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TMOG
01/31/23 9:03:07 PM
#203:


SoTrue posted...
It always amazes me that people living in a country that committed genocide have such a problem recognizing the things that lead up to it.
It's called "denial" and it's an American tradition, thank you very much
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Revelation34
01/31/23 11:22:49 PM
#204:


CyricZ posted...

Then there's no reason for you to be here.



The irony of that statement right there. You have no reason to be in this thread either then by your own admission.

HHH_is_the_game posted...


Are you really comparing JKR to Hitler....?


Apparently there's no difference.

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St0rmFury
02/01/23 6:25:59 AM
#205:


Funkydog posted...
What's the phrase people like to use

"He's closely getting it?"

"He about to close!"

On the tip of my tongue.
Selfawarewolves?

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CyricZ
02/01/23 7:18:44 AM
#206:


Revelation34 posted...
The irony of that statement right there. You have no reason to be in this thread either then by your own admission.
I have no trouble admitting I'm personally affected by people who say we shouldn't care what JK Rowling says and does.

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Tenlaar
02/01/23 8:12:34 AM
#207:


CyricZ posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/3/0/AABkePAAEAjO.jpg
Going by that chart I think youve skipped roughly five steps to somehow land at step seven.
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CyricZ
02/01/23 8:29:59 AM
#208:


What stage do you think we're at Tenlaar?

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gunplagirl
02/01/23 8:36:57 AM
#209:


Tenlaar posted...
Going by that chart I think youve skipped roughly five steps to somehow land at step seven.
Unless there's 5 hidden extra steps that were somehow missed by everyone else, you're wrong.

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Lorenzo_2003
02/01/23 8:41:43 AM
#210:


the_pika posted...
so the right wing grift.

its weird, arent HP and her other properties famous enough as is, and without needing to resort to this?

Why do some of you keep thinking this is about money or fame?

Rogan, Chappelle, Rowling they believe what theyre saying. Theyve already got all the money they could want or need. Its called Fuck You Money for a reason. They dont have to play nice.

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gunplagirl
02/01/23 8:46:13 AM
#211:


Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Why do some of you keep thinking this is about money or fame?

Rogan, Chappelle, Rowling they believe what theyre saying. Theyve already got all the money they could want or need. Its called Fuck You Money for a reason. They dont have to play nice.
They'd rather make up some conspiracy that some groups of rich and powerful people are just grifting than consider that the aforementioned group of rich and powerful people might actually be bigoted. It's a way that those people can rest at night being sure that bigotry isn't nearly as bad or widespread as it is.

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masterpug53
02/01/23 9:08:56 AM
#212:


SoTrue posted...
It always amazes me that people living in a country that committed genocide have such a problem recognizing the things that lead up to it.

The concept of 'never forget' (in reference to the Holocaust) can be (and too often is) interpreted two very distinct ways:
1) never forget this horrible black mark on human history, and always be vigilant of the signs of it happening again
2) never forget this horrifying black mark on human history, and thank God we're better than that now, and there's no way anyone could be evil enough to ever repeat it, and people are being disrespectful idiots for drawing comparisons to it, and I'm definitely not using the concept of it as a baby blanket to shield myself from the growing signs of it happening again.

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Gwynevere
02/01/23 10:43:40 AM
#214:


Tenlaar posted...
Going by that chart I think youve skipped roughly five steps to somehow land at step seven.
Let's see:

1. Us vs them. That's a check. LGBT in general have always been seen as a "them" to society.

2. People forced to identify themselves. Sounds like the "trans people should disclose they're trans" argument to me.

3. Discrimination. There's still many places that dont classify gender identity as a protected class. Still very legal to make hiring, firing, and housing decisions based on transgender status.

4. Dehumanization. JK Rowling and others pushing rhetoric that trans women are men in dresses, looking for a chance to sexually assault women. Painting them as freaks and rapists.

5. Organization. Police have been used to crack down on LGBT rights marches for decades.

6. Propaganda. Greg Abbott, Desantis, and others are making their crusade against trans people their political headlines and talking points. All to "protect the kids"

We're pretty solidly at step 7. It's really not debatable, as history has shown.

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DrizztLink
02/01/23 10:47:13 AM
#215:


Gwynevere posted...
Still very legal to make hiring, firing, and housing decisions based on transgender status.
Half yes, half no, from what I understand.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bostock_v._Clayton_County

Gender identity (and sexual orientation) are protected classes under Title VII, but only since 2020.

Housing is still an issue.

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CyricZ
02/01/23 10:54:47 AM
#216:


Gwynevere posted...
4. Dehumanization. JK Rowling and others pushing rhetoric that trans women are men in dresses, looking for a chance to sexually assault women. Painting them as freaks and rapists.
Don't forget "groomer".

6. Propaganda. Greg Abbott, Desantis, and others are making their crusade against trans people their political headlines and talking points. All to "protect the kids"
Yep. Literally yesterday DeSantis and Trump both.

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Revelation34
02/01/23 11:19:37 AM
#217:


CyricZ posted...

I have no trouble admitting I'm personally affected by people who say we shouldn't care what JK Rowling says and does.


You're not though.

Gwynevere posted...

Let's see:

1. Us vs them. That's a check. LGBT in general have always been seen as a "them" to society.

2. People forced to identify themselves. Sounds like the "trans people should disclose they're trans" argument to me.

3. Discrimination. There's still many places that dont classify gender identity as a protected class. Still very legal to make hiring, firing, and housing decisions based on transgender status.

4. Dehumanization. JK Rowling and others pushing rhetoric that trans women are men in dresses, looking for a chance to sexually assault women. Painting them as freaks and rapists.

5. Organization. Police have been used to crack down on LGBT rights marches for decades.

6. Propaganda. Greg Abbott, Desantis, and others are making their crusade against trans people their political headlines and talking points. All to "protect the kids"

We're pretty solidly at step 7. It's really not debatable, as history has shown.


Nobody has been removed so it would only be at step 6.

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TheOtherMike
02/01/23 11:23:59 AM
#219:


Revelation34 posted...
Nobody has been removed so it would only be at step 6.

Ignoring for a moment that you're wrong about this, "we're only 6 instead of 7 on the genocide scale" isn't the winning argument you think it is.

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gunplagirl
02/01/23 11:24:36 AM
#220:


Revelation34 posted...
You're not though.

Nobody has been removed so it would only be at step 6.
There's states that are already starting to remove trans kids from their parents if the parents even consider taking them out of state for trans related healthcare. Or in some cases like Texas, doing anything to affirm gender identities others than the one forcibly assigned on someone at birth. And these anti drag bills have some states defining it so loosely that any adult wearing clothes not matching that of the sex they were assigned at birth could result in them being jailed for sex abuse. So yes, we are at step 7. And more bills like that keep getting added in to the mix.

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Gwynevere
02/01/23 12:35:28 PM
#221:


gunplagirl posted...
There's states that are already starting to remove trans kids from their parents if the parents even consider taking them out of state for trans related healthcare.
This, that's textbook removal. Ironically, kids are the easiest targets for conservatives to go after to hurt both them and their parents. "Protect the children" is simply projection so no one acknowledges that they do the most harm to families.

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FunkyCat
02/01/23 1:15:55 PM
#222:


Random customers started trying to remove trans people from supermarket bathrooms in the UK, ending up targeting Cis women in several cases.

You also have several prominent politicians and media figures wanting them segregated by law.

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Gobstoppers12
02/01/23 1:39:21 PM
#223:


This discussion always turns into a melodrama of overreaction.

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CyricZ
02/01/23 1:52:42 PM
#224:


Revelation34 posted...
You're not though
Not for you to judge.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
This discussion always turns into a melodrama of overreaction.
We know you don't care.

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Gobstoppers12
02/01/23 1:55:41 PM
#225:


CyricZ posted...
We know you don't care.
I'm not really interested in your take, to be honest. It got boring four topics ago.

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well-excuse-me
02/01/23 2:22:23 PM
#226:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
I'm not really interested in your take, to be honest. It got boring four topics ago.
Yours was never interesting
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Gobstoppers12
02/01/23 2:23:35 PM
#227:


well-excuse-me posted...
Yours was never interesting
I don't care.

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CanardElastique
02/01/23 2:52:47 PM
#228:


You don't care about hearing what others think, you don't care if others want to hear what you think..there's a lot you don't care about isn't there?

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CyricZ
02/01/23 3:14:58 PM
#229:


He says he doesn't care.

Yet here he is.

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Gwynevere
02/01/23 4:10:34 PM
#230:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
This discussion always turns into a melodrama of overreaction.
There's laws on the books discriminating against transgender people with elected officials calling for more. It literally does not get more cut and dry that they're the target of systemic oppression. You are completely detached from reality. Or trolling, or both. Doesnt really matter, either way you're proven wrong.

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Gobstoppers12
02/01/23 4:21:40 PM
#231:


Gwynevere posted...
you're proven wrong.
I don't see any proof that it's not melodramatic.

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hockeybub89
02/01/23 4:23:07 PM
#232:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
I don't see any proof that it's not melodramatic.
Next you'll tell us DeSantis only wants to protect small children from being shown porn in school.

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Gobstoppers12
02/01/23 4:25:56 PM
#233:


hockeybub89 posted...
Next you'll tell us DeSantis only wants to protect small children from being shown porn in school.
I think DeSantis is a moron.

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the_pika
02/01/23 5:08:04 PM
#234:


CyricZ posted...
What stage do you think we're at Tenlaar?

its tenlaar. He is known for defending horrible things.

ask him what he thinks of the detention camps at the border where mothers were separated from their kids. Or more specifically ask him if he thought the stories reporting those were emotional blackmail
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CyricZ
02/01/23 5:21:40 PM
#235:


Oh I know who he is. I just didn't want his words to go unchallenged.

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the_pika
02/01/23 5:41:09 PM
#236:


CyricZ posted...
Oh I know who he is. I just didn't want his words to go unchallenged.


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well-excuse-me
02/01/23 5:56:10 PM
#237:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
I think DeSantis is a moron.
Okay. Tagging you as desantis
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Gobstoppers12
02/01/23 5:59:37 PM
#238:


well-excuse-me posted...
Okay. Tagging you as desantis
Bruh, don't lump me in with him. I don't support him at all.

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DrizztLink
02/01/23 6:37:03 PM
#239:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Bruh, don't lump me in with him. I don't support him at all.
How odd, there's really no differences between you.

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Gobstoppers12
02/01/23 7:00:55 PM
#240:


DrizztLink posted...
How odd, there's really no differences between you.
I don't believe in criminalizing healthcare for young trans individuals, for one. I think that's a discussion to be had, and a decision to be made, by an individual and their doctor(s) and their supportive loved ones.

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Dyinglegacy
02/01/23 7:11:58 PM
#241:


I dont block people. Even people that I disagree with vehemently. Its the east way out and I dont want to turn my own mind into a complete echo chamber, where I only let in what I agree with and reject everything else.

occasionally, even the trolls will slip up and be real for a moment, or they will , god forbid, rarely make a valid point.

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Lorenzo_2003
02/01/23 8:18:13 PM
#243:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Yes, you are technically not wrong, but the big picture point for LGBT rights is IMO that we dont want the socio-political climate to ever start heading in the direction of a potential genocide.

Now how we go about preventing that and at what point are things clearly bad, well, Ill admit that is debatable.

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DrizztLink
02/01/23 8:22:56 PM
#245:


Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Yes, you are technically not wrong, but the big picture point for LGBT rights is IMO that we dont want the socio-political climate to ever start heading in the direction of a potential genocide.
Guess what fucking direction we're going.

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Adyingod
02/01/23 8:25:26 PM
#246:


Rowling just showing us how arrogant she is.

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Gwynevere
02/01/23 9:12:38 PM
#247:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Really wasn't that long ago that people were though. Jail if they were lucky, beaten and killed by cops if they weren't so lucky. Only a few strokes of a pen to go back to it.

You were better when you just made creepy topics about your fake wife. At least you didn't shit up other topics then

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hockeybub89
02/01/23 10:11:27 PM
#249:


Preventing trans people from receiving healthcare or being recognized by the state is pretty genocidal. There are only so many terms for politicians pulling that sort of shit.

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Kim_Seong-a
02/01/23 10:16:41 PM
#250:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Is it really so hard to believe?

The Republican party is already trying to outlaw the existence of trans people, and finding success in some areas.

A lot of places in the US have no laws against "conversion therapy", and if Republicans can set legal precedent to force de-transition (which is not out of line with how theyve been escalating legislation) it's not inconceivable that more people will be committed against their will and subjected to violent and evil practices.

I mean we just had a fucking phone hotline in Texas so you could snitch on women and doctors for abortions. Think it's crazy there'd be an "anti-groomer" phone line so a government service can "save" trans children?

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Revelation34
02/02/23 12:13:21 AM
#251:


CyricZ posted...

Not for you to judge.

We know you don't care.


That's not a judgement. You have said you are not trans yourself. Which means by your own logic of the original post you have no reason to post here.

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Tenlaar
02/02/23 2:01:16 AM
#252:


the_pika posted...
its tenlaar. He is known for defending horrible things.

ask him what he thinks of the detention camps at the border where mothers were separated from their kids. Or more specifically ask him if he thought the stories reporting those were emotional blackmail
We just went through this in the other topic. You know, the one where I posted quotes proving that you were full on lying about my position on things like this? And then you tried to dodge acknowledging it, just throwing more accusations out, and then when I called you out for not acknowledging your lies you suddenly stopped posting?

Just stop lying.
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