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lordofmud
11/13/22 6:00:49 PM
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Not combat murder but just civilian, got in my way, bullet to the head murder allowed in all kinds of video games.

However, when dealing with sexual issues it becomes a different story. Nonconsensual sex is absolutely forbidden in games. However, you are absolutely allowed to use a spell that sets someone on fire or decapitate them with a sword.


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ellis123
11/13/22 6:06:37 PM
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Because it's not degenerate. Like a naked nipple.

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Jagr_68
11/13/22 6:07:19 PM
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Studies show gamers like murder.

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Cheater87
11/13/22 6:08:26 PM
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In Europe sex isn't taboo, only in the US it is.

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Quaxlyote
11/13/22 6:10:19 PM
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lordofmud posted...
Nonconsensual sex is absolutely forbidden in games.
Most people look down on rape. That said it absolutely is present in certain games.

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lordofmud
11/13/22 6:11:57 PM
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Quaxlyote posted...
Most people look down on rape. That said it absolutely is present in certain games.
Most people look down on murder. But I can drive over a woman with my car in GTA.

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lordofmud
11/13/22 6:12:41 PM
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Cheater87 posted...
In Europe sex isn't taboo, only in the US it is.
I thought Europe has very restrictive laws on violence in video games.

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ellis123
11/13/22 6:14:47 PM
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lordofmud posted...
I thought Europe has very restrictive laws on violence in video games.
It doesn't, no. They just actually exist at all and are upheld unlike in the US.

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Glob
11/13/22 6:16:11 PM
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lordofmud posted...
Most people look down on murder. But I can drive over a woman with my car in GTA.

As many games are violent in nature, the mechanics of killing are already in the game. Most games are not sexual in nature, meaning that the mechanics of having sex with somebody, consensual or otherwise, are not present in the game.

However, you chose an odd example, as you can have sex with somebody and then run them over in GTA, much to the delight of tabloid sensationalists back in the early 2000s.
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lordofmud
11/13/22 6:20:54 PM
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Glob posted...
As many games are violent in nature, the mechanics of killing are already in the game. Most games are not sexual in nature, meaning that the mechanics of having sex with somebody, consensual or otherwise, are not present in the game.

However, you chose an odd example, as you can have sex with somebody and then run them over in GTA, much to the delight of tabloid sensationalists back in the early 2000s.
I don't play a lot of games. Let's change that to Planescape: Torment. I can axe some random in the street. So if the game has mechanics for violence and killing why does it allow you to strike random people and murder them?

Also wouldn't a game be banned if it had straight sex mechanics in corporated to the game?

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DoesntMatter
11/13/22 6:45:43 PM
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ngl, with everyone we've been through as a society lately and with how much of this shit i've seen in my life at this point, i find it extremely difficult to get excited these days for new games like GTA and Saints Row and that style where you can just shoot any civilian at any time. it just doesn't sit right with me anymore, whereas i used to not think about it at all when i was younger.

not saying that it shouldn't be allowed though.

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Cheater87
11/13/22 7:10:11 PM
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lordofmud posted...
I thought Europe has very restrictive laws on violence in video games.

No, they slap an 18 PEGI rating on it and call it a day.

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Kircheis
11/13/22 7:15:40 PM
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DoesntMatter posted...
ngl, with everyone we've been through as a society lately and with how much of this shit i've seen in my life at this point, i find it extremely difficult to get excited these days for new games like GTA and Saints Row and that style where you can just shoot any civilian at any time. it just doesn't sit right with me anymore, whereas i used to not think about it at all when i was younger.

not saying that it shouldn't be allowed though.

This is why I've been kinda getting into LA Noire lately, it's a sandbox game that encourages me to not play like a psychopath for once.

In a similar vein, one thing I like about the Yakuza franchise is that you're never the instigator in street fights, you only ever defend yourself or other civilians. And the protagonists never kill people when they don't absolutely have to, because death is a very serious thing and given the dramatic weight that it deserves. This video is a great example of that philosophy:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yd2_D0AejQ8

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Nemu
11/13/22 7:20:05 PM
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Even excluding excessive prudishness, I imagine people probably feel more disconnected from violence than they do sexuality. People would probably near universally feel weird about being able to go up and molest NPCs in public, but they have no problem murdering them.
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GuerrillaSoldier
11/13/22 7:27:55 PM
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define "allowed". do you mean, why isn't it possible to make games that are sexual in nature? because it is possible. it's also possible to sell and distribute it on your own.

are you asking why rules and regulations were put in place to rate games and why stores don't allow certain ratings to be sold in stores? and why they allow violence to be rated for a lower age range than sex?

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Flauros
11/13/22 7:31:51 PM
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Hard disagree. Some hentai games are crazy cartoony in that department.

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XxKrazyChaosxX
11/13/22 7:49:37 PM
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An NPC once saved a player's life.

https://imgur.com/YVh3U5d

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Paragon21XX
11/13/22 7:55:28 PM
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For the same reason you're allowed to shitpost on GameFAQs.

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xGhostchantx
11/13/22 7:56:46 PM
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There's a difference between incidental murder for the mechanics' necessity and murder for murder's sake, like Manhunt.

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Lil_Bit83
11/13/22 8:00:12 PM
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For the same reason its allowed in books, tv, and movies. It isn't real.

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CyricZ
11/13/22 8:03:15 PM
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Can anyone remember the first game to allow random civilian murder? Was it GTA1?

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Ratchetrockon
11/13/22 8:19:06 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Can anyone remember the first game to allow random civilian murder? Was it GTA1?

Maybe this one?
https://youtu.be/aBBtt72aJLA

The stick figure npcs are called "gremlins" tho but still humanoid enough to have had some controversy back in the day.

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/12/28/archives/death-race-game-gains-favor-but-not-with-the-safety-council.html

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CyricZ
11/13/22 8:22:51 PM
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Yeah that'd probably be it. Game's blurb says you're running over "gremlins", but sure. Gremlins scream like that.

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Garioshi
11/13/22 8:32:55 PM
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It is a bit odd how violence and rape, while both utterly detestable, have wildly different levels of acceptability in media. A mass murderer can join your side and you might not bat an eye, but you're going to have serious reservations about what kind of message the game is trying to send if a rapist joins your side.

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ellis123
11/13/22 8:34:48 PM
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Garioshi posted...
It is a bit odd how violence and rape, while both utterly detestable, have wildly different levels of acceptability in media. A mass murderer can join your side and you might not bat an eye, but you're going to have serious reservations about what kind of message the game is trying to send if a rapist joins your side.
In God of War you have both from the main character.

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CyricZ
11/13/22 9:22:04 PM
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ellis123 posted...
In God of War you have both from the main character.
Is Kratos canonically a rapist?

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Lairen
11/13/22 9:23:53 PM
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Thats easy: the sex part would make games MA at best but easily AO at worst.

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ellis123
11/13/22 9:24:46 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Is Kratos canonically a rapist?
I mean, there aren't exactly optional story bits in any of the games.

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DarthAragorn
11/13/22 9:25:20 PM
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Crusader Kings doesn't visually depict it but nonconsensual sex is definitely a thing in it

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Nemu
11/13/22 9:26:03 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Is Kratos canonically a rapist?
I don't know about his pre-game warmonger days, but the most evil thing (other than murdering random people with player input) I remember him doing in game is the whole innocent(?) lady door stopper scene.
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CyricZ
11/13/22 9:38:46 PM
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ellis123 posted...
I mean, there aren't exactly optional story bits in any of the games.
I seem to recall every sexual encounter in the GoW games are optional, and while player initiated, there's no evidence to suggest they aren't consensual.

Nemu posted...
I don't know about his pre-game warmonger days, but the most evil thing (other than murdering random people with player input) I remember him doing in game is the whole innocent(?) lady door stopper scene.
Yeah wanton murder. I get that. He did it in the first game too, only it wasn't a hot naked chick so people didn't care as much.

What I was asking is if Kratos is canonically a rapist.

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Nemu
11/13/22 9:43:44 PM
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CyricZ posted...
What I was asking is if Kratos is canonically a rapist.
That's what I was meaning to imply, that I don't recall him raping anyone at all throughout 1-3 or the two PSP games.
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Bokothechoco2
11/13/22 9:44:16 PM
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Why not both?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5s3jGiJOcE
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EDF-5
11/13/22 9:44:31 PM
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Because irl in the US people freak out way more about sex than merdur.
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ellis123
11/13/22 10:01:51 PM
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CyricZ posted...
I seem to recall every sexual encounter in the GoW games are optional, and while player initiated, there's no evidence to suggest they aren't consensual.
It literally starts the series with you banging someone before killing the hydra.

And I could have sworn one in 3 was effectively nonconsentual.

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Glob
11/13/22 11:54:41 PM
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lordofmud posted...
I don't play a lot of games. Let's change that to Planescape: Torment. I can axe some random in the street. So if the game has mechanics for violence and killing why does it allow you to strike random people and murder them?

Also wouldn't a game be banned if it had straight sex mechanics in corporated to the game?

I feel like you havent understood at all.
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CobraGT
11/13/22 11:56:37 PM
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Cause we are basically bloodthirsty

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pegusus123456
11/13/22 11:58:26 PM
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ellis123 posted...
It literally starts the series with you banging someone before killing the hydra.

And I could have sworn one in 3 was effectively nonconsentual.
All of the women Kratos sleeps with in the series are into it.

The absolute closest is Aphrodite because she's presumably infected with the evil of lust from Pandora's Box, but that's really stretching it the definition of nonconsensual.

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TerraSeeker
11/14/22 12:16:09 AM
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It's not if you murder a civilian in Skyrim, everyone turns hostile towards you, and the guards will come to kill or arrest you.

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thx1138
11/14/22 12:18:40 AM
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Its not real

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Nacen
11/14/22 12:26:34 AM
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thx1138 posted...
Its not real

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Agent_Stroud
11/14/22 12:35:41 AM
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Glob posted...
As many games are violent in nature, the mechanics of killing are already in the game. Most games are not sexual in nature, meaning that the mechanics of having sex with somebody, consensual or otherwise, are not present in the game.

However, you chose an odd example, as you can have sex with somebody and then run them over in GTA, much to the delight of tabloid sensationalists back in the early 2000s.

Bruh, I thought it was procure the services of a lady of the night, then proceed to hit a home run upside their noggin with a Louisville slugger that got the tabloids excited back in the early Naughts in regards to GTA.

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LazLemon
11/14/22 12:39:07 AM
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Can anybody present a moral argument against being able to sexually assault people in video games that doesn't also apply to being able to murder people in video games?

I tend to agree with the TC that it feels arbitrary that depictions of murder and violence are accepted and sometimes glorified in the media while sexual assault is a much bigger taboo. I'm open to having my mind changed tho.

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cuttin_in_farm
11/14/22 12:46:29 AM
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LazLemon posted...
Can anybody present a moral argument against being able to sexually assault people in video games that doesn't also apply to being able to murder people in video games?

I tend to agree with the TC that it feels arbitrary that depictions of murder and violence are accepted and sometimes glorified in the media while sexual assault is a much bigger taboo. I'm open to having my mind changed tho.

Im kinda here.

I mean, Rockstars Bully had a sexual harassment mechanic in that you can slap random girls asses. How was that received?

Like, the people have actually been raped is the best defense so far. Though I wager people have been violently assaulted or shot before too. And are still alive. Or people have been affected by murder, as its not just the victim that suffers a loss.

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DRUNKlE
11/14/22 1:02:14 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/1/4/AAfVdHAAD4RS.jpg

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nesplayer
11/14/22 1:18:12 AM
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lordofmud posted...
Nonconsensual sex is absolutely forbidden in games.


Well not Dragon Quest I

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