Current Events > Twitch streamer apologizes for watching deep fake porn of other streamers

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NeonTentacles posted...

So basically just keep the deepfakes to yourself?

Ideally you wouldn't support that concept to begin with. But while deepfakes are inherently reprehensible, they're not exactly a revolutionary new temptation for someone whose horny teen years were inundated with fakes of Katie Holmes' head 'shopped onto a pornstar's body; just a more elaborate one.

Honestly, it's a big reason why someone like me, whose mind is an unholy cesspool of naughty thoughts, gravitates towards purely-fictional characters, especially when I choose to write / draw my own erotica. Not so much out of ass-covering guilt, but because I understand how much I'd be creeped out if I knew that people were doing those kinds of things to my image without my consent.

Nah I get different tastes. But I just don't think the relationship between Pokimane's cuteness/attractiveness and her follower count / streamer fame makes any sense >_>

Pogo_Marimo posted...

You've watched very unethical porn in your life, even if you may not even know it, and you certainly don't care that you did it. You've never apologized for it either. Get off your high horse.

Wow getting defensive now

masterpug53 posted...

There's a difference between, say, privately jacking it while thinking about Janice in accounting, and telling your coworkers that you jacked it last night to Janice while Janice is well within earshot down the hall, or scribbling a crude porno of said fantasy on a notepad and brainlessly leaving it lying on your desk for Janice to notice as she walks by. And that difference is how much Janice doesn't deserve to be creeped out by this information.

I mean yeah, obviously, and it wasn't this dude's intent to broadcast it either. He got caught lacking by his chat with an honest mistake. He had a tab up on browser by mistake. I don't mind him doing an apology, what aggravates me is the indignant losers on here who think they're a model citizen when they jerk. No, you aren't. You'd be publicly humiliated if your most embarassing fantasies or porn watches were brought to light too. Stop being so judgemental.

NeonTentacles posted...

Nah I get different tastes. But I just don't think the relationship between Pokimane's cuteness/attractiveness and her follower count / fame makes any sense >_>

Cause her fame isn't from that alone and she has female followers too my guy.

WingsOfGood posted...

Wow getting defensive now

I'm not defensive, I'm accepting of other people's flaws, especially regarding something as dubious and morally gray as internet porn and masturbation. What I'm not tolerant of is people who are intentionally ignorant of their own transgressions, who weaponize this self-ignorance against others to feel morally superior.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

I mean yeah, obviously, and it wasn't this dude's intent to broadcast it either. He got caught lacking by his chat with an honest mistake. He had a tab up on browser by mistake. I don't mind him doing an apology, what aggravates me is the indignant losers on here who think they're a model citizen when they jerk. No, you aren't. You'd be publicly humiloated if your most embarassing fantasies or porn watches were brought to light too. Stop being so judgemental.

I actually put no small amount of thought into the ethicality of the adult content I consume / create. My private interests can range from weird to downright reprehensible, but like I said in an earlier post, I gravitate towards purely-fictional women when I can, especially when making my own content. When it comes to ogling real women, you never know for certain what goes on behind the scenes, but it can be reasonably inferred that they are consenting and eager to be making their content. Finally, for a number of reasons, I find celeb nude leaks and similar tabloid photography to be creepy to an uncomfortable degree, and avoid them entirely.

So if you happen to be telling me personally to stop being judgmental, you're more than welcome to stick your opinion right back up the same ass you pulled it from.

I don't get why he needs to apologize for this.

I mean maybe if he was bringing it up and mocking the streamers. But if he just jerks off to weird shit in his own time, who cares?

Bet half this topic watches weirder shit

I've never, ever thought about my friends or people I know when I jerk off.
Aside from my spouse

WingsOfGood posted...

So why you think Pokimane not attractive?

Her non-makeup look is a 7/10. She has a nice voice and hair

FatAnimeBooty posted...

Aside from my spouse

Nice try

masterpug53 posted...

you never know for certain what goes on behind the scenes, but it can be reasonably inferred that they are consenting and eager to be making their content.

And this is what everyone is ignoring. If someone is doing their own content you can assume, at the very least, they're getting a paycheck for their work and are doing it willingly.

The women having their faces put on these videos have no say and it's being circulated in public. You can jerk off to whatever you want in your head but when you start involving unwilling participants in your fantasy, it's entirely different thing.

And the fact this needs explaining here is sad, baffling and not even remotely surprising.

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What the fuck do you think about then when you jerk off without porn?

radical_rhino posted...

You have no issue with fake porn of your friends out there? it's beyond creepy. There's a thing called consent and nobody consents to having fake nudes of them.

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So you look at pictures of professional models on Instagram, memorize their bodies/faces, and then think about them at a later date while youre doing the deed? Sounds overly complicated.

LMAO what?

radical_rhino posted...

So you look at pictures of professional models on Instagram, memorize their bodies/faces, and then think about them at a later date while youre doing the deed? Sounds overly complicated.

It's not. Google their name plus deepfake. Come on bro this is the same kinda effort you use for turn signals.

radical_rhino posted...

So you look at pictures of professional models on Instagram, memorize their bodies/faces, and then think about them at a later date while youre doing the deed? Sounds overly complicated.

I sincerely hope this sounded better in your head. Because at best you're merely being disingenuous; at worst - assuming you truly live in a reality where fapping to pics of models takes that much more effort than fapping to your friends / colleagues - you probably just outed yourself as a Peeping Tom.

George McFly, active after all these years. Well hello.

Lmao are we seriously trying to wokify jerking off now?

"I ONLY jerk it to models who have preapproved for me to jerk it to them!"

Nah it is my brain and I'll jerk off to whatever I want thanks.

Jennywentnorth8 posted...

Lmao are we seriously trying to wokify jerking off now?

"I ONLY jerk it to models who have preapproved for me to jerk it to them!"

Nah it is my brain and I'll jerk off to whatever I want thanks.

I'm sorry, just to be clear here, did you just call consent "woke"?

It's honestly been a long time since someone posted something so thoroughly worthless that it warranted an instant trip to the ignore list.

AI does it again!!

ArchNemo posted...

I'm sorry, just to be clear here, did you just call consent "woke"?

When it comes to masturbating alone in your bedroom? Yes.

Deepfake is wrong, what he did was wrong, he apologized. Right now there are no laws against what he DID. Until we make laws then move on. To pretend like Pokimane isnt make good money off people who want to masturbate to her is also insane

Streamers really need to treat their streaming rig as a work computer. Just use your phone when you want to crank it.

__aCEr__ posted...

Streamers really need to treat their streaming rig as a work computer. Just use your phone when you want to crank it.

Seriously lol

I feel like if I showed my gf or my friends the porn I jo'd to they would be like "okay?"

But if I showed them porn that I purchased of my best female friend pasted on top of someone's face they would definitely have some issue with that. Idk, seems like a weird and unethical thing to do if you're brain isn't completely fucked.

SuperShake666 posted...

Wait, we have to apologize for just watching deepfakes now?

I mean yes porn deepfakes are immoral and creepy.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

You'd be publicly humiliated if your most embarassing fantasies or porn watches were brought to light too. Stop being so judgemental.

It's a good thing that I'm not the one big enough to get caught on stream with a stray tab then, I guess.

This entire situation is just goofy. It would've been easy to simply close the tab after you were finished.

And that's before getting into the morality of watching this kind of content...

Jennywentnorth8 posted...

When it comes to masturbating alone in your bedroom? Yes.

Nobody is talking about what you masturbate to in your own head. They're talking about taking a non-consenting individual, putting their face in a porn video, and then making that video publicly available.

People who are defending him are either tacitly, or openly in a lot of cases, defending deepfakes in general.

So again, what is woke about consent?

Oh and let's not ignore the other problem which is not only the problem of these videos being made and publically uploaded, but also that a lot of these people are making money off the image of these celebrities getting fucked that they not only didn't consent to, but also never see a dime for.

I think the most universally accepted lesson we all learned from this experience is to close your porn tabs when you're done >_>

Pogo_Marimo posted...

IDK dude, people have always jacked off thinking of their attractive friends and co-workers. Obviously seeking out deepfakes of your friends and co-workers is an extremely niche problem to even be able to have, but.... How much worse is it than watching porn and thinking about fucking your friend while masturbating? One of them has a computer put a fake face on a porn star, and the other one has your imagination put a fake face on the porn star.

Deepfakes are morally wrong, but really let's not pretend this behavior is some weird anomaly from normal human sexual behavior. If we could all turn our sexual imagination into something real and tangible we would. Furthermore, we have all masturbated to material that was not explicitly made for sexual gratification with implied permission from the creator to masturbate to. Deep fakes are just the new and strange thing.

Oh....so what if he pays for deepfakes of underage? Or his wifes sister? Or his own sister? I guess that doesn't matter because it's only fake?

ArchNemo posted...

Nobody is talking about what you masturbate to in your own head. They're talking about taking a non-consenting individual, putting their face in a porn video, and then making that video publicly available.

People who are defending him are either tacitly, or openly in a lot of cases, defending deepfakes in general.

So again, what is woke about consent?

Oh and let's not ignore the other problem which is not only the problem of these videos being made and publically uploaded, but also that a lot of these people are making money off the image of these celebrities getting fucked that they not only didn't consent to, but also never see a dime for.

Making and monetizing a deepfake? Nah I agree that's a dick move.

But trying to tell someone else that they can't jerk off alone in their bedroom to that same perfectly legal, albeit again a total dick move, vid they found on pornhub? Like ya know, what this guy did, what this whole topic is about. We have officially breached the "too woke" section.

Now maybe I missed something and this twitcher turned out to be the deepfake mastermind that has the world in his clutches making billions off poor pokimane. But as far as I know he is just a dude who jerked off to a video.

PH has actually banned all deepfake vids. Even deepfake ads. So the guy lied about that to begin with. Regardless of its legality (which is grey at best) they've been pretty much universally seen as ethically wrong.

Jennywentnorth8 posted...

Making and monetizing a deepfake? Nah I agree that's a dick move.

But trying to tell someone else that they can't jerk off alone in their bedroom to that same perfectly legal, albeit again a total dick move, vid they found on pornhub? Like ya know, what this guy did, what this whole topic is about. We have officially breached the "too woke" section.

Now maybe I missed something and this twitcher turned out to be the deepfake mastermind that has the world in his clutches making billions off poor pokimane. But as far as I know he is just a dude who jerked off to a video.

If you don't think he needs to apologize you don't think he did anything wrong, if you don't think he did anything wrong then you don't think deep fakes are unethical. It's all the same topic, and it one hundred percent is.

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...? Uh... nope? Just checked my brain again. I most certainly can be. It is literally the same thing as not being a vegetarian. Yeah sure would be nice if cows and chickens weren't treated so horribly, but sure as hell doesn't mean I am going to stop eating hamburgers.

NeonTentacles posted...

I think the most universally accepted lesson we all learned from this experience is to close your porn tabs when you're done >_>

At the very least, yes. A previous poster hit the nail on the head by suggesting that, if these types are going to treat streaming like a profession, then they need to bring at least a base level of professionalism to it.

In other news: deepfake porn searches have SKYROCKETED

So this thread suggesting some men get more aroused thinking of their poor friends who they call friend and surely isn't just someone who wouldn't date them....
Then actual models who purposely make sexy content.....

NeonTentacles posted...

Literally how do people like this function in everyday life? >_>

They don't that's why they are streamers.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

You've watched very unethical porn in your life, even if you may not even know it, and you certainly don't care that you did it. You've never apologized for it either. Get off your high horse

Two wrongs don't make a right. They make two wrongs.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

We've all, especially when we were younger, masturbated to pictures of celebrities or acquintances in bikinis or sexy photos. I'm not going to deny that, and I'm not going to believe you if you deny that. Men do it and women do it. So why isn't that extremely creepy behavior too? Furthermore, I can GUARANTEE most men and probably most women would watch a convincing video of their crush in a deepfake, if not at least for curiosity--Most people just don't have the luxury of that being an option.

It's not creepy because the celebrities in their photos intentionally consent to that by producing AND DISTRIBUTING the material. Taking the face of someone who never consented, and producing material to pretend they did, is creepy.
It is NOT the same. That's like your friends producing material of you specifically to jack off to. How would you not feel weird if you found out? You'd say "oh I used to fantasise about Pamela Anderson, so it's the same thing. No worries bro."

As for curiosity, that drives a lot of things. People watch car crashes on Youtube. Will it be ok to watch deepfakes of your friends being in car crashes?

Pogo_Marimo posted...

I don't believe, however, that you can morally draw a line between fantasizing about someone sexually and watching a fake video of them.

There are people and situations you shouldn't be fantasizing over. But that's another rabbit hole that I'm sure you'll end with "did u ever? that means you cant tell anyone else not to" narrative. It's ok to warn others of things you did that you wish you didnt, even things currently. Best person to speak about addiction is someone who was or is addicted.
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WingsOfGood posted...

So this thread suggesting some men get more aroused thinking of their poor friends who they call friend and surely isn't just someone who wouldn't date them....
Then actual models who purposely make sexy content.....

I didn't read the original post that said this and I am sure not going through 150 posts lookin for it, but I get it. Having a layer of realism to your jerk off fantasy adds to it. My female friend has said the same thing before too so it really isn't that uncommon.