Board 8 > final fantasy vii - overly complicated with jobs [fourjobfiesta]

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https://www.fourjobfiesta.com/ff7/

this is the site that does the ffv four job fiesta, tweet them and you'll get your own lineup of ff7 "jobs" aka allowed materia setups

Freelancer
Can use all materia.

All Jobs
Underwater
Chocobo Lure
EXP Plus
Gil Plus

Knight
Cover
HP Plus
Slash-All
HP-Absorb
Morph
Restore
Barrier
Death Blow
Counter Attack

Thief
Steal
Pre-Emptive
Steal-As-Well
Enemy Away
W-Item
Luck Plus
Speed Plus
Added Cut
Command Counter (Blue Counter)

White Mage
All
Restore
Heal
Revive
Mystify
Shield
Barrier
Full Cure
MP Plus
Magic Plus

Black Mage
All
Ice
Lightning
Fire
Earth
Transform
Poison
Seal
Contain
Ultima
Magic Plus
MP Absorb
Magic Counter

Red Mage
Ice
Lightning
Fire
Earth
Exit
Restore
W-Magic
Elemental

Time Mage
All
Time
Comet
Exit
Gravity
Quadra Magic

Blue Mage
Enemy Skill
Sense
Manipulate

Ninja
Added Cut
Throw
Sneak Attack
2x Cut
Steal As Well
Speed Plus
Fire
Lightning
Mega All

Summoner
All Summon Materia
MP Turbo
Final Attack
W-Summon
Master Summon
Morph
Ranger
Long Range
Enemy Lure
Enemy Away
Added Effect
Poison
Mystify
Destruct
Seal
Morph
Manipulate

Mime
Mime
Any Materia that is Master Level

Sage
All Green Materia
Master Magic
Master Summon
HP<->MP

i'm giving it a try so thought i'd post about it, i got this setup:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/3/3/AANp2HAAEEe1.jpg

Sounds like a fun idea for the next playthrough I do, though later this year... I'll throw the jobs in a random assignment generator when I get there.

Feels bad to see "Mime" on Midgar characters, geez.

Edit: Summoner on Tifa is a tough break too, but at least you got a main party White Mage mainstay... though I just saw Knight gets Restore, that seems a bit much. I like Mime on Yuffie since you can avoid using her but then tag her in for the endgame w/ Conformer and Mastered Quad-Cut. Or miming Tifa's KOTR, I guess.

MartinFF7 posted...

Sounds like a fun idea for the next playthrough I do, though later this year... I'll throw the jobs in a random assignment generator when I get there.

Feels bad to see "Mime" on Midgar characters, geez.

just to note, since at one point the bot wasn't working for me so I went to have a look, Freelancer is seemingly one to one with Aerith - she is always Freelancer, and also there are no repeat jobs in your party

Yeah I noticed that in the list, so considerate of them to give her that...

All in all I think you got pretty lucky with your draw since Blue Mage, Time Mage and Thief weren't pulled in (especially with Midgar crew), and Knight really is OP. I still don't think Knight should get Restore, but that's just me.

Now that I just smack-talked the Blue Mage I'm thinking how reliant I get with Big Guard in my speed and/or low-level runs, so would hope I draw Blue Mage on someone...

Are there more rules besides just job assignment? I know the website only mentions materia restrictions but gotta ask, since the game is pretty generous w/ basic physical attack power even if you're loaded with strength-reducing materia.

MartinFF7 posted...

Are there more rules besides just job assignment? I know the website only mentions materia restrictions but gotta ask, since the game is pretty generous w/ basic physical attack power even if you're loaded with strength-reducing materia.

yeah was wondering this but didn't see anything, pretty much the only restriction of this to me is it makes it harder to get master materia <_< and I'm bummed about not having a blue mage, E. Skill is easily the most OP materia in the game!

The easy solution is just use Aerith as long as possible between the thirty kidnappings and the stabbings.

Isquen posted...

The easy solution is just use Aerith as long as possible between the thirty kidnappings and the stabbings.

sadly not enough to "master" enemy skill so i can pass it to my mime :<

Now do FFVIII

I always wanted to do something like this.

I cant even remember if you get Aeriths materia and equipment back when she dies.

Leonhart4 posted...

Now do FFVIII

Man what would this be? The GFs you can junction or specific stats and commands only?

Anagram posted...

I cant even remember....

IIRC, you get the materia and accessory back, but not her weapon and armor.

Sage seems really good compared to some of the other mages. Like aside from specific green materia, Time Mage only gets All and towards the end of the game, Quadra Magic; Red Mage only gets W-Magic towards the end and elemental.

i've only just seen how bad time mage is - does All even pair with Comet?

Steiner posted...

yeah was wondering this but didn't see anything, pretty much the only restriction of this to me is it makes it harder to get master materia <_< and I'm bummed about not having a blue mage, E. Skill is easily the most OP materia in the game!

Agreed, but at least you'll have it through Demon's Gate... Jenova Life + Northern Continent bosses are all managed through armor/accessories, so the only really troublesome bosses thereafter are Carry Armor and Diamond Weapon.

Also, having slept on it, I decided I might as well also do this challenge now! It has been a while since I played FF7 (I don't think I even played it in 2022, sacrilege...) and I just finished Crisis Core so seems as good a time as any. Thanks again for posting about this - think it'll be fun!

In lieu of me asking somebody with a twitter account to message the Gilgabot, what I'll probably do is take the list of people on the page and pick one of them from a random number generator. So not a totally unique job assignment but there's 119 people who signed up so far so certainly plenty of randomized options.

Fiop posted...

IIRC, you get the materia and accessory back, but not her weapon and armor.

Thanks.

Steiner posted...

i've only just seen how bad time mage is - does All even pair with Comet?

lol, I'm almost certain it doesn't. so it's just All-Haste that makes it relevant (and if you have a Blue Mage, irrelevant) and maybe Gravity for the random battles, assuming you fight random battles.

To make things more difficult I'm debating between whether to turn random battles off entirely or make it a rule that I have to run/escape from any random battle I encounter. No enemy/level grinding (until maybe disc 3 for the weapon fights), and maybe some weapon restrictions for the non-physical jobs, like a white mage Cloud would be capped at... Enhance Sword? maybe I'm more worried about materia slots than I should be.

Edit: also "Ranger" is legitimately bad for boss fights, they've got pretty much nothing? makes a haste-casting Time Mage look good by comparison.

Steiner posted...

i've only just seen how bad time mage is - does All even pair with Comet?

It doesn't, but Comet 2 is automatically an all-target spell, so there's that.

pjbasis posted...

Man what would this be? The GFs you can junction or specific stats and commands only?

I've seen a challenge where you can't switch a GF once it's assigned, but I'd think a job challenge would be only being able to use certain spells and commands. It'd be interesting if you couldn't even junction spells your characters can't use, too.

MartinFF7 posted...

Edit: also "Ranger" is legitimately bad for boss fights, they've got pretty much nothing?

IIRC several bosses are weak to poison, and Ranger would at least have access to highest level bio for dealing magic damage. Also, I assume that attack and limit breaks are still good as normal.

Bio in FFVII at least does damage even if it doesn't inflict the status.

long range is all you need, do you keep forgetting that physical attacks are the best thing in the game

Cool. I'm actually replaying FFVII now, and I'm already up to Meteor being summoned, so pretty late for this, but I might try to rejigger everyone this way. I'll probably just assign the jobs how I want, instead of random, though. Feeling:

Cloud - Knight
Barret - Freelance
Tifa - Ninja
Aerith - White Mage (Whelp!)
Red XIII - Red Mage
Yuffie - Thief
Cait Sith - Blue Mage
Cid - Ranger
Vincent - Summoner

you can't use freelance as you feel it's just there so that you don't have to specialize aerith only to lose her functionality

Steiner posted...

long range is all you need, do you keep forgetting that physical attacks are the best thing in the game

Well obviously, but just talking in terms of materia restrictions! what bosses past Disc 1 can even be poisoned... turks, I guess? I would have Ranger set up in the back row w/ Fury Ring on probably, lol. Also the more we talk about physical attacks being the best the weaker this challenge seems to be!

I feel like the Cid job assignment is critical, he's in my party more often than not if only for Javelin and later Scimitar, those growth slots can't be beat. "Ninja" probably the best assignment for him, for mastering 2x Cut and Speed Plus, nice.

Steiner posted...

you can't use freelance as you feel it's just there so that you don't have to specialize aerith only to lose her functionality

Umm... maybe that's how it works when you roll up a party on the site, but couldn't anyone do anything they want if its their for fun playthrough?

ChichiriMuyo posted...

Umm... maybe that's how it works when you roll up a party on the site, but couldn't anyone do anything they want if its their for fun playthrough?

sorry i suppose my wording should be "it's not intended" but if it's your own for fun playthrough and you wanna make the rules up yourself then i dunno, go do that. hell go real crazy and make everyone a freelancer. also weird to call it a "for fun" playthrough, why do you think i am playing?

I might have to try this. I didn't really like FF7's combat because the materia system kind of homogenized everyone so that their best option was basically to spam black magic. This looks like it would get around that issue :D

Spamming black magic was rarely the best option

For people on PC I'd suggest the New Threat mod. Rebalances the combat and adds a bunch of fun new content.

It's pretty dang good

Alright, had a crap day so it's FF7 go-time. Threw the usernames in order from the fiesta site, from "1" revenantkioku through "127" simpn123

=randbetween(1,127) turns up... 55, HoppzBrkly

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/1/7/AAC56kAAEExV.jpg

ok I guess Cloud is literally just going to be my physical attacker, f'ing Ranger class. I guess it could've been worse but Mime has massive Disc 3 use, at least.

The classes I missed out on were Time Mage, White Mage, Mime and Knight. Pretty lucky draw on avoiding the first three but damn I was looking forward to having an OP Knight so that's a shame. If I'm reading this right, I literally can't equip HP Plus on anyone other than my Freelancer and since I won't be mastering it on Disc 1 I'm boned? That will make my no leveling/fighting random battles challenge more interesting, at least.

Cloud/Aerith/Barret party through Gold Saucer and then I'll swap in Red XIII.... will figure out Disc 2 onwards later. Plan is for low-level rush to final save point, will beat game, and then maybe a little bit of leveling for setting up Weapon fights. Think I can handle Emerald w/ Cloud/Cid/Yuffie party no issue, not sure about Ruby without the ol' Mime-KOTR strat though. Will be interesting!

Edit: can't even master All materia without having Tifa in my party, ok this is going to be a little annoying. Until Disc 3/W-Item tricking time at least, would be boned without Thief class, phew.

The only issue with this is that FF7 characters have roughly the same stats. I'd be nice if it adjusted their stats based on what class they randomly roll. So Knight Aerith would have better HP and Vitality growth than vanilla.

I don't know how robust FF7 edition tools are but I know when someone made mods it required ASM hacking to change growth rates, but that was decades ago.

The New Threat mod has stat increases you can allocate, actual classes and subclasses for each character and just generally rebalanced combat and encounters.

Really encourage anyone on PC who wants to re-experience FF7 to give it a try because it's a complete overhaul with removed cut content, new bosses and just extra stuff.

It even adds new dialogue and your party splits up in towns so like you can run into Tifa in bars and talk to her. And there's a way to save a certain Disc 1 character for the whole game.

Lord_Ephraim posted...

I'd be nice if it adjusted their stats based on what class they randomly roll.

I mean that sort of happens based on materia you equip.

Bumping this, hoping for a progress report from @Steiner or anyone else who's taken on this challenge?

I've been busy at work so not much time to play but I'm near end of disc 2. Probably shouldn't have combined a job class run with a low-level run, I died more in this run than in any FF7 run other than probably my first times playing the game. More than a few boss fights were touch-and-go - if I didn't pick up Magic Breath from the Stilva I think it would've been impossible to beat Carry Armor at my current levels/materia restrictions. Did just enough to destroy the arms, then Magic Hammer to stop Lapis Laser spam.

Now I've been able to breed my gold chocobo before returning to Midgar, so I got KOTR at least so my path to the end should be fine. Sticking with my original plan of beating the game, then I'll do some level/materia grinding for the Weapons challenges, pretty sure plan will be:

Emerald: Cloud (Ranger), Red XIII (Blue Mage), Yuffie (Ninja), Yuffie will have 4x Cut with Conformer and Fury Ring and Cloud/Red will be in reserve for healing and support. Little worried since I'm so used to just having HP Plus materia to be at 9999, I might be underestimating things here. Also going to try and do this without using W-Item glitch.

Ruby: Cloud (Ranger), Cid (Summoner), Barret (Sage): will do usual cheap trick of entering battle w/ only Cid alive, Phoenix once tentacles are in the ground, and then the usual Hades/Dazers to freeze + KOTR spam until dead, will have Cloud feeding them Turbo Ethers or using whatever Megalixers are left over from Emerald fight. Alternately, I may swap Barret for Yuffie though don't recall how effective Conformer is vs. Ruby Weapon. TBD, I guess.

i got out of midgar and not much further yet

np keep us updated, I've completed it in meantime.

I had Cid (Summoner) in both Weapon fights; KOTR to take out Emerald eyes when they came out and Ruby for obvious reasons, and Final Attack-Phoenix for Emerald was definitely helpful, could probably do Ruby without it but it came into play for me once (mistimed Dazers so he was unparalyzed at a bad time). So would expect you'll end up there w/ Tifa as your go-to by the end...

It's been so long I forgot this was a thing, but casting KOTR on Jenova Absolute adds on HP to Safer Sephiroth, 80,000 apparently. Only had 1 use of KOTR of course so when that didn't take out Safer the rest of the fight was a grind... I think he even got off 2 Supernovas. I saw "Deen", he never casts Deen on me damn it, lol. So that was with my low level party all around level 42, post-Weapons with everyone around 80 and two Yuffie quad-cuts was all it took, ez.

Wonder how one would do the weapon fights if you miss out on all of Summoner, Sage, Mime and Ninja classes in your draw... I guess that would be the unluckiest draw possible.

Anyways, not sure if I'll do the job class challenge next time I play FF7 but was definitely fun, thanks again for sharing it.

decided to do the RNG manually because I don't plan on playing before the fiesta is over but am planning a full series playthrough before XVI. First roll:

Cloud - Mime

lol