy ThAt!" Or a variation of it, at least. Anything at all to make yourself feel better about it, I guess.

Harrison Ford and Alec Guinness don't give a shit about the Star Wars story at all. They would get angry if you tried to talk to them about it.

Why don't we follow their example

Punished_Blinx posted...

Source?

Star wars canon . He was at least a Jedi knight by the time he fought Vader , who is considered one of the most powerful Jedi of all time. And then obviously a Sith Lord .

Are you trying to insinuate Luke wasn't more powerful than Rey ? Someone with barely any training who just seems to know how to do everything right away .

You say that as if Marvel movies didn't make STAR WARS do a "They fly now?" Joss Whedon joke.

Rassiter posted...

Are you trying to insinuate Luke wasn't more powerful than Rey ? Someone with barely any training who just seems to know how to do everything right away .

Yes. Rey is just that good. Luke was a great teacher.