Board 8 > YGO Master Duel Mafia Topic 3 - Time Limits and Endless combos do not Mix.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I was on Chang most of the day.
Statistics say...

I need to reread end of day, but I can't pay that much attention to reading and what I'm watching at the moment so it will have to be later.

Chang did not inspire me as Town before the last 2 hours of the day. When he swooped in to add activity, it did inspire me in the way he usually does. But also, I was angry and Chang specifically fed into my defensiveness towards SBell, so yeah, I can't make a clear call on him without rereading.

Fwiw i no longer feel good about Chang being town, as i did yesterday.
Included in more detail in my notes (tm) later but basically he was vote #3 on sbell and was a key turning point in the event

Han: You DO realize how many times I've seen somebody miss a detail in a start of day post in my short time following here, yes?

Peace___Frog posted...

Fwiw i no longer feel good about Chang being town, as i did yesterday.
Included in more detail in my notes (tm) later but basically he was vote #3 on sbell and was a key turning point in the event

Peaf, why did you enter yesterday and start pushing me?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Han: You DO realize how many times I've seen somebody miss a detail in a start of day post in my short time following here, yes?

God, I wish the answer wasn't at least 3, but I can think of at least 3.

Hbthebattle posted...

Interesting choice of words there for someone who said that Corrik was one of his preferred nightkills yesterday. Can you not think of any reasons why someone would kill Corrik?

I said that but then people disagreed so i assumed I'm wrong and it was only I that thought that. But now I can go back to assuming I was right

Peaf coming in so aggressive for a replacement actually made me feel pretty good about them. I would have expected more hesitancy, and I think that scum would be more reserved when coming in on the last day.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

This sentence is a little too run-on; can you rewrite it please?

Option 1
Scum Hb jumps off his scummate to lynch town. This is a gaffe because it exposes him.

Option 2
Town Hb reevaluates to lynch the unclaimed over claimed vanilla despite having based on players on the lynches (which hadn't changed a ton since he voted Ctes)

I feel Option 1 is far more likely. Yes it's a misplay but making that vote swao as town seems unlikely.

Lopen posted...

Option 1
Scum Hb jumps off his scummate to lynch town. This is a gaffe because it exposes him.

Option 2
Town Hb reevaluates to lynch the unclaimed over claimed vanilla despite having based on players on the lynches (which hadn't changed a ton since he voted Ctes)

I feel Option 1 is far more likely. Yes it's a misplay but making that vote swao as town seems unlikely.

I think you misunderstood me (and you're mis-attributing my use of the word 'gaffe')

Hb was asked by Abacus why he switched to CTES, and Hb said he switched to Ctes because he trusted the people on it (me, Poppy, etc).

If Hb was Scum with Ctes, he would specifically know that he switched off of his Scummate onto Town SBell. He would not have incorrectly said that he ended on Ctes, because he would be very aware that he did not end on his Scummate.

it was a literal typo, sue me

Ok look I know you want to think you caught a scumslip. I'm talking in terms of what actually happened. I don't actually care about that because

Hbthebattle posted...

it was a literal typo, sue me

That seems more likely than him forgetting where his vote swaps were, no matter what his alignment is.

Like scum do not forget where their vote was any more than town does

They can forget WHY their vote was there but where the vote is? That's not a slip. That's a typo.

Lopen:

1. I did not say it was a Scumslip
2. I am literally saying things that happened (Hb said the wrong name)
3. Even if it's just a typo, it's still wayyyyyyyyy less likely for him to have made that typo if he was talking about a Scummate

I mean didn't Abacus say the wrong name technically

Peace___Frog posted...

Power #2.
Basically similar to last game with that no?

I'm cooking and still catching up. Will have a lot tonight.

I'll admit I cannot understand what power #2's description is trying to say at all.

Lopen posted...

I mean didn't Abacus say the wrong name technically

Could be possible, but not in the same way because:

Abacus said "towards the end" when asking and then, after I asked Hb about his answer, Abacus said he specified it was his initial vote he was talking about.

So no, Abacus did not say the wrong name technically

Lopen posted...

I mean didn't Abacus say the wrong name technically

No, I wanted to know the reasoning for the votes that didn't have explanations. Your vote and HB on ctes seemed out of nowhere when I was reading. Same for Sultan and Red. I would have asked Red about his ctes vote... If they were still alive :(

I think forgetting where your vote was is NAI for any party involved

Either it's a typo, you're answering a question that isnt being asked by mistake, or you're completely not paying attention

This is like distracting in any case

Hb has no reason to make that swap as town. Doing a statistical analysis of the votes to justify a swap in that high leverage situation is what scum does.

Ctes scum
Hb scum

Those are rock solid confirmed. Other two strongly think it's Han and Abacus but yeah.

Ctes probably has a strong role of some sort or is GF hoping he gets scanned

Hb was the first person to try to push Ctes yesterday.

It makes little sense for him to draw attention to a Scummate at that time. Not when there are active arguments going - Me, SBell who was starting to get heat, Chang.

I know you're going to discount what I'm saying Lopen, because your ego, but you really are ignoring so many factors that point away from Hb and Ctes being Scum together to focus on a late vote swap.

Lopen posted...

I think forgetting where your vote was is NAI for any party involved

This is wrong, though. And you're misrepresenting my argument... AGAIN. Like you always do!

It's not that he forgot where his vote was - it's that he would have remembered that he didn't end up on a Scummate.

As for Han the one good thing for him is Hb asked for Han to sell him on Sbell over Ctes. With 1 minute in the day. This is not something town does.

This is the old "not taking ownership of the vote" trick I said Kirby was doing earlier.

Han as confused town is possible here.

PunishedBen posted...

I'll admit I cannot understand what power #2's description is trying to say at all.

2. Once during a night you can target and block another targeted Duelist. They can however still perform any other actions.

I interpret this as basically bodyguard, but for all actions coming from that Duelist instead of being received by that Duelist. And the player can still buy cards etc.

And yeah, HB is def scum. Still not sold on ctes, but I haven't finished my re-read yet.

Honestly shocked that corrik was town, and that both Han and Lopen are still alive. No doc fear here to play off of.

I agree with Han HB and Ctes arent scum together because of THE SLIP. But i think HB and Chang are more linked anyway

HanOfTheNekos posted...

This just feels incredibly scripted. Like you want to draw as much attention to it as possible... but also, "Take that, scum!" is like, not a real thing that people say. And the extra comment of the extra kill is performative... like, why wouldn't Scum have gotten off an extra kill if they have one? Doctor was lynched.
Why do you need to say this? That's the big thing - every Town is upset that SBell didn't claim. It's an understood state of mind, and making it so clear here in flashing letters is like... "HEY GUYS LOOK AT ME I'M TOWN YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE I'M MAD AT SBELL".

With all due respect, Han, you always get on my case for saying similar stuff at the start of the day, and I've yet to be scum >_>

I'd like to think BCT is being genuine given that he's been scum before. And I mean... a scum/scum setup with two Pots of Greed and Crossout Designator, while clever, seems rather convoluted and a waste of resources.

I'm willing to believe BCT is confirmed town here. I thought Crossout Designator seemed really underwhelming and dumb, but I didn't realize its combo potential with Pot of Greed. That's rather brilliant, honestly.

Anyway, I'm gonna need explanations from everyone on their votes at the end of the day. I tried following along, but I'm still perplexed people moved away from Chang. Maybe I should've been more vocal about Sbell being town before I had to leave for the day >_>
Though I'm more intrigued about Ctes. I'm not following where the suspicions on him have been going.

I think we can all agree that there was definitely scum pulling strings on the Sbell lynch, though, right? Of the people who voted for Sbell, the ones that stood out to me the most were Chang, Lopen, and Hb.

Hb's being discussed to death right now, and I'm gonna look back and see if his mistake lines up with the actual votals. But Lopen and Chang, why did you guys vote for Sbell?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It's not that he forgot where his vote was - it's that he would have remembered that he didn't end up on a Scummate.

Dude.

If you didn't forget where your vote is you know if you're not on a scummate lol. You are literally saying that it is plausible he could have forgot but would not have if it was a scummate-- he could not have forgot period.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Sultan keeps going after me for no reason, and Id like an explanation as to why. I *do* hope stops now that I'm confirmed town. Apparently having a life makes someone scum in his brain! I WOULD like to thank Sultan for suspecting me enough that scum kept me alive enough to post again (and tried to s

This does not confirm you are town

Peace___Frog posted...

Honestly shocked that corrik was town, and that both Han and Lopen are still alive. No doc fear here to play off of.

Reason 2 Han might be town.

Scum wants me to kill Han or vice versa

Lopen posted...

Those are rock solid confirmed. Other two strongly think it's Han and Abacus but yeah.

How do you know it's a 4/11 split? Wouldn't that with a scum extra kill be kinda broken? It makes MYLO possible on Day 3.

Peace___Frog posted...

2. Once during a night you can target and block another targeted Duelist. They can however still perform any other actions.

is that not just a roleblock then? Could Corrik have died from using this?

Kirby321 posted...

But Lopen and Chang, why did you guys vote for Sbell?

I didn't.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

How do you know it's a 4/11 split? Wouldn't that with a scum extra kill be kinda broken? It makes MYLO possible on Day 3.

Mylo on day 3 is fine. Town should get one right in 3 shots.

3/15 is unfair to scum unless they're super op.

Kirby321 posted...

With all due respect, Han, you always get on my case for saying similar stuff at the start of the day, and I've yet to be scum >_>

My Scumhunting has a history of getting messed up when people think I'm Scum when I'm Town, and when dealing with new players. (new to the community might apply as well to that). I can admit I have faults. Understanding those faults is what I need to do to push me in better directions.

Like with SBell - I was right when I said that him thinking I was more likely Scum when I reversed onto him yesterday was a Town tell. But I ignored that because I was angry and other people began to toss wood on the SBell fire.

I have reasons to believe BCT is Town, and they're conflicting with his post style, so logically, I should not believe his is Scum too easily.

Lopen, you don't understand my argument. That's okay. You're one confused person, and there are plenty of other people in this game who can follow a simple logic thread, so I don't need to argue with you because everybody else should easily understand my point.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

This does not confirm you are town

If you're still going to be on my case, you're only raising more alarm bells in my head. I've tried explaining everything I can and you continue to not believe me.

Lopen posted...

Mylo on day 3 is fine. Town should get one right in 3 shots.

3/15 is unfair to scum unless they're super op.

That's fair, but it's entirely possible that they're OP. We don't know yet since that's still a scenario in play. Also possible that it's 3 scum and an indie serial killer or something.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Peaf, why did you enter yesterday and start pushing me?

I don't recall pushing you much at all.

More to come, like I said, but given the HB focus right now I want to highlight this:
With an hour left in the day, HB said Sbell/Ctes/Kirby/Abacus scum team. One is confirmed town, and I feel pretty good about Kirby. But regardless of those players, HB shifted shortly after to... Sbell and Ben, who wasn't on his original list (but Kirby and I were pushing, and Kirby was on HB's scum list right before!). Then he pretty much ended the day asking who to vote for, as Lopen points out.

Ctes and HB were the final votes on Sbell. HB said that he felt better about the Sbell train than ctes, and I originally agreed! But let's look at this.
[7] SBell - (IGCD), (Red), (Poppy), BCT, Poppy, Chang, Han, Peaf, Ctes, Hb
[5] ctes - (Han), (Lopen), (Peaf), Red, Lopen, (Hb), Ben, Sbell, Red

Red x2, Lopen, Ben, and Sbell on ctes - two of these four are confirmed town. Ctes voted for Sbell out of self-preservation. Presumably chang did too, but he didn't say anything about it and his vote was the crucial #3 that tied Sbell for the lead. The fact that he didn't say anything about it is what drops chang's town equity in my eyes.

But back to HB - The entire change of his scum team at the end of the day reeks, especially when combined with how wishy-washy he was in general. It's like he forgot who he was pretending to suspect, outside of Sbell.

##Vote: HB

Anyway, I'm not going to bother with you anymore, Lopen. I think you're Town. I don't think it's possible for you to fabricate the lack of understanding you have had this game in reference to me if you are Scum.

But I'm officially not responding to you anymore unless you specifically say in your post "I was wrong Han, I'm sorry, you're more experienced than me." Every single post that you want me to care about. Otherwise, interacting with you further has literally zero to offer the game.

PunishedBen posted...

is that not just a roleblock then? Could Corrik have died from using this?

If corrik blocked the person who submitted the kill, then he would take the bullet. I presume.

This is definitely a long-shot, but you did ask for another reason why Corrik might have died.

Han your argument is bad because scum don't forget what town or scum they vote towards end of the day. It's all calculated and pre-meditated at some level.

Town similarly doesn't forget because while it's panicked the emotions stick.

Scum you catch by poking holes in their LOGIC.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

But I'm officially not responding to you anymore unless you specifically say in your post "I was wrong Han, I'm sorry, you're more experienced than me." Every single post that you want me to care about. Otherwise, interacting with you further has literally zero to offer the game.

That's fine I was gonna suggest the same. I think I'm throwing you off. Your catch is more tinfoil than the stuff I spit out.

We just lynch Hb or Ctes and agree to agree on that.

##vote:BCT

BCT is scum look lopens way after his scum flip.

Lopen has been hardcore defending Him all game

##vote: Sultan

Blatant scum.

I wish I had a day gambler or vig shot tbh

BlueCrystalTear posted...

##vote: Sultan

Blatant scum.

Nice counter vote buddy

Good points from peaf

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Nice counter vote buddy

Only scum would go after me at this point.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I wish I had a day gambler or vig shot tbh

If you used it on me, it could result in your lynch since you seem VERY anti-town at this point.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Hb

I'm cool with this one too

Peace___Frog posted...

I don't recall pushing you much at all.

I made a joke when you entered and you immediately flipped it on me. Then, during all the Lopen/SBell BS, I probably interpreted you as being set against me more than you actually were.

You did give you analysis by end which is what made me feel good, but I just wanted to see what your view was of your actions towards me.

Peaf, do you agree with me that it is highly unlikely that Ctes and Hb are Scum together? And if so, what makes you not think Ctes is the Scum here? (don't answer by saying you think Hb is the Scum, pls - focus mostly on Ctes)

Also was i the only one who knew that Sbell seemed pretty towny? I tried to save him but was to late and it wouldn't have mattered anyways im sorry Sbell.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

##vote:BCT

BCT is scum look lopens way after his scum flip.

Lopen has been hardcore defending Him all game

Sultan, I have to ask this because, you know, you tend to be a much better player than you're given credit for when you're Town.

Pretend BCT doesn't exist in this game. What is your read?

Peace___Frog posted...

If corrik blocked the person who submitted the kill, then he would take the bullet. I presume.

This is definitely a long-shot, but you did ask for another reason why Corrik might have died.

If this is the case I still think he would have blocked Chang.