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Bishop9800 01/11/23 11:10:10 PM #51: |
Etna posted... DPD is probably going to let that whooping slide. They let a lot of shit slide >_> And they should. Dude deserved it. --- There's enough attention whores on CE already ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lost_All_Senses 01/11/23 11:10:35 PM #52: |
Dat_Cracka_Jax posted... I've seen cases where the person beaten actually didn't do anything or what at least what was accused. Need to leave this to play out in court Yeah. You can easily weaponize people. Im not gonna make a statement on either end tho cause I think you just set yourself up to look easily manipulated when you do and it turns out to not be true. It's like, you hope it's true so an innocent person didn't get almost beat to death. But you hope it's not true so that there wasnt really a victim aside from him. The world is a fucked up place and this is a fucked up scenario either way. --- Name checks out "I don't wanna be the toughest, I just keep it 100 and think nothin of it"- Black Thought ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 1:11:06 AM #53: |
Bishop9800 posted...
If I was on the family's jury, I would be inclined to agree. --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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runewalshPSiv 01/12/23 1:12:53 AM #54: |
FreedomCaucus posted... And if its proven he did? Then they shouldnt be arrested at all. --- There's no sensation to compare with this Suspended animation, a state of bliss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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008Zulu 01/12/23 1:17:05 AM #55: |
What do you suspect the families reaction would be, should it be proven the man they attacked was not the rapist? --- If you're not smart enough to survive, you are basically just food for something smarter. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 2:34:25 AM #56: |
FreedomCaucus posted... If I was on the family's jury, I would be inclined to agree.You don't even know the evidence of the trial yet ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 2:34:44 AM #57: |
runewalshPSiv posted... Then they shouldnt be arrested at all.That is not how the law works ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 2:38:20 AM #58: |
--- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 2:42:04 AM #59: |
FreedomCaucus posted... That movie isn't even saying it's legal. So this isn't helping your argument, and you fail to still understand that this all is dedicated on somehow magical knowing the guy really is guilty. You do not know the guy is guilty. All you know is he was accused, and the family attacked him before cops got him And as I keep telling you, even if he is guilty, what the family did is literally illegal. The Detroit PD choosing to look the other way does not mean what the family did was not a crime. It just means the Detroid PD is corrupt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 2:43:25 AM #60: |
https://youtu.be/uqH_Y1TupoQ --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 2:45:02 AM #61: |
I dont think a jury that let this family go free would even be legally allowed to do so. The trial would her overruled by the judge maybe. Or the Supreme Court. It literally is illegal what they did its impossible to deny that, for anyone who actually understands the law about mob justice. You can say you would let them free until this topic hits 500, but you will never be correct ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 01/12/23 2:46:09 AM #62: |
Background_Guy posted... I swear there was a story about a year or so ago where CE got super excited about a guy killing his daughter's rapist and then it turned out the dead guy hadn't even done itThe North remembers. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 01/12/23 2:47:03 AM #63: |
The jury is allowed to vote I know what they did is illegal but Im voting they are innocent regardless I believe, I think its called Jury Nullification. If the guy actually did rape their daughter then that would be a good reason to proceed down that route (morally) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 2:49:21 AM #64: |
FreedomCaucus posted... https://youtu.be/uqH_Y1TupoQThat has nothing to do with the situation. If it's proven someone committed a crime, some cute video won't save the criminal. Mob justice is a crime. Simple as that. And as I just said, the judge of the trial would probably overrule the jury's decision because I would hope the judge would actually understand the law. But it probably would not get to that point The jury gets instructions before the trial. They would be told you have to discover if the family beat up the accused rapist. And that's all they can do. And if the answer is yes, they have to find the family guilty You yourself already admitted they did do it. They are guilty. In a jury you would not be allowed to admit they did it, but that it was justified. If you insisted it was justified, you would be removed from the jury before the trial happened ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 2:49:47 AM #65: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... The jury is allowed to vote I know what they did is illegal but Im voting they are innocent regardless I believe, I think its called Jury Nullification. If the guy actually did rape their daughter then that would be a good reason to proceed down that route (morally)There is nothing moral about mob justice ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 2:50:53 AM #66: |
Zikten posted...
You are beyond help and also very ignorant about how the law and juries work. --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 2:51:46 AM #67: |
FreedomCaucus posted... You are beyond help and also very ignorant about how the law and juries work.No actually I am not. And I find it funny the autistic guy told to touch grass is more understanding of how the real world works than you are ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 2:52:00 AM #68: |
My own brother is a lawyer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 2:52:28 AM #69: |
Zikten posted... My own brother is a lawyer Then ask your brother about jury nullification. --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 01/12/23 2:54:01 AM #70: |
Zikten posted... There is nothing moral about mob justiceyou arent the victim or the victims family or friend ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rathinor 01/12/23 2:54:35 AM #71: |
Isn't TC SirMixaLot the fake lawyer? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 2:55:10 AM #72: |
FreedomCaucus posted... Then ask your brother about jury nullification.I maybe I will. But I already know you can't vote to set a person free who is found to have done the crime Mob justice goes against the foundation of American law. Everyone is owed a day in court. It was not the family's right to exact vengeance on this accused . And you still have not proved the accused is even guilty. Which is why mob justice doesn't work ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 2:55:44 AM #73: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... you arent the victim or the victims family or friendThat has nothing to do with anything. Mob justice is illegal. I don't have to be connected to the case to know that ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranQroppoop 01/12/23 2:58:59 AM #74: |
Not to derail the derailing of this thread but the original post was missing the studio bit from that report. There was a warrant out for this guy since Nov. "Court records show charges of home invasion, assault with intent to murder, assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder, and weapons charges - all from October 29th of last year." https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/suspect-in-teen-rape-who-was-beaten-by-family-has-long-rap-sheet-arrest-warrant-from-november He is alleged to have broke into a home and put a gun to a toddler's head and shot a friend of the kid's family. https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/man-beaten-by-family-of-his-alleged-teen-rape-victim-accused-of-holding-gun-to-toddlers-head-last-year --- Any last one-liners before I go ape on you? - Hoss Delgado Mmm, toast some marshmallows for me too Mailman.- Chris Paul ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 3:00:27 AM #75: |
The topic isn't derailed. A debate on the legitimacy of mob justice is directly tied to the point of this topic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 3:01:28 AM #76: |
Zikten posted... But I already know you can't vote to set a person free who is found to have done the crime https://i.imgur.com/BMSP41m.png https://i.imgur.com/MoIviE6.png https://i.imgur.com/Qn9cbYd.png --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 01/12/23 3:01:37 AM #77: |
Zikten posted... That has nothing to do with anything. Mob justice is illegal. I don't have to be connected to the case to know thatYoure confusing morals and legality. I wonder why that is ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 3:05:38 AM #78: |
Someone mentioned am older case where a dad killed a rapist . That was different. The rape was literally still happening and the dad walked in on it. It was decided that he was innocent by way of temporary insanity due to the extreme situation and emotions involved. He didn't wonder if it was true m he found it happening and knew it was true and went into a rage that people declared to ne both understandable and also self defense of himself and his daughter. The attack was still happening Its not the same thing as a girl telling people later she has been raped, but nobody has seen nay evidence yet and just believing her word and hunting down the guy. Emmitt Till was accused of rape and murdered even though we now know he was innocent ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 3:06:30 AM #79: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... Youre confusing morals and legality. I wonder why that isNo I am not. I know I said mob justice is not moral, but it also is not legal. I dare you find a law in America that says people can kill a person before a trial happens ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 3:06:30 AM #80: |
https://i.imgur.com/a6oCSdm.png --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 01/12/23 3:09:25 AM #81: |
How much later is later because thats an important factor. Was it moments later, hours later, weeks later? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 01/12/23 3:10:14 AM #82: |
Zikten posted... No I am not. I know I said mob justice is not moral, but it also is not legal. I dare you find a law in America that says people can kill a person before a trial happensAgain you are confusing morals and laws ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 3:12:02 AM #83: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... Again you are confusing morals and lawsExplain how then. Because I don't see it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 01/12/23 3:12:50 AM #84: |
Zikten posted... Explain how then. Because I don't see it.You are going on nonstop about the law when I specified morals ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 3:13:47 AM #85: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... You are going on nonstop about the law when I specified moralsAnd I said its not moral. But I also also said it is not legal. So I don't how mixing up morals and legality even matters. Either way, I say its wrong ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 3:14:01 AM #86: |
You're literally saying juries can be punished for getting the verdict "wrong" or that juries must rule in a way ordered by the court, which is the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 01/12/23 3:23:12 AM #87: |
Zikten posted... And I said its not moral. But I also also said it is not legal. So I don't how mixing up morals and legality even matters. Either way, I say its wrongand I said you have lesser moral standing in this since you arent part of the affected group ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 3:24:04 AM #88: |
His reaction when he has the law explained to him: https://i.imgur.com/tdCMH1f.png --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 3:29:54 AM #89: |
FreedomCaucus posted... You're literally saying juries can be punished for getting the verdict "wrong" or that juries must rule in a way ordered by the court, which is the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time.No that is not what I said. Proving you aren't understanding my posts. I said a juror get get removed from the jury before the trial happens if they can't listen to instructions. And both sides of the trial get to weed out jurors they don't like before day 1 of the trial And I said that juries have to abide by the law. The judge would accept if the trial proves the family did not beat up the accused. But if they did, then they must find the family guilty. That is literally what the law on mob justice says. The trial would not be if it was justified, it would he if the family did the beating or not. And even you admit the beating happened Kloe_Rinz posted... and I said you have lesser moral standing in this since you arent part of the affected groupNot how anything works in the law. The only thing remotely like this is if someone walks in on a still happening rape, amd then it can be defense of the victim. That does not apply if the rape was in the past and nobody but the victim witnessed it. You have to go by evidence. And proving a recent rape is extremely easy with modern technology. There was no reason for the mob to go beat him up. If he is guilty, forensics will figure it out ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 3:31:35 AM #90: |
Zikten posted... I dont think a jury that let this family go free would even be legally allowed to do so. The trial would her overruled by the judge maybe. Or the Supreme Court. /yawn --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 3:32:23 AM #91: |
FreedomCaucus posted... /yawn Zikten posted... No that is not what I said. Proving you aren't understanding my posts. I said a juror get get removed from the jury before the trial happens if they can't listen to instructions. And both sides of the trial get to weed out jurors they don't like before day 1 of the trial ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 3:32:47 AM #92: |
FreedomCaucus posted... His reaction when he has the law explained to him: --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 3:33:13 AM #93: |
I clearly understand how trials work more than you do. The person who called you a fake lawyer is probably right. A lawyer would understand all the stuff I have said ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 3:34:47 AM #94: |
FreedomCaucus posted...
FreedomCaucus posted... https://i.imgur.com/a6oCSdm.png So how were these juries "legally allowed" to let these people go, and why weren't those verdicts overturned? LMAO --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/12/23 3:36:38 AM #95: |
FreedomCaucus posted... So how were these juries "legally allowed" to let these people go, and why weren't those verdicts overturned? LMAOThose were different situations. I don't even recognize all those people. But the only one I recognize that is really like this is Kyle. Some people argue the people who attacked him were doing justified self defense from a threat. The trial ended up not deciding that. Many people disagree, even myself. But it is not the same thing as this case Finding a person not guilty of murder because you can't prove they did it, is different than a trial that says a family committed mob justice " but its ok, let him go" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 3:37:27 AM #96: |
https://publicseminar.org/2016/08/the-oj-simpson-verdict-jury-nullification-and-black-lives-matter-the-power-to-acquit/ --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 01/12/23 3:48:06 AM #97: |
Putting Zimmerman on the same level as OJ, Rittenhouse or rapists is crazy --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FreedomCaucus 01/12/23 3:49:57 AM #98: |
UnfairRepresent posted... Putting Zimmerman on the same level as OJ, Rittenhouse or rapists is crazy Theyre all examples of juries ruling the opposite way that the media and prosecutors thought they should rule. I didnt say I agree with all of them. --- https://youtu.be/o1ZgmqPZB5k ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 01/12/23 4:17:30 AM #99: |
UnfairRepresent posted... Putting Zimmerman on the same level as OJ, Rittenhouse or rapists is crazyNah ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 01/12/23 4:18:51 AM #100: |
Zikten posted... No that is not what I said. Proving you aren't understanding my posts. I said a juror get get removed from the jury before the trial happens if they can't listen to instructions. And both sides of the trial get to weed out jurors they don't like before day 1 of the trialDidnt you say you were going to ask your brother about jury nullification? Go do that please. Or maybe open a new tab in your web browser and Google it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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