Current Events > All schools should teach children about LGBTQ+ people

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Sayoria posted...

My point is, people are making a fuss about just teaching kids of the existance of gay people and trans people.

Then question, why is there a fuss for this when we teach kids that men and women go together?

Then pull it together that the answer for the last question is because it is a sexual topic.

Therefore, the people claiming that gay and trans issues shouldn't be taught are in turn, making the whole thing sexual when it doesn't need to be.

I think I see your point, and I think I agree. Im just having issues interpreting the bolded line, specifically the term go together.

If we tell kids it's ok for women and men to be together we should teach them about other orientations as well.

If we can't teach them about LGBTQ then we shouldn't teach them about men/women relationships. All or nothing.

What do kids need to be taught about it? I mean dont they figure it out on their own

AloneIBreak posted...

Preschool.

that's too young and should be up to prarents at that age, not all parents are haters

googs19 posted...

"It should totally be the parents choice if they want to raise their children to hateful bigots!"

not all parents are like that

stuff like dont say gay bill is wrong. Taking 5 year olds to a pride parade and have them see a guy in a thong doing hip thrusts is not right either.

the answer, as usual, lies in the middle. Perhaps you dont tell 5 year olds this is a guy who is sexually attracted to other men, like an outright thing. The key lies in normalizing.

you dont teach 5 year olds about sexual attraction or obergefell. No one has a heterosexuality topic in kindergarten or elementary school curriculums. These topics are just part of life and implied as normal, because they are normal.

homosexuslity is just that, a sexual orientation. You can be gay and not necessarily talk, dress or behave like say, Elton John. You could. But you could also be like the mountain from game of thrones and still like men.

so maybe you have some story books like Pinocchio, sleeping beauty, toy story, etc for the kids, and maybe one of those books is just like those but it happens to have two kings or a a female wizard that did whatever wizards in fairy tales do, but that happens to be married to another female wizard. Theyre not the main focus of the story, or delve into that, its just a normal secondary aspect to the story make it normal.

Bass2 posted...

Ive noticed that Christians have been quiet lately. Maybe they are still outspoken in some areas of the world but Ive not heard of anything. I assume their outrage has been defeated and/or theyve become more accepting.

a true Christian is accepting and loves everyone but they still have to teach the Bible

thx1138 posted...

What do kids need to be taught about it? I mean dont they figure it out on their own

Generally speaking that would be ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world. We live in a world which demonizes LGBTQ+ people, and it is absolutely necessary to take measures to correct this. Properly educating children is a very important step to deprogramming society.

Scohen posted...

stuff like dont say gay bill is wrong. Taking 5 year olds to a pride parade and have them see a guy in a thong doing hip thrusts is not right either.

the answer, as usual, lies in the middle. Perhaps you dont tell 5 year olds this is a guy who is sexually attracted to other men, like an outright thing. The key lies in normalizing.

you dont teach 5 year olds about sexual attraction or obergefell. No one has a heterosexuality topic in kindergarten or elementary school curriculums. These topics are just part of life and implied as normal, because they are normal.

homosexuslity is just that, a sexual orientation. You can be gay and not necessarily talk, dress or behave like say, Elton John. You could. But you could also be like the mountain from game of thrones and still like men.

so maybe you have some story books like Pinocchio, sleeping beauty, toy story, etc for the kids, and maybe one of those books is just like those but it happens to have two kings or a a female wizard that did whatever wizards in fairy tales do, but that happens to be married to another female wizard. Theyre not the main focus of the story, or delve into that, its just a normal secondary aspect to the story make it normal.

basically, that's why stuff like TOH or Steven Universe portraying same-sex relationships without calling it out as something different is important. Though there is a lack of male same-sex ones for major characters by comparison

Scohen posted...

stuff like dont say gay bill is wrong. Taking 5 year olds to a pride parade and have them see a guy in a thong doing hip thrusts is not right either.

the answer, as usual, lies in the middle.

If you compare how extreme each "side" in your argument is, the middle lies somewhere in the "calling gay people slurs is okay" territory.

Scohen posted...

you dont teach 5 year olds about sexual attraction or obergefell. No one has a heterosexuality topic in kindergarten or elementary school curriculums. These topics are just part of life and implied as normal, because they are normal.

Kids have crushes. Are those not expressions of attraction?

ZMythos posted...

If you compare how extreme each "side" in your argument is, the middle lies somewhere in the "calling gay people slurs is okay" territory.

Kids have crushes. Are those not expressions of attraction?

i dont think 5 year olds have crushes

thx1138 posted...

i dont think 5 year olds have crushes

I certainly did. I had a crush on my teacher, and on several girls in my kindergarten/ first grade classes.

And I highly doubt that I'm the exception here.

ZMythos posted...

Kids have crushes. Are those not expressions of attraction?

I think they mean that attraction/romance is not something that's usually outright taught about, but something that just comes up when talking

ZMythos posted...

I certainly did. I had a crush on my teacher, and on several girls in my kindergarten/ first grade classes.

And I highly doubt that I'm the exception here.

i think i was 10 or older before I had a crush or was even interested

I also think it's disingenuous to restrict this dialogue to 5 year old kids since the broader conversation incorporates ages through middle school.

We talk about crushes, cooties, kisses, and hugs from a very early age when talking about affection and attraction. Kids are exposed to these things when young, so I think they can handle same sex attraction and affection

As a part of sex ed, but I don't necessarily see why otherwise. I'd be all for schools teaching something about the fight for LGBT rights/acceptance as a part of history class but I don't see why it's necessary to teach them it exists. Between same sex relationships in media becoming more prevalent and access to the internet being more widespread, they're going to learn about this stuff by interacting with people in the LGBT community which is much healthier and more effective.

I mean, sure, slip it in there. Have activities that are inclusive of all types of families and relationships that normalize it. But if you're talking about specifically teaching about it for it's own sake? I probably would disagree.

mehmeh1 posted...

I think they mean that attraction/romance is not something that's usually outright taught about, but something that just comes up when talking

Except on a larger scale we're talking about one side of the aisle wanting to censor all discussionof same sex relationships, regardless of if the subject comes up "organically" or not.

Last I checked this was included in sex ed, atleast in my school it was.

ZMythos posted...

Except on a larger scale we're talking about one side of the aisle wanting to censor all discussionof same sex relationships, regardless of if the subject comes up "organically" or not.

ah yeah stuff like "Don't say gay" is crazy and awful, just saying that not sure where exactly it could be put in as a focal point of teaching.

AtelierGaming86 posted...

Starting in middle school might be good

I knew about straight people before middle school

It would have been great to know that trans people are a thing before I endured the wrong puberty, a trauma so terrible I'm only just getting over it ~20 years later.

Scohen posted...

stuff like dont say gay bill is wrong. Taking 5 year olds to a pride parade and have them see a guy in a thong doing hip thrusts is not right either.

Are they taking their children to a pride event specifically to see guys hip thrusting in thongs? Would you be appalled if parents took a child somewhere that a scantily clad woman also happened to attend?

I was at a pride event two weeks ago. Yes, there were some people in very little clothing, but there was also a large youth area and most people in general were modestly dressed.

Deutschenlied posted...

Are they taking their children to a pride event specifically to see guys hip thrusting in thongs? Would you be appalled if parents took a child somewhere that a scantily clad woman also happened to attend?

I was at a pride event two weeks ago. Yes, there were some people in very little clothing, but there was also a large youth area and most people in general were modestly dressed.

last I checked you have to be 18 to go to a strip club. If someone is taking male kids to a strip club child protection services needs to know about it.

i dont know how anyone can object to a statement like kids should not see sexualized situations, whether Herero or not.

Too early at 5. This is a high school/ middle school subject.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Whose alt?

Why am I an alt?

I just think our education system, in the USA, is so broken already and simply adding something correct(like the topic title) wouldn't fix all the issues. Classes on things like taxes, or actual stuff we'll use in our life, would be great.

RustyAxe posted...

Why am I an alt?

I don't know why you're an alt, but I do know that you are an alt.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I don't know why you're an alt, but I do know that you are an alt.

Just because I think the education system is broken doesn't mean I'm alt or goth or emo or whatever you're saying, it's just a way of thinking.

The USA doesn't even have healthcare. It isn't alt to think our society is fucked up.

RustyAxe posted...

doesn't mean I'm alt or goth or emo or whatever you're saying

Nobody's buying this shtick, bro.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Nobody's buying this shtick, bro.

What are you talking about?

RustyAxe posted...

What are you talking about?

You already know what an alt is, and it's embarrassing for you to pretend you don't.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

You already know what an alt is, and it's embarrassing for you to pretend you don't.

An alt what dude? Why do you need to tap dance around whatever you're trying to insinuate?

Why do people have a problem with teaching the next generation about a marginalized people that exist and are important parts of society?

Imagine not giving a voice to 7 out of 100 people.

A group of people who are running for the school board in my county want to teach all children that there are only 2 genders and LGBTQ people don't really exist.

RustyAxe posted...

An alt what dude? Why do you need to tap dance around whatever you're trying to insinuate?

Shut the fuck up.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Shut the fuck up.

What is your problem dude?

I think his problem is that someone is so insincere that they think pretending to mistake accusations of being an alt account as an accusation of being part of a subculture is supposed to be convincing.

_Krave_ posted...

Why do people have a problem with teaching the next generation about a marginalized people that exist and are important parts of society?

Imagine not giving a voice to 7 out of 100 people.

Because the younger you teach kids that those people exist, the harder it is to convince them that they're not worthy of the same human decency as everyone else.

That's why it's "wait until high school". Which turns into "wait until they're 18". Which turns into "We never had gay people in my schools!"

Umbreon posted...

I think his problem is that someone is so insincere that they think pretending to mistake accusations of being an alt account as an accusation of being part of a subculture is supposed to be convincing.

Because the younger you teach kids that those people exist, the harder it is to convince them that they're not worthy of the same human decency as everyone else.

That's why it's "wait until high school". Which turns into "wait until they're 18". Which turns into "We never had gay people in my schools!"

I assumed he meant alt like goths because I 'hate the world' or whatever, that's what alt actually means. I'm not on an alt account, I'm on a new account. Wjy is this guy trying to play internet police or something? I'm not even being insincere, I'm just not on GameFAQs constantly and haven't been in awhile.

RustyAxe posted...

I'm not on an alt account, I'm on a new account

Whose alt are you?

I just said I'm a new account dude for fucks sake. I'm not an alt, I'm not alt, I'm just a fucking dude on a website.

Jesus this board sucks.

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I honestly didn't know there was another RustyAxe here. I picked it because of fire emblem. You reforge the axe and it gets turned into a brand new cool ass weapon.

RustyAxe posted...

I just said I'm a new account dude for fucks sake. I'm not an alt, I'm not alt, I'm just a fucking dude on a website.

Jesus this board sucks.

bro tell me about it. ce is mega cringe

Scohen posted...

last I checked you have to be 18 to go to a strip club. If someone is taking male kids to a strip club child protection services needs to know about it.

i dont know how anyone can object to a statement like kids should not see sexualized situations, whether Herero or not.

Why are you equating a pride parade with a strip club?

ShotWaifu posted...

Too early at 5. This is a high school/ middle school subject.

"Why does Billy have two daddies? "

"You can't know until 10 years from now"

I feel like this is a sounds good, but how problem.

Like I dont particularly recall learning about heterosexual couples. I think maybe casually including gay couples in math word problems and stuff might be helpful just to normalize it. Trans stuff is harder to showcase since you have to be not so subtle, but yea.

ZMythos posted...

"Why does Billy have two daddies? "

"You can't know until 10 years from now"

Ill tell you when youre older is an adults usual response to dismiss kids questions they dont want to answer.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I feel like this is a sounds good, but how problem.

Like I dont particularly recall learning about heterosexual couples. I think maybe casually including gay couples in math word problems and stuff might be helpful just to normalize it. Trans stuff is harder to showcase since you have to be not so subtle, but yea.

Just include questions and books that have same sex couples. Helps normalise it if the general media they consume has it.

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First off, click boards and scroll down to 'social'. It's the first one there. I assumed 'social' meant 'talk about things' not 'say something and have some random fucking people start accusing you of being someone else'.

Second off, this is a new account I've been here before but not in a long ass time. Let me just be instead of trying to point fingers because I said the education system in the USA is ass. Seriously, the behavior of this place is more embarrassing than my apparently misunderstanding the word alt. I'm not addicted to GameFAQs, alt means something outside of it.myzz7 posted...

bro tell me about it. ce is mega cringe

Yeah I'm just trying to have a conversation and some dudes come in throwing accusations around like come on man. Let me just post without a witch hunt holy hell.