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Did Blizzard not publish Immortal?

I like how Kyuubi never returned to defend his horrible take lol

I don't mind overwatch 1 being dead. It's redundant to have it up at this point.

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I'm sorry, the correct answer is "yes, Blizzard did publish Immortal." Better luck next time.

However much you want to cling to the fantasy that, because Blizzard outsource Immortal's development to NetEase, it means it doesn't count as a real Blizzard game, Blizzard chose to publish it. Everything that we see as being wrong with Diablo Immortal is something Blizzard not only signed off on, but specifically requested because they knew the potential it held to make them ludicrous amounts of money. Diablo Immortal is the game Blizzard wanted.

I don't know if you're grasping at pedantic straws because you don't want to admit that the Blizzard that put out some of your favourite games from the late 90's/early 2000's is dead, but the fact of the matter is that that company is dead. Its management has fully embraced the dystopian capitalist cesspool that is the modern AAA video game industry and its exploitative monetization. The only way they're going to let their developers create a game that isn't designed to manipulate as much extra revenue out of players as possible is if they feel like they need to do so to recover from bad PR that would otherwise hurt their next project's revenue (see: Starcraft and Diablo 2 remakes). That's just the reality of Blizzard in 2022 (and, in truth, has been the reality of Blizzard since ~2010, with the decision to hamstring Diablo 3's loot system so they could cash in on RMT more efficiently).

But you didn't say "Blizzard published Immortal" you said
adjl posted...

They also made Diablo Immortal.

Publishing isn't making. You are wrong. But we all know you are literally incapable of ever admitting it.

the board is chippy tonight!

DirtBasedSoap posted...

the board is chippy tonight!

Chippy dudes rock

GanonsSpirit posted...

But you didn't say "Blizzard published Immortal" you said

Publishing isn't making. You are wrong. But we all know you are literally incapable of ever admitting it.

Damn, Adjl is getting worse at trying to argue a point... he cant even remember what he posted, let alone admit that he doesnt even know what hes talking about half of the time.

adjl is probably rethinking his entire life right now. dude got absolutely rekt

GanonsSpirit posted...

Publishing isn't making. You are wrong.

Nah bro, it still is. It's not "developing," but it's still making. They provided the money, they helped it get made. They helped make it.

Often times the publisher does get involved in the development.

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You clearly don't understand how comparisons work

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What

im def on team blizzard made immortal, implying they had nothing to do with the game is just stupid, even if they didnt do the actual programming

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What an odd comparison.

I'm inclined to agree with adjl that "made" and "developed" aren't really synonyms. It's very commonplace to say that a publisher made a game title.

papercup posted...

I like how Kyuubi never returned to defend his horrible take lol

He's stupid, but not stupid enough to bury himself further.

GanonsSpirit posted...

But you didn't say "Blizzard published Immortal" you said

Publishing isn't making. You are wrong. But we all know you are literally incapable of ever admitting it.

"Making" refers to the total process of creating a game. Publishing is a part of that, as is contracting a studio to develop the game you want to make and making sure that development is progressing according to your desired outcomes. Heck, if anything, Blizzard is probably more to blame for Immortal's issues than NetEase is, given that they would have been the ones dictating what sort of monetization should have gone in. The part that is actually a half-passable game is actually something NetEase should be credited for, because I very much doubt Blizzard did anything to contribute to that beyond loaning them the IP.

If you really want to die on that pedantic hill, that's your prerogative, but given that the broader discussion is about Blizzard as a company and not any specific one of their development teams, attributing Immortal to them with no regard for who actually did the development is pretty reasonable and nobody is actually going to be confused by my word choice. To that end, I'm not sure why anyone would care enough to bring it up, speaking as an insufferable pedant myself, but you do you.

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Not really. Like, at all. It's a completely accurate statement because the publisher very often does provide quite a bit of direction to the development process. That direction often hurts the final product (especially in the AAA sphere) because it amounts to "stop trying to make the game you think will be good and make the game I think will be profitable instead," which often leads to the game being designed around more monetization and/or shoehorned into chasing current market trends instead of what the development team is actually good at (see: Anthem), but it's nevertheless very commonly a thing that happens.

Meanwhile, I don't even know what analogy you're trying to create, except the very, very loose association of saying that higher-ups have something to do with the labour of the peasantry (which... is also true in a broader sense and the wealth's failure to trickle down doesn't change that).

arguments over semantics are always the most fun thing in the world to read.

adj isn't wrong though, it was co-developed by blizzard and netease

not just developed by netease and published by blizzard.

immortal actually had the diablo 3 team behind it

so

neteases main contribution was implementing mtx schemes and making sure the game was able to be played in china since china passed all those anti-gaming laws

This is a silly argument

Let's go back to bashing Overwatch 2

Sombra's hack lasting only one second is bullshit

So Aim assist is removed for console players when playing with PC players for some reason and doing so makes it almost impossible for those on Console to play well, Played with some console friends(some of which were Diamond on OW1) and they were struggling to get more than 8 kills a game(For the DPS ones) and were getting mopped up by everyone, out of 8 games we didn't win a single quickplay and I was Team MVP every game. Playing with PC players is a massive punishment as it remoevs the only thing that has a chance to equalize the discrepancy between K&M and controller

https://i.redd.it/yj7fje4w62t91.jpg

Bastion was removed cus his ult is broken XD

papercup posted...

https://i.redd.it/yj7fje4w62t91.jpg

Bastion was removed cus his ult is broken XD

bruh

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/6/AAFUswAADxFy.jpg

Bastion was bullshit tho.

Bastion was awesome, but Hades was better.

i still listen to that soundtrack sometimes. <3

adjl posted...

Bastion was awesome, but Hades was better.

Bastion had more of a narrative arc...Hades just kind of fizzles out