Current Events > It's amazing how much better Pokemon Gen V was

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... after what I considered to be a dumpster fire generation in IV.

It was the reboot the series desperately needed.

Literally a garbage bag pokemon

this gen was dope tho

Chandelure and Golurk ftw

Gen 4 sales: 39.9 million copies
Gen 5 sales: 24.2 million copies

Gen 4 was hugely popular at the time. It's hate is entirely revisionist. It's still a very popular gen, people love the pokemon, characters, and features.

I liked Gen 5 before it was cool.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Gen 4 sales: 39.9 million copies
Gen 5 sales: 24.2 million copies

Gen 4 was hugely popular at the time. It's hate is entirely revisionist. It's still a very popular gen, people love the pokemon, characters, and features.

I hate it Gen 4 literally on launch day. I didn't like anything about it, the way it moved, the way it played, the setting, etc.

And that was coming off of a disappointment with gen 3, which in retrospect was still much better than Gen 4.

KobeSystem posted...

Literally a garbage bag pokemon

this gen was dope tho

Trubbish is the cutest Pokmon cuz its literally me

Map was boring as shit though.

If gen 5 never happen gen 8 would never have the dex cut. The sheer numbers is just absurd and anyone who came up with this idea should be fired immediately.

3 pokemon designs in that game mindbroke an entire generation of manchildren

DB_Insider posted...

If gen 5 never happen gen 8 would never have the dex cut. The sheer numbers is just absurd and anyone who came up with this idea should be fired immediately.

Insane cope

without remembering what region it was, i say it had too much water

viewmaster_pi posted...

without remembering what region it was, i say it had too much water

That was Hoenn (3)

Doe posted...

3 pokemon designs in that game mindbroke an entire generation of manchildren

Insane cope

U can tell they're really streching themself thin with beating kanto in terms of quantity.

DB_Insider posted...

U can tell they're really streching themself thin with beating kanto in terms of quantity.

Seal

heck did you dislike about 3, i was floored by the upgrade to pokemon that looked like they should, with full colors and everything.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

It's hate is entirely revisionist.

Nah. It wasn't uncommon at all to trash on Gen 4...at least until Platinum. Even most D/P haters agreed that Platinum fixed most of the problems (including me >_>)

Gen V had the ugliest fucking Pokemon in franchise history. That's why it will always be the worst generation.

Yes PokeBall Pokemon is a stupid as fuck design but at least it isn't ugly.

One of the best generations and best batches of new Pokemon. A shame that Game Freak will never do anything like that again.

DB_Insider posted...

If gen 5 never happen gen 8 would never have the dex cut. The sheer numbers is just absurd and anyone who came up with this idea should be fired immediately.

Dexit would have happened regardless.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

Nah. It wasn't uncommon at all to trash on Gen 4...at least until Platinum. Even most D/P haters agreed that Platinum fixed most of the problems

This. D/P are mid-tier at best with all of their flaws, but Platinum fixed almost all of them and is still to this day one of the best Pokemon games of all time. Then most of the great gameplay innovations that gen 4 brought in were carried into HG/SS to make them even better.

Gen 4 is my overall favorite gen even factoring in the slow start the gen had with D/P. Gen 5 is a close second though, and B2/W2 is up there with Platinum and HG/SS in the top tier of mainline Pokemon games.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Gen V had the ugliest fucking Pokemon in franchise history. That's why it will always be the worst generation.

Yes PokeBall Pokemon is a stupid as fuck design but at least it isn't ugly.

No thanks to Jimmy Turner who contribute to most of the mons. Glad he branches off from game freak for good hopefully.

Solar_Crimson posted...

One of the best generations and best batches of new Pokemon. A shame that Game Freak will never do anything like that again.

Dexit would have happened regardless.

At least a delay would've been better

It gave me Scolipede!

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Gen 4 sales: 39.9 million copies
Gen 5 sales: 24.2 million copies

Gen 4 was hugely popular at the time. It's hate is entirely revisionist. It's still a very popular gen, people love the pokemon, characters, and features.

The hate has always been there. Slower pace, more narrative fluff leading to what feels like more railroading than previous games, and mechanics like Honey not being super great.

I particularly dislike the slower pace. Platinum was the last Pokemon game I got before SwSh, and to this day, the parts of that game I like the most are the Underground and buying your own villa. The actual story and the pace of the game fucking blew, and when I eventually played Brilliant Diamond, I felt the exact same.

It's a popular gen, absolutely. It has a lot of fans, and I don't begrudge them. But the hate for gen 4 has always been there - I've seen it ever since gen 4 happened, and frankly I don't really like Sinnoh either.

Gen 5 crawled so Legends Arceus could walk

Guide posted...

heck did you dislike about 3, i was floored by the upgrade to pokemon that looked like they should, with full colors and everything.

So keep in mind that Emerald is my favorite Pokemon game. I have played that game more than any other Pokemon game, I adore gen 3.

That being said?

Gen 3 rehashes pokemon designs to make up for the fact that Hoenn wasn't compatible with Kanto or Johto. Gulpin and Swalot feel like dollar store knockoffs of Grimer and Muk. Wurmple was a unique take on Caterpie and Weedle, looking back, but it's still eerily reminiscent. Tailow and Swellow are a worse Pidgey evolutionary line, Skitty is a Meowth clone, Aron is reminiscent of the Rhyhorn line. Corphish is a less cool Krabby. Feebas is explicitly a Magikarp clone, with the only draw being how stupidly difficult they are to catch.

This was the first gen to have explicit Pikachu clones with Plusle and Minun - "pikablu" was a fan thing, I never saw the resemblance between Pikachu and Marill - there are a bunch of one-off gimmick Pokemon like Relicanth, Solrock/Lunatone, Spinda and Castform, and this is arguably where Mythical Pokemon began with the Regis and Lati@s. I personally miss when legendaries were special, one of a kind beings - that does make me sound like a genwunner old man, but that's how I feel.

In hindsight, this set up a lot of the later Pokemon "formula". At the time, the similarities made it feel kind of hokey and cheap after 1 and 2 had made such an impact with their fun creature designs.

And I say that with the acknowledgement that some of gen 3's Pokemon are my favorite ones ever. The Trapinch evolutionary line is GOATed, ground-type and flying-type is a broken type match-up in gen 3 and I just love the little trapinch fella. Spheal is fucking adorable. I love Chimecho and Duskull and Absol, I love the Ralts line, I love Glalie, Luvdisk and the Salamence/Metagross evo lines. Aron is a great Pokemon, even if I compared that line to Rhyhorn and Rhydon earlier. I also love the smooth, fast pace of the game, and while I'm sick of Pokemon stories being about saving the world, there was a novelty to it in this gen, especially with the two criminal groups you go against depending on which game you play. Emerald also went above and beyond in fusing both teams into a single story and fleshing the conflict out with new dialogue and events.

There are still a lot of conspicuous similarities that made this new gen hard to pick up initially, and I get why people would dislike Hoenn after the first two gens. It's different, even the parts that want to stay the same, and that can be hard to get used to.

Gen 4 is vastly superior to 5

Trumpo posted...

Gen 5 crawled so Legends Arceus could walk

I want Legends: Kyurem so much.

Phantom_Nook posted...

I want Legends: Kyurem so much.

Legends: I dunno N is the emperor or something