Poll of the Day > 5 US States to put different forms of 'Slavery' on there Ballots...

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pionear
10/20/22 3:49:40 PM
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Which One?




https://www.yahoo.com/news/slavery-ballot-voters-5-us-145106454.html

Think it should even be Considered in the 1st place?
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BlackScythe0
10/20/22 3:53:30 PM
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I won't lie this title made me think it was some maga states trying to introduce slavery, but it's about prison labor.

I think private prisons are unconstitutional. The big issue I have is the fact that the private prisons bribe politicians to make laws that bring more people into their unconstitutional prisons unjustly. And I don't think any of these efforts will do anything to address that.
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ZangsBeard
10/20/22 3:54:05 PM
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pionear posted...


Think it should even be Considered in the 1st place?

voters in five states will soon decide whether to close loopholes that led to the proliferation of a different form of slavery forced labor by people convicted of certain crimes.

Why... why wouldn't it be considered? It should be federally banned...

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Lokarin
10/20/22 3:57:51 PM
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Prison slavery isn't a loophole, it's the intent... ban slavery

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shadowsword87
10/20/22 4:07:48 PM
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During the abolitionism of slavery, there was specifically a reference to allowing prisoners be slaves.
This is not a loophole. This has always existed.
We are still a slave state.
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ZangsBeard
10/20/22 4:12:05 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Prison slavery isn't a loophole, it's the intent... ban slavery

shadowsword87 posted...
During the abolitionism of slavery, there was specifically a reference to allowing prisoners be slaves.
This is not a loophole. This has always existed.
We are still a slave state.



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Zikten
10/20/22 5:48:50 PM
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Private prisons should never have existed. They should be banned
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Lokarin
10/20/22 6:05:43 PM
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Zikten posted...
Private prisons should never have existed. They should be banned

I'll "slightly" disagree on the grounds that private and public options should be available for everything, but they certainly should be non-profit.


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BlackScythe0
10/20/22 6:11:06 PM
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Lokarin posted...
I'll "slightly" disagree on the grounds that private and public options should be available for everything, but they certainly should be non-profit.

It's prison what do you even mean by options?
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Lokarin
10/20/22 6:26:35 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
It's prison what do you even mean by options?

For the prisoners, nothing; since punishment should mostly be the same for everyone. For the manager though there's lots that can be done.

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BlackScythe0
10/20/22 6:27:20 PM
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Lokarin posted...
For the prisoners, nothing; since punishment should mostly be the same for everyone. For the manager though there's lots that can be done.

You're not making a compelling argument.
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Lokarin
10/20/22 6:31:59 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
You're not making a compelling argument.

that's why i just said "slightly", I'm not glued to it or anything... I just enjoy OPTIONS.

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BlackScythe0
10/20/22 7:03:50 PM
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Lokarin posted...
that's why i just said "slightly", I'm not glued to it or anything... I just enjoy OPTIONS.

I don't enjoy private corporations paying politicians to make laws to unjustly imprison people for profit.
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Lokarin
10/20/22 7:27:47 PM
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right, they should still be non-profits

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Blightzkrieg
10/20/22 8:45:01 PM
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Banning slavery in its entirety puts the United States at a disadvantage compared to other developed economies. It is better to apply forced labour in a precision manner and enjoy the benefits, rather than risk all of America being turned into a sweatshop as it is surpassed by crueller nations.

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Judgmenl
10/20/22 8:47:54 PM
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I didn't know it was the 1860s.

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pionear
10/20/22 9:15:44 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
During the abolitionism of slavery, there was specifically a reference to allowing prisoners be slaves.
This is not a loophole. This has always existed.
We are still a slave state.

Yea I read the topic title wrong but I still didn't know these laws still existed
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pionear
10/20/22 9:16:31 PM
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Shananagainz
10/20/22 10:06:02 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Prison slavery isn't a loophole, it's the intent... ban slavery



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Gaawa_chan
10/21/22 3:45:31 AM
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Being beaten and raped is not part of their sentence.
Being starved to death or given food not fit for humans to eat is not part of their sentence.
Being tortured by solitary confinement is not part of their sentence.
Enduring heatstroke is not part of their sentence.
Forced labor is not part of their sentence.

If someone is sentenced to imprisonment, that is their sentence. That is their punishment. All of the above shit should be considered criminal in and of itself. For-profit prisons should not exist. If we have any program by which anyone profits in a prison, it should be an educational program for the inmates to reduce recidivism.

https://www.blackenterprise.com/family-seeks-justice-after-corrections-officers-break-inmates-neck-starves-him-to-death/

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shadowsword87
10/21/22 10:16:37 AM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Banning slavery in its entirety puts the United States at a disadvantage compared to other developed economies. It is better to apply forced labour in a precision manner and enjoy the benefits, rather than risk all of America being turned into a sweatshop as it is surpassed by crueller nations.

What the fuck man.
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aiyobro
10/21/22 11:47:08 AM
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when johnny cash went to prison
everyone learned a trade and got a job when they got out

now you work in prison and you don't get a job upon release
they're worried prisoners will try to kill each other in prison if they get them any responsibilty

alot of them like working in jail it gives them something to do
but the food is soo bad you'd starve to death working in jail
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jiffdiff
10/21/22 2:11:22 PM
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I hope they outlaw compelled jury duty and military service as well.
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Count_Drachma
10/23/22 7:09:51 AM
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Similar concerns over the financial impact of prison labor led California's Democratic-led Legislature to reject an amendment eliminating indentured servitude as a possible punishment for crime after Gov. Gavin Newsoms administration predicted it could require the state to pay billions of dollars at minimum wage to prison inmates.

Unsurprising, considering Kamala Harris's office literally opposed early release because it would interfere with the prison labor population.

BlackScythe0 posted...
I won't lie this title made me think it was some maga states trying to introduce slavery, but it's about prison labor.

Because your worldview is fucking delusional. Most people would automatically guess the right thing.

BlackScythe0 posted...
I think private prisons are unconstitutional. The big issue I have is the fact that the private prisons bribe politicians to make laws that bring more people into their unconstitutional prisons unjustly. And I don't think any of these efforts will do anything to address that.

Oh good lord... this isn't even a private prison problem. The biggest resistors are the STATE-run prisons.

Lokarin posted...
Prison slavery isn't a loophole, it's the intent... ban slavery

This. While the theory may have been that inmates would give back to society, the practice has been society exploiting inmates.

Zikten posted...
Private prisons should never have existed. They should be banned

It's kind bizarre that people keep fixating on this as a talking point when it has almost nothing to do with the subject at hand. The reason it's not stopped is because of state-run prisons.

BlackScythe0 posted...
It's prison what do you even mean by options?

It's an option for the government, apparently.

Blightzkrieg posted...
Banning slavery in its entirety puts the United States at a disadvantage compared to other developed economies. It is better to apply forced labour in a precision manner and enjoy the benefits, rather than risk all of America being turned into a sweatshop as it is surpassed by crueller nations.

I'm pretty sure most developed nations already have the bans in place, excluding Russia. Unless you're lumping in developing nations like China, which have a heavy slave population.

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Count_Drachma
10/23/22 7:11:41 AM
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Gaawa_chan posted...
Being beaten and raped is not part of their sentence.
Being starved to death or given food not fit for humans to eat is not part of their sentence.
Being tortured by solitary confinement is not part of their sentence.
Enduring heatstroke is not part of their sentence.
Forced labor is not part of their sentence.

If someone is sentenced to imprisonment, that is their sentence. That is their punishment. All of the above shit should be considered criminal in and of itself. For-profit prisons should not exist. If we have any program by which anyone profits in a prison, it should be an educational program for the inmates to reduce recidivism.

https://www.blackenterprise.com/family-seeks-justice-after-corrections-officers-break-inmates-neck-starves-him-to-death/

You start reasonable but then go on a bizarre side-rant. First off, even state-run prisons have people profit off incarceration. Second, the "profit" in private prisons comes from the state paying people to take prisoners, as well as charges that would be incurred in a normal prison, too. While there are good reasons to get rid of private prisons, it seems like most people in here don't understand how they fucking work and are conflating their features with normal prisons.

And, honestly, solitary tends to be better than being put in the general population where there's the risk of rape and violence. However, solitary is more expensive, so it's not as widely-used.

jiffdiff posted...
I hope they outlaw compelled jury duty and military service as well.

Yes, considering they're also forms of forced servitude.

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Lokarin
10/23/22 11:02:56 PM
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Count_Drachma posted...
Yes, considering they're also forms of forced servitude.

well, y'all could have always NOT signed up for the SS (Selective Service)

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Zareth
10/23/22 11:13:12 PM
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Count_Drachma posted...
And, honestly, solitary tends to be better than being put in the general population where there's the risk of rape and violence. However, solitary is more expensive, so it's not as widely-used.
No, solitary is rarely used because people lose their fucking minds without human contact

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Krow_Incarnate
10/24/22 1:08:12 AM
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The comments are fucking cringe. Of course people support this garbage.

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Lokarin
10/24/22 1:23:53 AM
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Krow_Incarnate posted...
The comments are fucking cringe. Of course people support this garbage.

I can give them a slant cuz ya prisoners should recontribute to society... but dang, slavery is NOT the solution.

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Krow_Incarnate
10/24/22 2:05:20 AM
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By society, you mean contributing to multi-billion dollar corporations?

Forcefully employing prisoners does nothing for society.

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rexcrk
10/24/22 5:29:25 AM
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Which one? what?


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Shananagainz
10/24/22 11:35:00 AM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Banning slavery in its entirety puts the United States at a disadvantage compared to other developed economies. It is better to apply forced labour in a precision manner and enjoy the benefits, rather than risk all of America being turned into a sweatshop as it is surpassed by crueller nations.


call me superstitious but I think this person hasnt been to prison before

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