Poll of the Day > Justin Roiland is facing felony domestic violence charges

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https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/rick-and-morty-co-creator-justin-roiland-domestic-violence-charges-1234660146/

For an incident in 2020. How am I just hearing about this now.

Wubba-lubba Dub Dub!

Metalsonic66 posted...

Wubba-lubba Dub Dub!

lmao

Does Rick and Morty turns you into a domestic abuser? Are there subliminal messages?

What is this guys deal? Womens self defense is vital

Metalsonic66 posted...

Wubba-lubba Dub Dub!

Something tells me this aint schwifty

papercup posted...

For an incident in 2020. How am I just hearing about this now.

Probably because the details aren't readily available. Because the specifics are unknown and the guy isn't all that famous, there probably isn't much out there.

I googled "corporal injury" and it could mean anything. It literally just means any wound that left a mark.

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/what-is-corporal-injury/

And apparently California is one of the few states that still uses the term because everywhere else has recognized it's ambiguous as fuck.

The other charge tends to be pretty broad, too. Until it goes to trail -- assuming it goes to trial -- the details won't be available.

Count_Drachma posted...

the guy isn't all that famous

Yeah, who's ever heard of Rick and Morty?

GanonsSpirit posted...

Yeah, who's ever heard of Rick and Morty?

That doesn't mean the creator is famous, plenty of creations are more famous than their creators

He's pretty well-known as VAs go at least

I've never seen a single episode of Rick and Morty, but I'm aware of it and who Justin Roiland is.

Grendel_Prime posted...

I've never seen a single episode of Rick and Morty, but I'm aware of it and who Justin Roiland is.

You're not missing out on anything. That show is dumb as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4MzF53je5M

Molitheus posted...

You're not missing out on anything. That show is dumb as fuck.

hey look everyone someone doesnt like Rick and Morty wow

I've seen stuff in the past about him being a creep so I'm not really surprised.

Garlands_Soul posted...

I've seen stuff in the past about him being a creep so I'm not really surprised.

Beating your wife goes beyond being a creep

Zareth posted...

Beating your wife goes beyond being a creep

Where did it say wife? Last I saw it said it was someone he was dating.

That in no way excuses any domestic violence simply because of the relationship.

Molitheus posted...

You're not missing out on anything. That show is dumb as fuck.

To be fair you need to have a really high IQ to really understand it

Count_Drachma posted...

I googled "corporal injury" and it could mean anything. It literally just means any wound that left a mark.

uh. Violence against a partner that just leaves a mark is not okay, guy. wtf lol

guilty until proven innocent

I always thought Justin Roiland was kinda cool, but no apparently he's a creep that beats women and sends sexual texts to underaged girls.

You hearing about it now because celebs can try to negotiate deals and that's probably what happened then the talks broke down after no deal could be reached.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/8/2/AATQZDAAEGTO.jpg

^^ What, is she underage?

Also, he's 42 years old.

@MrMelodramatic I'd delete that and/or cover up that f-word dawg might get you busted

Yellow posted...

^^ What, is she underage?

Also, he's 42 years old.

She was 16 at the time if the message

https://twitter.com/alliegoertz/status/1614098722673287168?s=46&t=Tmus555oGc9hzz6Y0xz8iw

and heres the source on that convo with a high school girl. No idea if its legit but the above tweet is definitely credible
https://twitter.com/agalaxydivided/status/1614777583488610304?s=46&t=8Jfn5c_3OVTrq5SL6-s7aw

MrMelodramatic posted...

https://twitter.com/alliegoertz/status/1614098722673287168?s=46&t=Tmus555oGc9hzz6Y0xz8iw

and heres the source on that convo with a high school girl. No idea if its legit but the above tweet is definitely credible
https://twitter.com/agalaxydivided/status/1614777583488610304?s=46&t=8Jfn5c_3OVTrq5SL6-s7aw

Some of the replies to that Tweet are... concerning, to say the least. One is literally "If 16-year-olds can get abortions, why shouldn't we be allowed to sleep with them?"

Yeah, concerning is a very diplomatic way of putting it lol

https://twitter.com/justinroiland/status/374787543155212288?s=46&t=3hsVsGVhoXqqdpotVX9Eyw

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/2/AAFUswAAEGWM.jpg

Metalsonic66 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/2/AAFUswAAEGWM.jpg

Hey its wife beater Rick.

he deserves life for these messages as an affront to language let alone the actual stuff

Hot Topic in shambles

VampireCoyote posted...

guilty until proven innocent

The Bayonetta voice actor thing just happened, people have learned nothing (not that I expected anyone to).

Being accused of a crime means just that, being accused of a crime, we the public, don't have much more information on the case other than that. The trial has not even happened yet.

The accuser has additionally requested and been granted anonymity, making judging the credibility of the accusation even harder.

I don't know if Justin Roiland is secretly a monster or not, but I know there isn't enough credible public information to prove it one way or another.

Stop jumping on bandwagons.

ForteEXE3850 posted...

The accuser has additionally requested and been granted anonymity, making judging their credibility of the accusation even harder.

Requesting anonymity when accusing a celebrity of a crime is just basic common sense. Regardless of the truth of the matter, making her identity known would put her in danger from some of the show's more... unhealthy fans. Case in point, some of the tweet responses earlier amounting to "he should be able to rape teenagers if he wants, shut up and let me watch tv."

If the allegations are credible enough to go to trial, they're pretty credible. That's all we really need to know.

ForteEXE3850 posted...

I don't know if Justin Roiland is secretly a monster or not, but I know there isn't enough credible information to prove it one way or another.

And I know you haven't looked at any of the links or screengrabs provided in this topic that provide enough credible information to prove it one way or another. That's not exactly the conduct of a decent person.

doshindude posted...

Hot Topic in shambles

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/7/AAAE8qAAEGjF.jpg

I never liked R&M, but I did like Solar Opposites. Oh well, I guess.

adjl posted...

If the allegations are credible enough to go to trial, they're pretty credible. That's all we really need to know.

You mean nobody innocent has ever been found guilty of a crime?

Revelation34 posted...

You mean nobody innocent has ever been found guilty of a crime?

lumping all crimes into this is short-sighted

there is blatant, historical and statistical under-reporting of abuse of women.

yes, there are false convictions of various crimes. what're some of the most common examples of these that are statistically significant? usually black men on false drug charges, among many other minor crimes that other folks walk away from with lesser charges.

lots of girls coming forward re: him being a creep too
https://youtu.be/-peCNzjHLU0

Revelation34 posted...

You mean nobody innocent has ever been found guilty of a crime?

Do you not understand that there's a difference between "these allegations are credible" and "the target of these allegations is guilty of the alleged crime"?

ReturnOfFa posted...

yes, there are false convictions of various crimes. what're some of the most common examples of these that are statistically significant? usually black men on false drug charges, among many other minor crimes that other folks walk away from with lesser charges.

Indeed. Influential, well-off white men charged with domestic violence aren't tremendously likely to be falsely convicted on those charges, statistically speaking. That doesn't mean a false conviction isn't possible, but the fact that he can afford his own lawyer already puts him head and shoulders above the vast majority of those that do ultimately find themselves falsely convicted for DV (to say nothing of the power it gives him to sue for defamation if his reputation is damaged by charges that turn out to be false), so it's not a particularly significant risk in this case.

ForteEXE3850 posted...

The Bayonetta voice actor thing just happened, people have learned nothing (not that I expected anyone to).

I also want to come back to this, because I think you're grossly overstating the harm that came from Taylor's nonsense. When her allegations first came out, plenty of people sided with her, yes (for good reason: they were credible allegations consistent with typical industry shenanigans), and Bayonetta 3's sales might have suffered for it if nothing had changed (at least, as much as any game's sales suffer over such boycotts, since that rarely makes a meaningful difference). Most of those people, however, responded to subsequent reports showing that she lied by changing their minds, which is what sensible people do when presented with new information that invalidates what they previously believed, so any potential loss of sales was negated. A handful of people continued to hate on Platinum for doing nothing out of the ordinary ("wrong" is a more complex judgement, since there's loads of room to criticize industry standards for VA compensation, but Platinum did at least follow those standards and therefore shouldn't be singled out), because they refused to update their opinions with new information, but they're a tiny minority that likely had no significant impact on sales or the studio's reputation.

Jumping to conclusions can be harmful in two scenarios: If harm is immediately caused, and if those that have jumped refuse to change their minds when it turns out their first impression was wrong. If neither of those conditions are true, then jumping to the initial conclusions did not cause harm. You've fixated on "look at all these people that spent a few days being wrong" as though that's some kind of terrible evil, but that's just life, dude. You can't put off every decision you're ever faced with until you have a comprehensive understanding of the situation. Sometimes, you just have to base your decision off of the best information available to you and make corrections later if it turns out that was a mistake. All any of us can do is try to minimize the total harm caused by our decision-making processes.

adjl posted...

Regardless of the truth of the matter, making her identity known would put her in danger from some of the show's more... unhealthy fans.

The show has healthy fans?



ReturnOfFa posted...

lumping all crimes into this is short-sighted

there is blatant, historical and statistical under-reporting of abuse of women.

Ehh, this is dangerous thinking. Even in the recent spate of MeToo/SpeakingOut accusations, there've been multiple false accusations that were later walked back, but which still did massive damage to the people who were accused. False reporting is absolutely a thing, even if it's less common than under-reporting.

Basically, abuse allegations are an incredibly easy way to damage someone you don't like for whatever reason. Anonymity is absolutely necessary (especially in celebrity or underage cases), but it also makes it much harder to refute publicly (and can easily encourage false reporting with less fear of negative repercussions to the accuser).

We shouldn't dismiss abuse allegations out of hand (because that discourages future legitimate victims from coming forward), but the Internet specifically (and modern culture in general) tends to have a "guilty until proved innocent, and even then still probably guilty" mentality that is incredibly repugnant and destructive.

"Ehh, there's no smoke without fire" and "Ehh, they were accused so they're probably guilty" are terrible takes no rational person should ever voice when it comes to criminal accusations online. Especially when the general public is never going to see the vast majority of evidence either for or against, so almost every opinion is coming from a place of massive ignorance. Doubly so when it just furthers the toxic mentality (and opens the door to future abuse of the system).

Basically, it's yet another case where social media in general is the bane of modern society.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The show has healthy fans?

Well, no, but there's still a spectrum.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The show has healthy fans?

Ehh, this is dangerous thinking. Even in the recent spate of MeToo/SpeakingOut accusations, there've been multiple false accusations that were later walked back, but which still did massive damage to the people who were accused. False reporting is absolutely a thing, even if it's less common than under-reporting.

Basically, abuse allegations are an incredibly easy way to damage someone you don't like for whatever reason. Anonymity is absolutely necessary (especially in celebrity or underage cases), but it also makes it much harder to refute publicly (and can easily encourage false reporting with less fear of negative repercussions to the accuser).

We shouldn't dismiss abuse allegations out of hand (because that discourages future legitimate victims from coming forward), but the Internet specifically (and modern culture in general) tends to have a "guilty until proved innocent, and even then still probably guilty" mentality that is incredibly repugnant and destructive.

"Ehh, there's no smoke without fire" and "Ehh, they were accused so they're probably guilty" are terrible takes no rational person should ever voice when it comes to criminal accusations online. Especially when the general public is never going to see the vast majority of evidence either for or against, so almost every opinion is coming from a place of massive ignorance. Doubly so when it just furthers the toxic mentality (and opens the door to future abuse of the system).

Basically, it's yet another case where social media in general is the bane of modern society.

Appreciate the line you walk. I'm definitely more emotional when I put my thoughts out there. Your response to Rev is accurate.

Just curious for examples of people you'd suggest were falsely convicted.

I still don't think there's anything wrong with my suggesting that "there is blatant, historical and statistical under-reporting of abuse of women." - as studies tend to suggest this. But I do see how this observation could be interpreted to buoy false accusations. It generally seems like the ratio of real accusations to false accusations is quite large though. Definitely important to get as much information as possible though.

Really, it'd probably be more accurate for me to say that abuse itself is simply underreported, regardless of gender.

If they were anonymous allegations from people without faces they would probably be brushed off, but they are very real people who have very real connections to Roiland that he can't just brush off. Like the Andrew situation, he knows they're all real, and he knows if he doubles down the testimonies will come down harder because then he's accusing his victims of lying.

He can't just say "I don't know these people" because there are a lot of people that witnessed all the interactions who would put their foot down. This sort of thing happened to Vinesauce, and for him it eventually came out that it was just a conspiracy against him, from a guy that put it all together out of revenge. So today all articles against him have been retracted with an apology, and his fanbase is still going strong.

So as a famous person, it's a good idea to stay out of trouble to
A) Not mess around with your fans
B) Not be a pedophile

The thing with Vinny is that from the beginning he was calling it bullshit, which was the smart thing to do because he knew it didn't actually happen. He knew there wouldn't be negative consequences to that. Justin and Andrew? All they can do is put out an apology and disappear.

Justin just let so many people down. Shitty people shouldn't aspire to be other people's heroes, but he didn't really care about that. He thinks (on record) that back in the day people were less prudent, condoning having sex with 13 year olds.

idk there're plenty of famous people that sleep around without getting accused of impropriety. I think there's a pretty clear difference between just plain ole' sexual horny people and fucking weird aggressive horny people that don't know how to communicate. but I'm still pretty with you @Yellow

Actually the one false accusation I can think of is the one against Freddie Gibbs. That one was disproven with video evidence. Although it seemed like it could've been racially biased.

Adult Swim finally fired him, and said Rick and Morty will continue. Just let it die.

They'll have to recast Rick. I can't see the show lasting much longer.

Tom Kenny as Morty
Billy West as Rick