Board 8 > Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 2-2 And I Was the MVP

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You know if Death feared public opinion so much he would have placed a vote long before now, and it wouldn't be counter voting Corrik

Everyone saying Death is "afraid of being suspected" isn't digesting the game

Well at least I can take back what I said about HB reading the game but not participating. Because apparently he's not reading either.

red13n posted...

i dont know why we'd consider han or death with ulti/corrik clearly in the background offering...no opinion on anything.

I stand by my read on Ulti. If he's busy and doing nothing the whole day, I don't see why he opens with a weak fake scan out of nowhere.

Like, Ulti is so unattached to the game.

Corrik hasn't done a whole lot and I have no reason to defend him but he claimed best girl. Also, it seems weird for you to be pushing him when you pointed him out as being a hiding Doc/Cop.

I don't think Sena would be a Doc or Cop.

Hbthebattle posted...

I wasn't feeling great about you yesterday, and the main person pursuing you, Peaf, has made some really solid points that I agree with. You've been around, for the whole of two days. And yet, you STILL haven't a vote at all, on either day! You accuse me of being listless and not making cases - who's your number one suspect? Who would you lynch if you had the choice?

My motto is that hypocrisy cant get in my way when I know what I am and not what you are.
Yeah sure you suspected Plum day1, but you didnt vote him until much later.

Also I have a vote now, but you are also in my top suspects if you must know.

I feel if Corrik was cop or doc, he would be waaaaaaaaaaay more vocal

Lopen
I think SBell has a genuine case behind him. From missing D1 deadline, to the D1 lynch analysis we did, to then (sickness reason aside) not doing much of anything today at all but voting Han because Han kept arguing about the misrepresenting him thing. At the very least, we certainly haven't seen Town SBell today. The only one in your list I'd join you on is Peaf. I don't want to vote Chang or Han today.

Okay Lopen has me kind of frustrated and confused on a few fronts, some of which is partially because Im dumb. I actively dislike the way that Lopen is creating and pushing narratives without room for doubt, while simultaneously throwing bad ideas out at Gatling-gun speed. He is insisting that I felt heat D1, tried to ascribe behaviours to Han, and has been very forceful with his conclusions. What confuses me (why Im probably dumb) is that it seems like half of what he said in topic 1 isnt really even that logically connected to what hes saying just now. He spends so much energy on this idea of me as a cult leader and then just goes off on these weird Chang and Peaf tangents this topic.

Has anyone considered the idea that Lopen was recruited N1 because he scans scum already?

I also dont like Peaf still, and its honestly somewhat concerning that Lopen just seamlessly transitioned to suspecting him. It feels deliberate. I get the impression that Lopen is hedging on the possibility of Peaf getting lynched and opening the door to look good if Peaf flips scum or cult.

Chaeix posted...

I get the impression that Lopen is hedging on the possibility of Peaf getting lynched and opening the door to look good if Peaf flips scum or cult.

I am okay with this result.

EDumey posted...

Lopen
I think SBell has a genuine case behind him. From missing D1 deadline, to the D1 lynch analysis we did, to then (sickness reason aside) not doing much of anything today at all but voting Han because Han kept arguing about the misrepresenting him thing. At the very least, we certainly haven't seen Town SBell today. The only one in your list I'd join you on is Peaf. I don't want to vote Chang or Han today.

I feel sbell has done more today in like 4 posts than Chang and Peaf have done in like 40

Being concise and to the point matters. I think scum who is lurking doesn't generally raise legitimately good talking points. They'll just baselessly say "oh this guy is scum this guy is town"

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Corrik hasn't done a whole lot and I have no reason to defend him but he claimed best girl. Also, it seems weird for you to be pushing him when you pointed him out as being a hiding Doc/Cop.

I don't think Sena would be a Doc or Cop.

That was me just poking for a potential reaction and the like. Maybe drop that into scums head.

I don't necessarily think hes necessarily cop or doc. Particularly with cop(?) flipped.

I mean, I could have bought that he was one of those on day 1. I don't know that I'd buy it day 2. Corrik tends to tip his hand when he snags any sort of information to try to make others look stupid(Which makes others not believe him).

Corrik is playing like town Corrik

Town Corrik delivers his reads and gets out. Corrik hasn't fleshed Han out but his case on you can be found in topic 1 page 2

Don't omgus, Death

Also JC I think there is 0 percent chance Peaf is lynched if I don't support it. I can read the room. Inertia lynch is clearly Death here.

Lopen posted...

Corrik is playing like town Corrik

Town Corrik delivers his reads and gets out. Corrik hasn't fleshed Han out but his case on you can be found in topic 1 page 2

Don't omgus, Death

Was gonna respond but this covers it. Good job.

I remember that.
Its the fact that he is not doing anything about it, or anything else, thats getting me to do this.

Honestly you have no place to talk to say my turn on peaf was abrupt

Read the damn day. You can clearly see that peaf is flipping hard on Chang. They're paired.

Lopen posted...

Also JC I think there is 0 percent chance Peaf is lynched if I don't support it. I can read the room. Inertia lynch is clearly Death here.

My point is that you could be reading the room and placing suspicion where theres no inertia yet, its low-risk but creates payoff later given that Peaf has been a name on a few peoples minds and inertia isnt an impossibility. Hence hedging.

Who cares. No one is doing anything. You want to reward people for doing stuff vote Han or Chang

EDumey posted...

Well at least I can take back what I said about HB reading the game but not participating. Because apparently he's not reading either.

Soft defense of death noted.

That said I am honestly inclined to switch to IGCD just for bailing the way he did.

Chaeix posted...

Hence hedging

Do you think Chang is scum? Because if you do then my gameplan is to bus two mates. If you don't we never get to Peaf because Chang flips town.

Lopen posted...

I feel sbell has done more today in like 4 posts than Chang

The majority of the posts you've made today were partially based on stuff Chang said at the top of day...

Corrik, do you not feel like you're less engaged with this game?

Lopen posted...

Who cares. No one is doing anything. You want to reward people for doing stuff vote Han or Chang

thing is the only people who would be rewarded there are probably scum

But lets play ball here
Corrik, do you think Han is scum?

Lopen posted...

Who cares. No one is doing anything. You want to reward people for doing stuff vote Han or Chang

I don't know why you would reward me for doing stuff by voting me.

Lopen posted...

Honestly you have no place to talk to say my turn on peaf was abrupt

Read the damn day. You can clearly see that peaf is flipping hard on Chang. They're paired.

I think Peaf is scum but havent figured out the Chang flip. Say Peaf is recruiter, why recruit someone that he has to totally flip his opinion on? Poor play. If theyre scumbuddies, it also just looks bad.

Lopen posted...

Who cares. No one is doing anything. You want to reward people for doing stuff vote Han or Chang

mafia is not a game about rewarding people for doing stuff

Hbthebattle posted...

Soft defense of death noted.

I have explicitly stated I think Death is not scum and that I don't support the votes on him. Please. Read the game. Refer to posts 4 and 5 of this topic to figure out why I said you weren't reading in the first place.

Lopen posted...

Do you think Chang is scum? Because if you do then my gameplan is to bus two mates. If you don't we never get to Peaf because Chang flips town.

Since I wasnt explicit in my last post, I think Chang is town.

I would prefer SBell to Death at this moment.

I would prefer Lopen or Peaf to Han or Death. I dont really have a read on SBell, I havent seen him play like this before but I dont think thats inherently scummy.

Now I wish I had told Han to just ISO me first, since the forces of laziness conspire to make this about me VS Him.

I will say I prefer Sbell to Han at this moment as well.

I prefer Han over Death.

Another honest feeling is, where the hell is Ulti?
Or (to a lesser extent) Chang?

Chang's supposed content was entirely fearmongering a cult

##Unvote:
##Vote: Peaf

htaeD posted...

That said I am honestly inclined to switch to IGCD just for bailing the way he did.

You know you'd have my support.

htaeD posted...

Another honest feeling is, where the hell is Ulti?
Or (to a lesser extent) Chang?

I have this sinking feeling that somehow red/corrik/Ulti are all scum just letting town argue amongst themselves

probably not actually the case but the idea fills me with dread

Corrik is at least here for a spell

Yeah, I think Ulti is Town, but with this absence, I'd say he needs to reconsider his schedule and interest. And if he's game to play, actually play, yes.

And Dumey, I do not agree on Peaf at all. Why, concisely, are you voting him at this juncture?

Lopen posted...

Chang's supposed content was entirely fearmongering a cult

While I didn't take a lot of notes on the specifics of the Han/Neighorizing conversation, I think this is patently false. I'm not saying it's a LOT, but he definitely did comment on other things.

From the ISO notes I didn't care to post earlier.

D2
Comes out the gate with the Neighborized claim. I'm not going to quote every post here, but I feel like Chang was forthcoming and answered questions by people like Lopen as best he could.
2.1.008 Still doesn't like Death and adds lack of vote to his reasons to dislike Death.
2.1.092 Clarifies why he thought Plum looked like town and didn't vote for him.
2.1.099 Theorizes that multiple scanners would be too easy for Town with Cult setup.
T2P3 Mostly just answers questions about Han convo with Lopen.
(Ulti) 2.1.242 In response to Chang's theorizing about multiple scanners "How is this a town reaction? To my knowledge, cultists scan guilty. Of course multiple people can figure it out, especially with open PM player flips."
2.1.253 Chang frustrated that people still talking about neighborizing and there wasn't more going on.
2.1.259 "my town tell for [Ulti] is that nothing he says ever makes sense to me but he's earnestly trying. looking good on both fronts there now"
(Death) 2.1.284 Death takes issue with post 253 because Chang was the subject of that conversation.
A small back and forth, Death explains "What I meant to say is.. You were being discussed as well. Writing that off as 'lol neighbor talk' is just lazy and a cheap way to dodge suspicion." Chang does not respond to this.
2.1.362 Chang asks for people to give opinions on SBell, 5tar, and Death. Both SBell and Death are consistent from his previous "Iffy" list, but IGCD is missing.
2.1.382 Chang responds to Dumey (that's me!) about his suspicion list, gives more input about Death being partly a prior game experience read.
Chang is more frustrated about people not talking. Seems to want to divert attention from just the conversation about him and Han. Back and forth with Lopen.
2.1.402 Chang votes Death after some prodding from Peaf.
2.2.006 Does not like Deaths' non-answer.
Nothing since then.

We are not lynching Han, or Lopen, or Peaf. End of story.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Yeah, I think Ulti is Town,

why?

Hbthebattle posted...

We are not lynching Han, or Lopen, or Peaf. End of story.

the story doesnt end until 6 cst thx

Ulti didn't draw any attention with a made up cop scan. Its a dumb argument. No negative attention anyway. Just town drawing wasted conclusions so he could sit back and do nothing.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

And Dumey, I do not agree on Peaf at all. Why, concisely, are you voting him at this juncture?

This is an assumption that there was a cult recruitment yesterday, but I think he has clearly shown the biggest difference from D1 to D2. When he gave a defense earlier of reads that he didn't flip on before, it included JC, Ulti, and Red, people who at that time were not posting at all.

red13n posted...

why?

Well gee Red, I would go into detail but I've already explained my stance on this pretty clearly.

Hbthebattle posted...

We are not lynching Han, or Lopen, or Peaf. End of story.

Then why havent you done a thing to save Han yet?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Well gee Red, I would go into detail but I've already explained my stance on this pretty clearly.

Your stance is on a bad premise. It sucks.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The majority of the posts you've made today were partially based on stuff Chang said at the top of day...

Corrik, do you not feel like you're less engaged with this game?

I have read 13 posts this game so far I think.

red13n posted...

Your stance is on a bad premise. It sucks.

Actually, it's a good premise. You faking activity by asking me a question you've already seen the answer to, now that sucks, Red