Current Events > Would you say almost everyone out there is handed their jobs?

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Whether its via networking, internships, friends, family, etc.

In most cases, I dont think its even possible to get a decent job with full benefits by yourself. Especially not a cushy one.

Yet some people think people are losers if they cannot get a decent job by themselves without the help of no one

In certain sectors like banking, media, Hollywood, etc., yes, for the most part. In most other sectors, no.

Literally 100% of the comfortable (let alone successful) people I know and have known have benefited from nepotism or sheer luck. I went to school with multiple people who straight up didn't go to college and got cushy internships straight out of high school; some of which are now working in journalism/media with zero credentials or prior experience.

I've personally never known anyone who actually saw the rewards of hard work.

I wouldnt say its everyone or almost everyone, but its a lot of people.

I work public sector and it is super easy to get in if you have connections. Really tough without them.

CRON posted...

Literally 100% of the comfortable (let alone successful) people I know and have known have benefited from nepotism or sheer luck. I went to school with multiple people who straight up didn't go to college and got cushy internships straight out of high school; some of which are now working in journalism/media with zero credentials or prior experience.

I've personally never known anyone who actually saw the rewards of hard work.

See now. this is exactly why I dont believe people when they say that they will bust their ass, work hard, and pour their heart into their work to show their bosses that they deserve to get promoted

Most people I know have had no trouble finding jobs w/ no nepotism, but they are pretty much all business or engineering majors.

A friend got me the job interview, but my interview gave me the job.
Zero doubts about that.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Most people I know have had no trouble finding jobs w/ no nepotism, but they are pretty much all business or engineering majors.

I dont know about engineering but business surprised me

I have a friend who is a finance major who is stuck working as a waiter in the restaurant industry because he cant find a single internship to get his foot in the door because all of them are rigged for the relatives and friends of the management. Similar things have happened to people I used to work with in airport.

AzNDarkSamurai posted...

I dont know about engineering but business surprised me

I have a friend who is a finance major who is stuck working as a waiter in the restaurant industry because he cant find a single internship to get his foot in the door because all of them are rigged for the relatives and friends of the management. Similar things have happened to people I used to work with in airport.

Weird, I don't know a single finance major who has had trouble, in fact they are doing better than most other business majors.

I got in into the public sector without connections. I got lucky I'd say. Thankfully they had a program designed for recent college grads I was able to take advantage of.

AzNDarkSamurai posted...

See now. this is exactly why I dont believe people when they say that they will bust their ass, work hard, and pour their heart into their work to show their bosses that they deserve to get promoted

Both exist in my life.

Knew someone who knew someone and got an introduction, but its me who killed it during the interview and got hired. It was also me who worked from a warehouse position to a desk.

Like 60% if I had to throw out some random number with no evidence.

I have a relatively small circle of friends, maybe 10-15 people, and I don't think a single one of us was "handed" the job we have.

A few are teachers across random school districts on LI where they knew no one prior to working there.

2 are "non-legacy" firefighters.

My wife works in pharmaceuticals, in the compliance aspect, and knew no one at her current job.

I work in accounting, and didn't know anyone that works at my job before I applied.

I could keep going.

All that being said, we've all been at our jobs for at least 10 years, so things may have changed since.

no, and that sounds like the take of a bitter individual.

i earned my internship by applying for it and being selected based on my grades and how i interviewed. i was offered a job by that company when i graduated.

I worked hard in undergrad to graduate, with honors, in a STEM program, with 2 minors, and a lot of summer internship experience I had to apply for through a university-managed system. I was later offered a job at one of my prior internships based on my performance on the job. At no point was I handed anything because of someone I knew. I generally find that the people who claim you can only get a job with nepotism are the people who partied on weekends, coasted through their degree with mediocre grades, and come out the other end angry that life isn't giving them an easy ride.

People like to think they earned things and won't admit it when they did not.

It's not.what you know but who you ****.

You gotta kiss that ass, and regularly or you won't get noticed, hard work can only get you so far.

I got into my career only through will and work. Have been doing it for a decade now.

angeleyes94 posted...

It's not.what you know but who you ****.

You gotta kiss that ass, and regularly or you won't get noticed, hard work can only get you so far.

Not to mention, you have to have a decent relationship with your boss outside of work as well.

AKA go to their outings when they invite you.

I knew a guy who got promoted in his job because he rode motorcycles with his boss in the hills on weekends. Another guy I knew was his bosss gym buddy.

Hard workers are pretty easy to find in my experience.

Not in my experience. I got an internship at DoD not knowing anyone, a job at Boeing not knowing anyone, then a leadership position for the state government, again not knowing anyone.

i was able to get the internship because at 21 I already had like 6 years working experience and references.

What Ive seen is hard is at 22/23 trying to get your first job and having zero work experience. They have trouble without someone putting in a word.

No sir. Between my last job as an AC repairman and my current job in custom wheel / tire sales, I earned my employment through diligence and expertise, nothing was handed to me.

I do blow jobs and rim jobs, but no hand jobs.

I guess I was kinda handed mine because no one else would do it

No.
I had to get my twic card, osha card, and apply for a plant job by myself. No references. No inside knowledge. No nothing.
Noone handed me shit.
Now I make fuck you money.
I have a maid for crying out loud.
You accomplish so much if you get off your ass, do something for yourself, and quit blaming others.

Smackems posted...

I guess I was kinda handed mine because no one else would do it

Nobody else wanted to take the job of befriending Pako and all the other animals that have been abandoned around you?

s0nicfan posted...

I generally find that the people who claim you can only get a job with nepotism are the people who partied on weekends, coasted through their degree with mediocre grades, and come out the other end angry that life isn't giving them an easy ride.

Nope. I worked hard and got good grades. Employers don't really value that stuff as much as good students think. Nobody cares about grades. They hype "networking" connections because of this.

^I figured that was the way things went because theres many people out there who can get good grades and go to school. Its just easier and saves time for employers to hire people who know someone already working for them in the company.

I don't know almost everyone so I can't say

However I desperately want to see you chilling at Red Lobster instead of your usual shlock

I pretty much get lucky for all my gains in life. They are maintained via competence, at least.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

I don't know almost everyone so I can't say

However I desperately want to see you chilling at Red Lobster instead of your usual shlock

If youre referring to me, I can handle a Red Lobster job no problem because I worked all kinds of jobs

AzNDarkSamurai posted...

If youre referring to me, I can handle a Red Lobster job no problem because I worked all kinds of jobs

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Big_Nabendu posted...

No.
I had to get my twic card, osha card, and apply for a plant job by myself. No references. No inside knowledge. No nothing.
Noone handed me shit.
Now I make fuck you money.
I have a maid for crying out loud.
You accomplish so much if you get off your ass, do something for yourself, and quit blaming others.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

no, and that sounds like the take of a bitter individual.

i earned my internship by applying for it and being selected based on my grades and how i interviewed. i was offered a job by that company when i graduated.

That's for lower jobs in the totem pole. Once you are actually IN an industry, your network and charisma are far higher predictor of success than competence alone. What I mean by that is that charismatic people earn more and receive better opportunities than equally competent peers of lesser social skills.

So yes, networking is crucial to navigate this workforce. They don't "hand you a job" but they present you key access to the right opportunity at the right time. Which saves you a gigantic amount of time and effort.

^ not surprised. I just wonder how those who do not have that many friends get big money. Its hard for me to imagine them getting many big opportunities.

ReDaZnDraGoN97 posted...

^ not surprised. I just wonder how those who do not have that many friends get big money. Its hard for me to imagine them getting many big opportunities.

To be fair, in many industries there's a pretty low threshold above which you need to have good interpersonal skills because you're going to be leading teams. Generally, big opportunities that lead to big money require collaboration among multiple groups, and no amount of individual skill is going to overcome an unwillingness or inability to learn how to work well with others. It's one of the reason why type A personalities are so dominant in leadership roles, and while there may very well be some kind of bias at play there, I also can't imagine somebody running a company who doesn't know how to deal with conflict or grow a network.