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Beveren_Rabbit
12/19/22 10:48:41 AM
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Sexual dimorphism is real



Sexual dimorphism : distinct difference in size or appearance between the sexes of an animal in addition to difference between the sexual organs themselves.

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lennethsoki
12/19/22 10:58:38 AM
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What middle-aged braindead mouthbreather is gonna argue that this isn't true?
Lemme guess: ".001% of women/men are shorter/taller than their counterparts in similar areas and upbringings, so I'm gonna huff paint and pretend like they're an exception and not the majority hurr hurr I'll probably compare two countries across the planet from each other ignoring historical and cultural impact on sizes. Gasoline smells great btw"

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Shadowplay
12/19/22 11:23:21 AM
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lennethsoki posted...
What middle-aged braindead mouthbreather is gonna argue that this isn't true?
The people that think it's transphobic to point out the difference between gender and sex. True, someone can point that out to be an impolite conservative jerk, but that's not the case all the time.

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frozenstar
12/19/22 11:48:47 AM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
True for other animals, but not for humans
can someone explain to me what this means?

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Starks
12/19/22 11:58:12 AM
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Strong sexual dimorphism is not the norm in the animal kingdom.

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averagejoel
12/19/22 12:03:14 PM
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sex is a spectrum

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ElatedVenusaur
12/19/22 12:04:26 PM
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Sexual dimorphism in humans can be best visualized by a pair of normal distributions that overlap at the edges. There are women who are stronger than some men, there are some men who are more feminine than masculine women. Generally speaking, people at the extremes are ostracized (to say nothing of people who fail to conform to the gender binary at all), with the exception of hyper-masculine men.

Physical dimorphism is basically entirely a function of differing hormonal balances.

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ellis123
12/19/22 12:18:58 PM
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frozenstar posted...
can someone explain to me what this means?
Sexual dimorphism is traditionally viewed as extremely substantial differences between the male and female of a given species (ignoring literal genitalia and the like) that cannot be mistaken as potentially from the opposite gender. So something like "women are shorter than men on average" isn't sexual dimorphism unless *every* women is shorter than every man at a similar stage (so children could be the same height but as adults the height difference becomes relevant, or vice-versa). Thus as humans have no relevant distinctions between things not directly linked to explicitly sexual attributes a traditional approach to dimorphism would not apply.

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GrandConjuraton
12/19/22 12:26:04 PM
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People like Tc love to have things always fit squarely in a box, huh? Things rarely work that way.

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famfam
12/19/22 12:26:49 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Sexual dimorphism is traditionally viewed as extremely substantial differences between the male and female of a given species (ignoring literal genitalia and the like) that cannot be mistaken as potentially from the opposite gender. So something like "women are shorter than men on average" isn't sexual dimorphism unless *every* women is shorter than every man at a similar stage (so children could be the same height but as adults the height difference becomes relevant, or vice-versa). Thus as humans have no relevant distinctions between things not directly linked to explicitly sexual attributes a traditional approach to dimorphism would not apply.

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Evening_Dragon
12/19/22 12:27:50 PM
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@ellis123
"Traditionally viewed" in what sense? Sexual dimorphism is "traditionally" a rather clinical term, the base understanding of which is going to be "It's why men and women look different" and the more technical approach generally being a list of hormone-related, typical differences. Where is this "absolutely no overlap is traditional view" coming from?

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COVxy
12/19/22 12:29:38 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Sexual dimorphism is traditionally viewed as extremely substantial differences between the male and female of a given species (ignoring literal genitalia and the like) that cannot be mistaken as potentially from the opposite gender. So something like "women are shorter than men on average" isn't sexual dimorphism unless *every* women is shorter than every man at a similar stage (so children could be the same height but as adults the height difference becomes relevant, or vice-versa). Thus as humans have no relevant distinctions between things not directly linked to explicitly sexual attributes a traditional approach to dimorphism would not apply.

Pretty much no sex differences across any species follows this though. Pretty much every phenotype has many underlying genes contributing, and because of this becomes distributed, usually with overlap since organisms need to survive to reproduce.

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ellis123
12/19/22 12:37:43 PM
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Evening_Dragon posted...
ellis123
"Traditionally viewed" in what sense? Sexual dimorphism is "traditionally" a rather clinical term, the base understanding of which is going to be "It's why men and women look different" and the more technical approach generally being a list of hormone-related, typical differences. Where is this "absolutely no overlap is traditional view" coming from?
"Traditionally" in that conservatives get a huffy otherwise. Doubly-so since science is involved and it isn't just about "men are stronger."

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frozenstar
12/19/22 12:38:55 PM
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Why are you politicizing this?

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ellis123
12/19/22 12:39:17 PM
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COVxy posted...
Pretty much no sex differences across any species follows this though. Pretty much every phenotype has many underlying genes contributing, and because of this becomes distributed, usually with overlap since organisms need to survive to reproduce.
What do you mean? Are you saying that almost every creature has dimorphism? Because that is correct: almost none are monogamous.

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COVxy
12/19/22 12:40:48 PM
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ellis123 posted...
What do you mean? Are you saying that almost every creature has dimorphism? Because that is correct: almost none are monogamous.

Idk what monogamy has to do with it.

I'm just saying that what you wrote is a definition of sexual dimorphism that is so rigid as to be a strawman.

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Norman_Smiley
12/19/22 12:42:25 PM
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ellis123 posted...
"Traditionally" in that conservatives get a huffy otherwise. Doubly-so since science is involved and it isn't just about "men are stronger."

i dont know a single conservative that would agree with your original post.

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AloneIBreak
12/19/22 12:42:28 PM
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Non scientists trying to discuss things only science can answer.

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ellis123
12/19/22 12:43:26 PM
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COVxy posted...
Idk what monogamy has to do with it.

I'm just saying that what you wrote is a definition of sexual dimorphism that is so rigid as to be a strawman.
Auto-correct. I meant monomorphic. :X

And that was the point: it was a loaded question and I was making fun of it.

frozenstar posted...
Why are you politicizing this?
It started that way.

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lorddrakath1522
12/19/22 1:07:09 PM
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frozenstar posted...
can someone explain to me what this means?

Sexual dimorphism is the condition where the sexes of the same animal and/or plant species exhibit different morphological characteristics, particularly characteristics not directly involved in reproduction, example:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/0/6/AAbzK0AAEAbC.jpg
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frozenstar
12/19/22 1:07:42 PM
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lorddrakath1522 posted...
Sexual dimorphism is the condition where the sexes of the same animal and/or plant species exhibit different morphological characteristics, particularly characteristics not directly involved in reproduction, example:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/0/6/AAbzK0AAEAbC.jpg
no. I was asking about how it would not apply to humans.

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ellis123
12/19/22 1:16:31 PM
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frozenstar posted...
no. I was asking about how it would not apply to humans.
It very much does. Hence my sarcastic reply earlier (that I feel I must have made not obvious enough). Putting it as an option is just "playing politics" for the people that think that humans are special snowflakes but aren't so daft as to forget basically every other animal exists/are entirely anti-science.

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frozenstar
12/19/22 1:18:41 PM
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ellis123 posted...
It very much does. Hence my sarcastic reply earlier (that I feel I must have made not obvious enough). Putting it as an option is just "playing politics" for the people that think that humans are special snowflakes but aren't so daft as to forget basically every other animal exists/are entirely anti-science.
oh then I misread you

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ellis123
12/19/22 1:20:54 PM
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It's fine. Others did as well so I will have to work on that. I get lazy when I type out posts on my phone and I apparently got far too lazy on that one.

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Evening_Dragon
12/19/22 5:43:51 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Traditionally" in that conservatives get a huffy otherwise.
Why are you abiding by this specific group that is usually wrong, why start off politically,

Why

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Evening_Dragon
12/19/22 5:44:15 PM
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ellis123 posted...
It very much does. Hence my sarcastic reply earlier (that I feel I must have made not obvious enough). Putting it as an option is just "playing politics" for the people that think that humans are special snowflakes but aren't so daft as to forget basically every other animal exists/are entirely anti-science.
Ohhhhhh

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Lil_Bit83
12/19/22 5:53:51 PM
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True. Though maybe not for every creature on the planet. But there are some obvious differences such antlers/no antlers, crests, brighter or duller colors, size, air sacs and markings.

Human beings have too many genetic differences among individuals.

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FigureOfSpeech
12/19/22 6:26:08 PM
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lennethsoki posted...
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charey
12/19/22 6:39:14 PM
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Yes, that is what gender reassignment surgery is for, to change the sexual dimorphism to better suit the individual.

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COVxy
12/19/22 6:43:26 PM
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Shadowplay posted...
The people that think it's transphobic to point out the difference between gender and sex. True, someone can point that out to be an impolite conservative jerk, but that's not the case all the time.

Did you know that the brain is part of the body?

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FaultyCircuitry
12/19/22 6:47:47 PM
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let's say 'sure, but' It is wholly irrelevant to anyone other than medical professionals and is only ever brought up to attack trans people.

So maybe let's not keep bringing up something that is constantly weaponize against trans people.

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/19/22 6:49:36 PM
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Can we get much higher?

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xGhostchantx
12/19/22 6:52:05 PM
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No shit, Sherlock.

Sexual dimorphism is just a morphological difference between the sexes. One has boobs, the other doesn't. One has an absolutely over-the-top tail that hinders its getting away from predators, the other doesn't.

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