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zzeennoolloo
12/15/22 6:14:44 PM
#152:


FortuneCookie posted...
"Batgirl is getting her own movie... Nah, just kidding."
"Michael Keaton is coming back as Batman.... Nah, just kidding."
"Henry Cavill is coming back as Superman... Nah just kidding."

"Ezra Miller being removed as the Flash... Nah just kidding... we are keeping Ezra... AND Amber Heard.... BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!"

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Pennywise
12/15/22 6:16:21 PM
#153:


Punished_Blinx posted...
I think Flashpoint is definitely a sunk cost fallacy for them. Batwoman was supposed to be a HBO Max movie.

Again letting go of someone who has filmed literally nothing is in a different situation compared to people who have filmed entire movies WB are sitting on.

Convenient excuse.

Ezra Miller could literally kill a child and WB fanboys will go "well the film is already finished! Let WB make profits off his infamy!!!"
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SHRlKE
12/15/22 6:20:42 PM
#154:


Pennywise posted...
Convenient excuse.

Ezra Miller could literally kill a child and WB fanboys will go "well the film is already finished! Let WB make profits off his infamy!!!"

yeah but ignoring those fanboys hes still got a point and I say that as someone who thinks the DCU is garbage.
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Punished_Blinx
12/15/22 6:23:26 PM
#155:


Pennywise posted...
Convenient excuse.

Ezra Miller could literally kill a child and WB fanboys will go "well the film is already finished! Let WB make profits off his infamy!!!"

Mate I overall dislike the DCEU and wouldn't give a shit if they cancelled Flashpoint. That movie at this point is basically like when Disney was stuck with The New Mutants. It'll flop and no one will care.

But it isn't up to Gunn and Safron. They're planning their own slate of DC movies to release after the DCEU ends with a wet fart. Of course they'd ditch Cavill. Sticking with him also means being stuck with the baggage of guys like Miller who is a part of his universe.

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Prismsblade
12/15/22 6:28:59 PM
#156:


It's sucks and although DC tried there just wasn't any coming back from how bad synder botched the foundation.

I don't think anybody could have done a worse job with this fanchise aside from maybe Micheal bey.

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Gobstoppers12
12/15/22 6:29:48 PM
#157:


Prismsblade posted...
I don't think anybody could have done a worse job with this fanchise
The Snyder-made films are the best DC movies, though.

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Prismsblade
12/15/22 6:39:51 PM
#158:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
The Snyder-made films are the best DC movies, though.
BvS pitiful BO was the biggest failure in cinematic history and should have been the easiest billion dollars ever but synder still managed to botch it.

Idc how big a fanboy you or any other fan of his is. But there's no defending a screw up of that scale.

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Punished_Blinx
12/15/22 6:42:28 PM
#159:


BvS was a mortal blow to the DCEU and they've been trying to stop the bleeding ever since. Awful movie.

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Gobstoppers12
12/15/22 6:52:51 PM
#160:


Prismsblade posted...
BvS pitiful BO was the biggest failure in cinematic history
It wasn't. It was a great movie that was harmed significantly by two major factors:

1.) The theatrical cut removed a fairly large number of story-significant scenes that connected various decisions and motives.

2.) A lot of people (critics included) were expecting/wanted a light hearted movie with a bunch of jokes and levity. It basically got review bombed by people who didn't like the tone, which really hurt its following weekends.

To this day you still have people calling it "the worst movie ever made," and there were a lot of people who saw the Joss Whedon cut of Justice League and called it "the best DCEU movie yet"

It's a bunch of mismanaged expectations and people who don't like alternate takes on characters or story lines. Sure, you can be sad that Lex Luthor is a modern tech CEO instead of a suit-wearing, cigar-smoking mogul from the 40s, but his performance was great in the context of what he was supposed to be.

There are a lot of people who hate it because it's different from what they wanted it to be. It was less about action, more about characters and their motivations. I tend to prefer a story that really digs into the people involved, rather than just having them all standing up as moral juggernauts from the very start.

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Punished_Blinx
12/15/22 6:56:09 PM
#161:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Sure, you can be sad that Lex Luthor is a modern tech CEO instead of a suit-wearing, cigar-smoking mogul from the 40s, but his performance was great in the context of what he was supposed to be.

I am fine with him being a tech CEO.

But nothing about that performance was good.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
It was less about action, more about characters and their motivations. I tend to prefer a story that really digs into the people involved, rather than just having them all standing up as moral juggernauts from the very start.

Except the characters are as dull as dishwater. They spend the movie moping around. The movie is so focused on its themes and allegories it barely spends any time actually developing these characters as actual people. Which is overall the point when it comes to guys like Superman as the movie is really fond of portraying him as above humanity and as a Christ-like figure. But it just makes for a dull movie to watch and it's not as deep as it thinks it is.

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GhostFaceLeaks
12/15/22 6:57:22 PM
#162:


Can we just admit that DC lost all chance of it working as a cinematic universe? People will initially be turned off because they will remember the Snyder movies, those who liked the snyder movies will be turned off because it ain't his movies, and the average person will hear about news like Henry Cavill done as Superman and them rebooting it yet again and will not touch it out of disgust.

There's no hope.

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Gobstoppers12
12/15/22 7:03:00 PM
#163:


Punished_Blinx posted...
But nothing about that performance was good.

Punished_Blinx posted...
Except the characters are as dull as dishwater
Disagree.

See, it's a matter of preference. I like when a movie has a particular mood and really lives in that mood. Snyder is great at maintaining a mood from beginning to end. Watchmen, 300, MoS, BvS, Justice League... all of those movies have a particular mood, and while there are overarching thematic similarities, each one feels distinct from one another based on mood and music alone.

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Aztex
12/15/22 7:06:38 PM
#164:


I always knew he was a fake nerd he couldn't handle it anymore when shit got real. First Witcher now Superman he's dropping off the Sherlock movies next.

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SHRlKE
12/15/22 7:12:38 PM
#165:


Prismsblade posted...
BvS pitiful BO was the biggest failure in cinematic history and should have been the easiest billion dollars ever but synder still managed to botch it.

Idc how big a fanboy you or any other fan of his is. But there's no defending a screw up of that scale.

the hell is BO?

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Gobstoppers12
12/15/22 7:16:27 PM
#166:


SHRlKE posted...
the hell is BO?
Box office

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Prismsblade
12/15/22 7:32:09 PM
#167:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
1.) The theatrical cut removed a fairly large number of story-significant scenes that connected various decisions and motives.
Everyone is well aware of the cut scenes and the movie is still poorly paced, boring, nonsensical garbage. It was also needlessly mean spirited with synder killing off Jimmy Olsen who Lois partner in the beginning, wtf?

Gobstoppers12 posted...
2.) A lot of people (critics included) were expecting/wanted a light hearted movie with a bunch of jokes and levity. It basically got review bombed by people who didn't like the tone, which really hurt its following weekends.
The word of mouth was terrible, and the reviews reflected that. The BO drop off next week further supported them. You can continue making as many excuses as you want but in the end money talks.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
To this day you still have people calling it "the worst movie ever made," and there were a lot of people who saw the Joss Whedon cut of Justice League and called it "the best DCEU movie yet"
That was Comparable to a average MCU movie at best. Ones they release almost yearly at a fraction of the production cost, reshoots, time and film length that was. It wasn't a success at all.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
It's a bunch of mismanaged expectations and people who don't like alternate takes on characters or story lines. Sure, you can be sad that Lex Luthor is a modern tech CEO instead of a suit-wearing, cigar-smoking mogul from the 40s, but his performance was great in the context of what he was supposed to be.
Alternate, and risky new takes of characters are what esleworld storys are for. The universe was far to unestablished for that privilege. That, and characterizations were so off that proformances didn't even matter. Especially superman who barely had more then a few lines.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
There are a lot of people who hate it because it's different from what they wanted it to be. It was less about action, more about characters and their motivations. I tend to prefer a story that really digs into the people involved, rather than just having them all standing up as moral juggernauts from the very start.
Those people were the vast majority. A majority synder was so out of touch with, if you rewatch the trailers from old to new you're noticed the dratic shift in tone from the films more pseudo philosophical aspects to pure action.

Because surprise! Batman and Superman fighting was all they care about.

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Gobstoppers12
12/15/22 7:41:27 PM
#168:


Prismsblade posted...
It was also needlessly mean spirited with synder killing off Jimmy Olsen who Lois partner in the beginning, wtf?
Clearly not the comic version of Jimmy Olsen. Just a referential nod and a red herring.

Prismsblade posted...
The word of mouth was terrible, and the reviews reflected that.
And a great deal of the reviews were on it because it was too dark and moody, which is exactly what fans like me loved about it. There's no pleasing everybody.

Prismsblade posted...
It wasn't a success at all.
It was middle of the road in terms of the box office, but in terms of quality, Joss Whedon's justice league is legit the worst DC movie since Superman IV: The Quest For Peace. Yet people still praised it for trying to be more MCU-like. That's the mood of the critics in that era. That's one reason why I don't give a fuck about critic opinions anymore. They chase trends.

Prismsblade posted...
characterizations were so off that proformances didn't even matter
Maybe if you based them strictly off the mainstream comics, you'd be right. But based on the movie universe that was being established, based on TDKR, based on other takes that have historically existed, it's not really that far off. The course of this series was leaning toward an Injustice-style story, which kind of needs Superman to have some doubt and a little bit of moral indecision in order for it to be believable.

Prismsblade posted...
Those people were the vast majority
Acknowledged, but those of us in the minority really appreciated that we finally got something made for us, and not for the majority. Maybe it wasn't the best financial decision in the end, but it was great for those of us who enjoyed what we had. The MCU already exists for light hearted, fast-paced superhero action. We like that the DC movies tended to be a bit slower, more introspective, moodier, and with higher power levels when the action started.

I've yet to see a Superman fight, or anything on that level, which felt more satisfying than Superman vs Zodd or Doomsday. The speed and impact Snyder manages to convey with the help of his VFX artists is insane.

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Ruvan22
12/15/22 7:41:28 PM
#169:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
It wasn't. It was a great movie that was harmed significantly by two major factors:

1.) The theatrical cut removed a fairly large number of story-significant scenes that connected various decisions and motives.

2.) A lot of people (critics included) were expecting/wanted a light hearted movie with a bunch of jokes and levity. It basically got review bombed by people who didn't like the tone, which really hurt its following weekends.

To this day you still have people calling it "the worst movie ever made," and there were a lot of people who saw the Joss Whedon cut of Justice League and called it "the best DCEU movie yet"

It's a bunch of mismanaged expectations and people who don't like alternate takes on characters or story lines. Sure, you can be sad that Lex Luthor is a modern tech CEO instead of a suit-wearing, cigar-smoking mogul from the 40s, but his performance was great in the context of what he was supposed to be.

There are a lot of people who hate it because it's different from what they wanted it to be. It was less about action, more about characters and their motivations. I tend to prefer a story that really digs into the people involved, rather than just having them all standing up as moral juggernauts from the very start.

I agree with a lot of this - people criticized it (and Snyder's other movies) for being too "GrimDark" but I felt they really matched the tone and themes of the JL/JLU animated series. Maybe because I'm a bit older, these explorations were really interesting (to me)
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Punished_Blinx
12/15/22 7:46:47 PM
#170:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
It was middle of the road in terms of the box office, but in terms of quality, Joss Whedon's justice league is legit the worst DC movie since Superman IV: The Quest For Peace. Yet people still praised it for trying to be more MCU-like.

It sucks but that just isn't true at all when movies like Catwoman, Green Lantern, Batman & Robin and Jonah Hex exist. There's no reason to be hyperbolic.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
The course of this series was leaning toward an Injustice-style story, which kind of needs Superman to have some doubt and a little bit of moral indecision in order for it to be believable.

This was the entire issue with the Snyder run in a nutshell. Nothing is earned. We barely get to see a proper Superman before they kill him and we have since found out what he had intended after JL and it's all similar shit.

"What if Superman was a bad guy" is not an original or creatively dark take. If anything that concept is significantly more tired than just plain old Superman at this point. Snyder himself already directed Watchmen which did the concepts his movies wanted to do a lot better.

Not to mention even if you like this stuff it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it's a really stupid direction to take a cinematic universe of superheroes. You can't just have a universe of cynical "superheroes are bad for us actually!" shit when there's fucking characters who talk to fish and can time travel by running fast. Oh yeah and a kid who can turn into a superhero by shouting a catch phrase. It was never going to work long term.

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Gobstoppers12
12/15/22 7:56:58 PM
#171:


Punished_Blinx posted...
It sucks but that just isn't true at all when movies like Catwoman, Green Lantern, Batman & Robin and Jonah Hex exist. There's no reason to be hyperbolic.
I honestly think that those movies are easier to write off, since they were just stand-alone attempts that missed the mark. At worst, Green Lantern and Batman & Robin are goofy fun. Never saw Catwoman or Jonah Hex, to be fair.

What makes Joss Whedon's Justice League so bad, is that there were two (or more, counting WW and Aquaman) movies leading into it which had established a tone and course of events, and then all of that tone and all of that development was canned in favor of quips, jokes, a neutered story, and weird reshoots. If you watch the ZSJL, you see that the film was much, much better in its original scenes. The entire exchange between Clark and Lois at the farm was changed to be 'funny,' but the original scene would have worked wonderfully.

The CGI mustache removal is just the awful cherry on top of the sundae; if you see the cgi upper lip in a scene, you know Joss Whedon made it worse than the original with clear purpose.

So maybe as its own stand-alone movie, yeah, Joss Whedon's JL isn't worse than Catwoman, but if you consider it as the third entry in a trilogy, and consider that there was a usable, 80%-photography-completed film that it was made off the back of...Joss Whedon managed to make an existing universe and existing story much, much, much worse.

Like...the Joss Whedon version of Steppenwolf looks way, way worse than the Zack Snyder version. Some people attribute this to Zack Snyder fixing Steppenwolf later and redesigning him after the JW version's unpopularity...but if you watch this scene from the BvS Ultimate Edition ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayD06iaPJ50&t=20s ), you can see clearly that Zack Snyder's plan for Steppenwolf from the get-go was for him to look like he does in the ZSJL.

Which means Joss Whedon had that design of Steppenwolf available as a concept, and chose to make him look smaller, older, and weaker as a directorial decision. And to top it off, he replaced Darkseid, perhaps the most iconic top-level DC villain, and tried to sell us on the idea that geriatric-momma's-boy Steppenwolf was the "true final villain" of the movie.

It did so much wrong that I can't forgive it for, knowing that the ZSJL template already existed and could have been drawn from.

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Patchwork
12/15/22 8:33:03 PM
#172:


Amazon trying to get the rights to Warhammer 40k, also trying to get Cavill.

On my phone, too lazy to link.

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dancing_cactuar
12/15/22 8:47:26 PM
#174:


Patchwork posted...
Amazon trying to get the rights to Warhammer 40k, also trying to get Cavill.
He'll probably turn it down then considering how Amazon only gives a shit about those types of properties because of the brand name while Cavill was the type of dude who spent quarantine painting 40k figurines and sharing them on instagram.


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Patchwork
12/15/22 8:49:03 PM
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thank you

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I hope he doesnt turn it down. I hope he just negotiates some creative control.


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Prismsblade
12/15/22 10:10:16 PM
#176:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
And a great deal of the reviews were on it because it was too dark and moody, which is exactly what fans like me loved about it. There's no pleasing everybody.
Which is why you generally attempt to please the majority above everyone. Controversial movies don't cut it for AAA films trying to jump start a universe.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
It was middle of the road in terms of the box office, but in terms of quality, Joss Whedon's justice league is legit the worst DC movie since Superman IV: The Quest For Peace. Yet people still praised it for trying to be more MCU-like. That's the mood of the critics in that era. That's one reason why I don't give a f*** about critic opinions anymore. They chase trends.
You keep trying to deflect blame towards the critics but ultimately its the casual audiances who didn't like synders style and it shows in the BO. The advertising was second none and WB and all analysis were 100% expecting a billion dollars minimum. And from its opening week it certanly would have if it didn't suck.

I don't blame whedon for how it turned out. What fucking business did that movie have for being over 5 hours long? Seriously, wtf?

Gobstoppers12 posted...
Maybe if you based them strictly off the mainstream comics, you'd be right. But based on the movie universe that was being established, based on TDKR, based on other takes that have historically existed, it's not really that far off. The course of this series was leaning toward an Injustice-style story, which kind of needs Superman to have some doubt and a little bit of moral indecision in order for it to be believable.
They were nothing special. Literally any of the other actors of these heroes in the past could have replicated their prefromances.

As for superman he didn't get enough screen time, character development or even dialogue to establish or convey anything about himself. And most of his inner and outer turmoil along with the controversial mass destruction at the end of MoS could have been resolved if he'd had just immediately spoken to the world, apologized, made a vow it would never happen again and dedicate the rest of his life to helping humanity. That didn't need to be 3 hours.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
Acknowledged, but those of us in the minority really appreciated that we finally got something made for us, and not for the majority. Maybe it wasn't the best financial decision in the end, but it was great for those of us who enjoyed what we had. The MCU already exists for light hearted, fast-paced superhero action. We like that the DC movies tended to be a bit slower, more introspective, moodier, and with higher power levels when the action started
Kudos, but it killed the fanchise in the end so you can't really say it was worth it. Playing it safe to establish and build the brand, THEN experiment with dark and moody tones outside of batman would have been their safest bet. But they took the opposite route which ultimately backfired.

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dave_is_slick
12/15/22 10:11:01 PM
#177:


Ruvan22 posted...
but I felt they really matched the tone and themes of the JL/JLU animated series.
They didn't match remotely.

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Ruvan22
12/16/22 12:54:06 AM
#178:


dave_is_slick posted...
They didn't match remotely.

The Cadmus arc?
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Arishok
12/16/22 2:18:16 AM
#179:


What's this about Henry Cavill wanting to play Commander Shepard? Saw it somewhere.

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littlebro07
12/16/22 8:01:06 AM
#180:


https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmOoVoqsWAw/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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Tyranthraxus
12/16/22 9:20:08 AM
#181:


littlebro07 posted...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmOoVoqsWAw/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Ok this is better than Superman anyway.

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lolife67
12/16/22 9:41:21 AM
#182:


Ruvan22 posted...
The Cadmus arc?
Not even that.
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Ruvan22
12/16/22 2:14:35 PM
#183:


lolife67 posted...
Not even that.

You probably need to rewatch it then..
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PoopPotato
12/16/22 2:15:28 PM
#184:


40k could be sweet

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008Zulu
12/16/22 4:54:31 PM
#185:


Apparently he is onboard the project at Amazon to do a Warhammer 40,000 series.

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s0nicfan
12/16/22 5:14:48 PM
#186:


008Zulu posted...
Apparently he is onboard the project at Amazon to do a Warhammer 40,000 series.

Supposedly as an executive producer as well so he can assert some creative control over the project.

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Tyranthraxus
12/16/22 5:20:11 PM
#187:


He plays IRL Warhammer so you know this gonna be good

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pegusus123456
12/17/22 2:51:10 AM
#188:


Ruvan22 posted...
You probably need to rewatch it then..
Nah, the Cadmus arc is never half as dreary and depressing as Snyder's movies.

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008Zulu
12/17/22 2:54:56 AM
#189:


Tyranthraxus posted...
He plays IRL Warhammer so you know this gonna be good
He plays Custodes, so hopefully it might mean a Watchers of the Throne adaption.

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Scotty_Rogers
12/17/22 2:56:13 AM
#190:


It's been about 10 years so I'd say about time

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Master_Kazuya
12/17/22 3:09:16 AM
#191:


That was a great PR statement. Some wild shit must've gone down to make this happen

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Smackems
12/17/22 3:26:56 AM
#192:


Touch posted...
Now please announce you're back as Gerald Witcher


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dioxxys
12/17/22 3:29:28 AM
#193:


Touch posted...
Now please announce you're back as Gerald Witcher
Not unless they fired their writing staff
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DB_Insider
12/17/22 5:39:22 AM
#194:


Scotty_Rogers posted...
It's been about 10 years so I'd say about time


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Kakapo
12/17/22 5:49:22 AM
#195:


I really dont care how the Warhammer & Cavill thing turns out, I just know there will be a lot of very salty Warhammer nerds no matter what, particularly if Amazon dares to make the cast diverse.

It will be glorious to see the manchild temper tantrums. So many giant toddlers were upset by the Warhammer is for Everyone statement.

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lolife67
12/17/22 11:21:46 AM
#196:


Ruvan22 posted...
You probably need to rewatch it then..
Superman was snapping necks while Batman used heavy artillery to kill goons? Superman moped about how nothing is good in the world and only cares about being with Lois? Did he dad suggest letting a bus full of kids die to protect himself is worth considering?
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Ruvan22
12/17/22 10:01:51 PM
#197:


lolife67 posted...
Superman was snapping necks while Batman used heavy artillery to kill goons? Superman moped about how nothing is good in the world and only cares about being with Lois? Did he dad suggest letting a bus full of kids die to protect himself is worth considering?

You definitely need to rewatch the movies as well then, if all you have are exaggerated memories like that...
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pegusus123456
12/18/22 6:56:23 AM
#198:


Kakapo posted...
I really dont care how the Warhammer & Cavill thing turns out, I just know there will be a lot of very salty Warhammer nerds no matter what, particularly if Amazon dares to make the cast diverse.
Imagine being a fan of a franchise where someone sews teenage slave boys into forcibly deformed slave women in a reverse c-section and forces them to birth giant, skinless supersoldiers that they reskin with flesh ripped from tortured slave men but being incapable of handling a gay space marine.

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lolife67
12/18/22 9:14:19 AM
#199:


Ruvan22 posted...
You definitely need to rewatch the movies as well then, if all you have are exaggerated memories like that...
Nothing I said was exaggerated at all. But I understand you don't have an actual rebuttal so are repeating yourself.
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tremain07
12/18/22 9:50:40 AM
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Is DC cursed or something? Marvel is still churning out extended universe movies and TV shows without even needing Captain America, Iron Man and Thor and Hulk around and still doesn't or hasn't made use of the X-Men and the Fantastic Four either where as DC most consistent crossover project were a bunch of crappy CW characters meeting up

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Tyranthraxus
12/18/22 10:22:33 AM
#201:


lolife67 posted...
Nothing I said was exaggerated at all. But I understand you don't have an actual rebuttal so are repeating yourself.

So since Superman was snapping necks, how many necks did he snap?

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