Current Events > Twitch streamer apologizes for watching deep fake porn of other streamers

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Despised posted...

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss80dv

I have spoken with Morrison and am working to cover the financial cost of the takedown as well as all legal fees for all women affected to use his services for removing their unwanted content from the web.

Lastly, to anyone who has expressed the sentiment of "support" that what I did wasn't wrong, or that I shouldn't apologize- Fuck you. Sincerely. I do not want your support, I do not stand with you.

This will be the last time you hear from me for a while. I'd rather you see my actions. I will try my absolute hardest to combat the damage I caused.

Thank you.

big a why did you have to goof so bad man

So he's going to be broke?

deanshow posted...

Bruh you're a fucking creep

Nah dude he's owning us. He doesn't sound deranged at all.

Anyone who watches deep fake porn needs to seek help, seriously

apocalyptic_4 posted...

Anyone who watches deep fake porn needs to seek help, seriously

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about with my posts in this topic. Absolutely oblivious and indignant. Totally normalizing of their own inherently immoral sexual self-gratification but scathingly critical of others.

Do you watch porn? Have you watched actual porn videos of pornstars? Have you watched amateur porn? Then you have inevitably at some point watched stuff that is deeply unethical. Abusive sets, non-consensual uploads, problematic content, human trafficking, ect. You probably don't even realize because of how little you care about ethical consumption. That's fine because almost nobody cares about ethical consumption in porn. Just get off your high horse. The dude jerked off to some sketchy stuff, but he's not fucking mentally ill for it.

Watching a porno of someone else's face pasted on another person's body especially a co workers is flat out creepy. The difference with regular porn is they choose to do it rather than some weirdo using modern tech to make his fantasy a reality it's gross

Pogo_Marimo posted...

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about with my posts in this topic. Absolutely oblivious and indignant. Totally normalizing of their own inherently immoral sexual self-gratification but scathingly critical of others.

Do you watch porn? Have you watched actual porn videos of pornstars? Have you watched amateur porn? Then you have inevitably at some point watched stuff that is deeply unethical. Abusive sets, non-consensual uploads, problematic content, human trafficking, ect. You probably don't even realize because of how little you care about ethical consumption. That's fine because almost nobody cares about ethical consumption in porn. Just get off your high horse. The dude jerked off to some sketchy stuff, but he's not fucking mentally ill for it.

If I buy a laptop from someone on Facebook it might be stolen, I don't know, but I can only assume it's not because that's what I'm being told.

If someone tells me that laptop is stolen and I still buy it, I can't argue it's not unethical because I'm not the one who stole it. It would have been stolen anyway and someone else would have bought it if I didn't.

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I don't see how that's a weird defense considering it is stark and obvious evidence of people's complete lack of interest in ethical consumption of porn ASIDE FROM when "ethical consumption" can be used as a bludgeon against people for doing things they don't like. That's just fucking hypocrisy on its bare face. We all steal porn from hardworking porn creators, we all watch whatever pops up on our free tube sites front page, none of us spend a moment to consider the ethical creation of the porn.

Choosing to be ignorant of how unethical your porn is is not somehow a defense to how unethical your porn. You just don't care to make the effort. I don't particularly care either. But I don't sit around and judge someone else like I'm a paragon of porn morality because they want to jerk it to someone they know. Masturbating to people we know is one of the longest sexual traditions to humanity. Making a deepfake of someone is deeply unethical but it's not like masturbating to a deepfake is some completely anomalous, heinous, and non-analogous act. It's normal. It's mainstream. And it's about as unethical as a lot of the porn we already watch. The problem people have is it's new, but the problems people ignore in professional porn are significantly more harmful--Again, abuse, rape, human trafficking, non-consensual/revenge porn, intimidation, exploitation. Porn you've watched has almost certainly featured these things in the production of it, and these things were not unavoidable when you chose to watch porn. You just didn't care.

ArchNemo posted...

If I buy a laptop from someone on Facebook it might be stolen, I don't know, but I can only assume it's not because that's what I'm being told.

If someone tells me that laptop is stolen and I still buy it, I can't argue it's not unethical because I'm not the one who stole it. It would have been stolen anyway and someone else would have bought it if I didn't.

I am glad to see you finally agree with me! You are absolutely right! It does not matter if you buy that laptop or not at that point. So you might as well just buy it.

Man if you told me yesterday that Archnemo and I would become stalwart allies I would have called you crazy, but here we are standing hand in hand on the laptop analogy. We did it man

Despised posted...

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss80dv

I have spoken with Morrison and am working to cover the financial cost of the takedown as well as all legal fees for all women affected to use his services for removing their unwanted content from the web.

Lastly, to anyone who has expressed the sentiment of "support" that what I did wasn't wrong, or that I shouldn't apologize- Fuck you. Sincerely. I do not want your support, I do not stand with you.

This will be the last time you hear from me for a while. I'd rather you see my actions. I will try my absolute hardest to combat the damage I caused.

Thank you.

big a why did you have to goof so bad man

Literally 2 days ago he was on the other side of this lol

Jennywentnorth8 posted...

I am glad to see you finally agree with me! You are absolutely right! It does not matter if you buy that laptop or not at that point. So you might as well just buy it.

Man if you told me yesterday that Archnemo and I would become stalwart allies I would have called you crazy, but here we are standing hand in hand on the laptop analogy. We did it man

lol When you put it that way.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Choosing to be ignorant of how unethical your porn is is not somehow a defense to how unethical your porn. You just don't care to make the effort. I don't particularly care either. But I don't sit around and judge someone else like I'm a paragon of porn morality because they want to jerk it to someone they know. Masturbating to people we know is one of the longest sexual traditions to humanity. Making a deepfake of someone is deeply unethical but it's not like masturbating to a deepfake is some completely anomalous, heinous, and non-analogous act. It's normal. It's mainstream. And it's about as unethical as a lot of the porn we already watch. The problem people have is it's new, but the problems people ignore in professional porn are significantly more harmful--Again, abuse, rape, human trafficking, non-consensual/revenge porn, intimidation, exploitation, theft/copyright infringement. Porn you've watched has almost certainly featured these things in the production of it, and these things were not unavoidable when you chose to watch porn. You just didn't care.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about with my posts in this topic. Absolutely oblivious and indignant. Totally normalizing of their own inherently immoral sexual self-gratification but scathingly critical of others.

Do you watch porn? Have you watched actual porn videos of pornstars? Have you watched amateur porn? Then you have inevitably at some point watched stuff that is deeply unethical. Abusive sets, non-consensual uploads, problematic content, human trafficking, ect. You probably don't even realize because of how little you care about ethical consumption. That's fine because almost nobody cares about ethical consumption in porn. Just get off your high horse. The dude jerked off to some sketchy stuff, but he's not fucking mentally ill for it.

Watching porn and creating porn of other people isn't the same thing. "Nobody cares about what's ethical in porn, you watch videos of people's heads being chopped off without their consent, this os the internet, watch deep fakes using kids photos if u want, lol wat about ur iphone made unethically, u can't say nothing lol"

Literally your defence is "if u can't prove everyone in every porn vid you ever watched was there with full financial freedom and no pressure or manipulation or regret, it's the exact same thing as creating and distributing deep fakes of people who don't want it. Exactly the same. We're all guilty, so you can not speak out ever against unethical or immoral practices in porn, just like someone who smokes cigarettes can't tell other people they shouldn't smoke! Thats much much worse, to tell someone they were wrong! "

It's the same as the argument earlier of "lol u fantasise in ur head, it's the exact same thing as creating actual porn!!"

It fails but you fail to understand why, blaming it solely on a double standard and social justice warriors and virtue signalling. And you are unable to accept why people are uncomfortable with it, precisely because you are saying "lol we all do the same so its not that bad"

Thankfully Atrioc doesn't stand with you, and he knows your bs for what it is.
It's a shame because you're not someone saying we need to look at how we sexualise women in society. You're not someone saying that perhaps porn goes too far in some cases, this being one of them. You're not someone saying he should have discussed it with the people he made it of FIRST before the apology.
No you don't care about any of that. Instead you're more worried about kinkshaming and fighting society and you see Atrioc being bullied by everyone while you alone stand up for him.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

I don't see how that's a weird defense considering it is stark and obvious evidence of people's complete lack of interest in ethical consumption of porn ASIDE FROM when "ethical consumption" can be used as a bludgeon against people for doing things they don't like. That's just fucking hypocrisy on its bare face. We all steal porn from hardworking porn creators, we all watch whatever pops up on our free tube sites front page, none of us spend a moment to consider the ethical creation of the porn.

Choosing to be ignorant of how unethical your porn is is not somehow a defense to how unethical your porn. You just don't care to make the effort. I don't particularly care either. But I don't sit around and judge someone else like I'm a paragon of porn morality because they want to jerk it to someone they know. Masturbating to people we know is one of the longest sexual traditions to humanity. Making a deepfake of someone is deeply unethical but it's not like masturbating to a deepfake is some completely anomalous, heinous, and non-analogous act. It's normal. It's mainstream. And it's about as unethical as a lot of the porn we already watch. The problem people have is it's new, but the problems people ignore in professional porn are significantly more harmful--Again, abuse, rape, human trafficking, non-consensual/revenge porn, intimidation, exploitation, theft/copyright infringement. Porn you've watched has almost certainly featured these things in the production of it, and these things were not unavoidable when you chose to watch porn. You just didn't care.

Nobody is choosing to be ignorant, but the average person can't possibly be aware of every instance of injustice in every industry of everything they consume.

But that's certainly not a reason to ignore injustices that are blatantly thrown in your face.

Jennywentnorth8 posted...

It does not matter if you buy that laptop or not at that point. So you might as well just buy it.

This.
This is the outcome.
Not an attempt to return the item to it's rightful owner.

Knowingly buying stolen goods is still wrong and in most cases illegal or at the least, still eligible for confiscation by the police. Where's the comparison? What on earth are you talking about? "May as well buy it anyway!"

These guys think they're being edgy comedic contrarians.

Jennywentnorth8 posted...

I am glad to see you finally agree with me! You are absolutely right! It does not matter if you buy that laptop or not at that point. So you might as well just buy it.

Man if you told me yesterday that Archnemo and I would become stalwart allies I would have called you crazy, but here we are standing hand in hand on the laptop analogy. We did it man

I dunno what you're talking about, but if your posts have accomplished anything it's that with your vehement defense of not being a rapist despite nobody making that claim, and your idea that consent is woke, that it made me question whether you jerking off to deepfakes is not a net gain as long as it keeps you away from real women.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Sega hit the nail on the head when he said that people like Pogo don't actually care about any of this. They only care about that fact that some guy is getting (in their eyes) unfairly dogpiled on by the internet, and want to rush to his defense no matter the subject or context; the knee-jerk 'well you all are probably just as bad' reaction comes first, the attempted justification comes second.

We are approaching a time where people will be able to produce deep fakes of anyone including love ones, that's the issue and it's beyond unethical to sit here and pretend that's ok because it involves strangers we don't know.

Sega9599 posted...

Literally your defence is "if u can't prove everyone in every porn vid you ever watched was there with full financial freedom and no pressure or manipulation or regret, it's the exact same thing as creating and distributing deep fakes of people who don't want it. Exactly the same.

I'm not defending the production of deep fakes you utter dunce. I don't know how many times I have to say that, and I quote, "Making a deepfake of someone deeply unethical" for you to get it through your thick skull. The production of unethical content should be illegal. Deepfakes should be illegal.

I'm not going to sit here and tar and feather the people who didn't make or publish the deepfake though. I'm not going to tar and feather people who steal porn (Which is all of you, you've all stolen porn and it was obvious when you stole it. I know it and you know it). I won't tar and feather people who steal music. I won't tar and feather people who've watched shady porn. I tar and feather people who've watched people die on video. I won't tar and feather people for fantasizing about people they know. I won't tar and feather people for watching exploitative videos on YouTube or Tik Tok. These are such common, normal, yet dubious actions that so many people make that we have to acknowledge that... People aren't perfect.

We live in a society that has intentionally torn down every barrier for what we could consider "ethical consumption" so that we all live in glass houses yet we all have stones. Atrioc watching those deepfakes was a dumb thing to do, but it wasn't a malicious act. A simple apology is appropriate. None of us have the standing, though, to judge him. None of us are saints.

Sega9599 posted...

This.
This is the outcome.
Not an attempt to return the item to it's rightful owner.

Knowingly buying stolen goods is still wrong and in most cases illegal or at the least, still eligible for confiscation by the police. Where's the comparison? What on earth are you talking about? "May as well buy it anyway!"

These guys think they're being edgy comedic contrarians.

Lmao yeah man defending jerking off is definitely the contrarian stance in all of this.

I know you tried to put some realism twist on the laptop analogy, but that wasn't the point of the laptop analogy. Yes man in a perfect world every single laptop ever has a label on the bottom with the previous owner's address and the person who stole it has no idea how to wipe a harddrive.

But that isn't how it goes, and it isn't the point of the laptop analogy. You are not going to find the owner of that laptop. The person who comes in next to look at that laptop is also not going to find the owner of that laptop. If you buy that laptop and give it to the police, they will not find the owner of that laptop. The fate of that laptop from this point forward will always just be on a strangers lap, and whether or not you buy it does not change this. You are powerless in the moral battle of this laptop. It is done. So just buy the laptop. Or AT THE VERY LEAST don't be a bitch to the person who does decide to buy it.

masterpug53 posted...

Sega hit the nail on the head when he said that people like Pogo don't actually care about any of this. They only care about that fact that some guy is getting (in their eyes) unfairly dogpiled on by the internet, and want to rush to his defense no matter the subject or context; the knee-jerk 'well you all are probably just as bad' reaction comes first, the attempted justification comes second.

You assume. A lot of the people in this topic make it seem a lot more likely that they also want to jerk off to unethical things but don't want to actually have to look themselves in the mirror and admit what they're doing is fucked up, so they not only have to defend it, but actually have to make it seem like they're morally superior for choosing to continue watching it. Which is the most fucked up thing about this.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Yes, I am of the shocking opinion that we should be less judgmental of others. That used to be considered a virtue, but nowadays if you're not constantly finding people to mock and hate then you're the weird one.

This could not be any more perfect if I had planned this, holy shit.

masterpug53 posted...

Sega hit the nail on the head when he said that people like Pogo don't actually care about any of this. They only care about that fact that some guy is getting (in their eyes) unfairly dogpiled on by the internet, and want to rush to his defense no matter the subject or context; the knee-jerk 'well you all are probably just as bad' reaction comes first, the attempted justification comes second.

Yes, I am of the shocking opinion that we should be less judgmental of others. That used to be considered a virtue, but nowadays if you're not constantly finding people to mock and hate then you're the weird one.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

I'm not defending the production of deep fakes you utter dunce. I don't know how many times I have to say that, and I quote, "Making a deepfake of someone deeply unethical" for you to get it through your thick skull. The production of unethical content should be illegal. Deepfakes should be illegal.

I'm not going to sit here and tar and feather the people who didn't make or publish the deepfake though. I'm not going to tar and feather people who steal porn (Which is all of you, you've all stolen porn and it was obvious when you stole it. I know it and you know it). I won't tar and feather people who steal music. I won't tar and feather people who've watched shady porn. I tar and feather people who've watched people die on video. I won't tar and feather people for fantasizing about people they know. I won't tar and feather people for watching exploitative videos on YouTube or Tik Tok. These are such common, normal, yet dubious actions that so many people make that we have to acknowledge that... People aren't perfect.

We live in a society that has intentionally torn down every barrier for what we could consider "ethical consumption" so that we all live in glass houses yet we all have stones. Atrioc watching those deepfakes was a dumb thing to do, but it wasn't a malicious act. A simple apology is appropriate. None of us have the standing, though, to judge him. None of us are saints.

Why is it so hard for you to watch stuff that isn't someone's face placed over a naked body? A situation where neither party is able to give consent.

You're picking the wrong battle here. There are other options that don't involve invading a person's consent.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Yes, I am of the shocking opinion that we should be less judgmental of others. That used to be considered a virtue, but nowadays if you're not constantly finding people to mock and hate then you're the weird one.

Wow, thank you for so aptly proving my point.

ArchNemo posted...

I dunno what you're talking about, but if your posts have accomplished anything it's that with your vehement defense of not being a rapist despite nobody making that claim, and your idea that consent is woke, that it made me question whether you jerking off to deepfakes is not a net gain as long as it keeps you away from real women.

Hey thanks man just glad to see you are coming around to the whole jerkin it to deepfakes thing. Birds of a feather like you and I gotta stick together ya know.

ArchNemo posted...

You assume. A lot of the people in this topic make it seem a lot more likely that they also want to jerk off to unethical things but don't want to actually have to look themselves in the mirror and admit what they're doing is fucked up, so they not only have to defend it, but actually have to make it seem like they're morally superior for choosing to continue watching it. Which is the most fucked up thing about this.

That's fair. I do have a lot of missing posts in this topic, so it's clear that I'm literally ignoring one of the juicier meltdowns. I guess I was focusing exclusively on Pogo in this instance, who's being more and more obviously disingenuous with every post.

This dude jerking off isn't worth a damn near 400 post thread

masterpug53 posted...

That's fair. I do have a lot of missing posts in this topic, so it's clear that I'm literally ignoring one of the juicier meltdowns. I guess I was focusing exclusively on Pogo in this instance, who's being more and more obviously disingenuous with every post.

Yeah, one guy keeps quoting people saying he's going to jerk off to them without their consent while still thinking he's not coming across as a psychopath.

glad to know he won't be doing such disgusting things, and will go back to ethically jerking off over their instagram holiday pics instead.

Imagine printing out pics of porn and pasting your friends' face on it. Like we can all agree that's fucking psycho shit right? This is the same thing lol

Smashingpmkns posted...

Imagine printing out pics of porn and pasting your friends' face on it. Like we can all agree that's fucking psycho shit right? This is the same thing lol

I agree that "printing out pics of porn" would be pretty strange, yes

masterpug53 posted...

That's fair. I do have a lot of missing posts in this topic, so it's clear that I'm literally ignoring one of the juicier meltdowns. I guess I was focusing exclusively on Pogo in this instance, who's being more and more obviously disingenuous with every post.

In what ways am I being disingenuous? I have stated everything I believe. Deepfakes are deeply unethical and should be banned, just like other forms of unethical distribution/production of porn. People constantly and knowingly consume unethical porn despite that though--The most abundant example of this is theft, wherein a video is reuploaded without permission to tube sites. I won't go through more examples in this post. Most porn viewers don't even make a cursory effort to ensure their porn is ethical--That is to say, purchasing or consuming porn from companies and content creators with a ethical track record. The reason for this is extremely obvious--Convenience and cost. Despite that, certain people are absolutely chomping at the bit to criticize someone else's viewing habits because it is another great lolcow for them to laugh at or hate. I find the hypocrisy disturbing but, of course, no one wants to confront their own hypocrisy--Thus, I have had virulent misrepresentations made about my arguments. For example:

1. I love deepfakes. I don't. I think they're pretty gross but the underlying motivation to watch them is very obviously understandable.
2. I don't think deepfakes are unethical. That's obviously not true as I've said multiple times. Ban deepfakes, they are an essentially non-consensual use of a person's likeness for potentially damaging reasons.
3. I'm providing a smokescreen of unethical porn. I'm not. If I could snap my finger and make non-consensual or exploitative porn disappear I would. Lord knows there's enough porn on the internet that I wouldn't even notice a difference.
4. That I'm anti-woke or alt-right. I'm not. I am probably one of the more pro-communism, pro-"woke", pro-lgbtq+, pro-diversity people on this board, which is exactly in line with my views that we should be less judgmental of others for things like their sexual behaviors on line.

There, that's the topic. Have fun. I've said everything I've needed to at this point.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

In what ways am I being disingenuous? I have stated everything I believe. Deepfakes are deeply unethical and should be banned, just like other forms of unethical distribution/production of porn. People constantly and knowingly consume unethical porn despite that though--The most abundant example of this is theft, wherein a video is reuploaded without permission to tube sites. I won't go through more examples in this post. Most porn viewers don't even make a cursory effort to ensure their porn is ethical--That is to say, purchasing or consuming porn from companies and content creators with a ethical track record. The reason for this is extremely obvious--Convenience and cost. Despite that, certain people are absolutely chomping at the bit to criticize someone else's viewing habits because it is another great lolcow for them to laugh at or hate. I find the hypocrisy disturbing but, of course, no one wants to confront their own hypocrisy--Thus, I have had virulent misrepresentations made about my arguments. For example:

1. I love deepfakes. I don't. I think they're pretty gross but the underlying motivation to watch them is very obviously understandable.
2. I don't think deepfakes are unethical. That's obviously not true as I've said multiple times. Ban deepfakes, they are an essentially non-consensual use of a person's likeness for potentially damaging reasons.
3. I'm providing a smokescreen of unethical porn. I'm not. If I could snap my finger and make non-consensual or exploitative porn disappear I would. Lord knows there's enough porn on the internet that I wouldn't even notice a difference.
4. That I'm anti-woke or alt-right. I'm not. I am probably one of the more pro-communism, pro-"woke", pro-lgbtq+, pro-diversity people on this board, which is exactly in line with my views that we should be less judgmental of others for things like their sexual behaviors on line.
There, that's the topic. Have fun. I've said everything I've needed to at this point.

So your take is essentially that you believe that deepfakes are unethical, non-consensual, and wrong but that we shouldn't judge people that unrepentantly and continually indulge in it?

Because the people who are defending the streamer, and who you are defending, are straight up saying that what he did isn't wrong and that they will continue to indulge in non-consensual porn. And that this is the same as people who can't possibly be privvy to the background of everything they consume.

ArchNemo posted...

So your take is essentially that you believe that deepfakes are unethical, non-consensual, and wrong but that we shouldn't judge people that unrepentantly and continually indulge in it?

Because the people who are defending the streamer, and who you are defending, are straight up saying that what he did isn't wrong and that they will continue to indulge in non-consensual porn. And that this is the same as people who can't possibly be privvy to the background of everything they consume.

What I am saying is that our consumption of porn is deeply unethical regardless of what anyone claims when they talk shit on the internet. Just look at your very own statement:

"Nobody is choosing to be ignorant, but the average person can't possibly be aware of every instance of injustice in every industry of everything they consume."

My brother in Christ, you do not have to consume porn if you do not have obvious positive proof that it is ethical. You still choose to consume the porn because the alternative is inconvenient.

If you are making a choice to consume a piece of porn, then the ethical requirement would be for you to get satisfactory evidence that it was produced AND distributed ethically. You do not do that. I do not do that. Basically nobody does that. The reason is because it's inconvenient. The alternative is not watching porn. That's right. Not watching porn is also an option, and it's guaranteed to be ethical. Ignorance of your transgressions is not an excuse to continue to make the same poor choices that lead to unethical behavior 5 times a week to destress after work.

Want to know ways to make your porn choices more ethical? Go buy porn directly from independent producers with no history of allegations or criminal charges. Research who the directors and producers are of a piece of porn you want to watch and see if they have any red flags. Check to make sure the porn was filmed somewhere with comprehensive and safe regulations to protect workers. Because watching porn without positive evidence of it being produced ethically... Is like having sex without positive affirmation of consent.

Now, does everything I just said make you mad? Was your instinctive reaction to go, "No, that's not true! Because, when, because... It can't be true because it's not the same!" Yeah, well, that's called cognitive dissonance. I don't know how many times I need to say it, but none of us are ethical consumers of porn. We steal it from tube sites and do no research whatsoever. Just assuming it's ethical doesn't mean you're meeting a reasonable ethical standard just like assuming you have consent does not mean you have consent. What you're doing is not ethical. What your doing is shrugging your shoulders and saying, "Good enough!", then pretending you're superior to others. You're not. Get off your high horse. If you can't even critically analyze your own behavior to root out the deeply seeded exploitations you justify every day then you have no right to judge another. Because as soon as we stop being so fucking judgmental of everyone, we can actually see each other face to face the way we really are--Flawed, horny, with poor judgment, but sometimes with good intentions. All of use. Equally.

You don't have obvious proof anything is ethical. Shady things happen in every industry, and it's impossible to prove anything did not have something unethical happen at some point in the chain of it being made or grown. Sure, I can go into the forest, cut my own trees with tools I manufactured myself, with metals I mined and smelted myself, grow my own food with seeds I sourced myself, and furnish it only with things I gathered the materials for manufacturer entirely on my own, but it's not exactly feasible and it's the only way you can be sure everything you use is ethical.

If an actress stars in a porn, gets paid for it, markets it, and it's legally distributed, someone assuming that it's consensual is not the same as someone saying "Here's some non consensual porn" and you going "Great, nothing wrong with that!"

It's not cognitive dissonance, it's you trying to act morally superior while defending porn you know is non-consensual.

That's it, there's no grey area, there's no maybe, you know what you're watching is non-consensual. And you're defending people who, knowing that, are saying it's not wrong to watch.

Edit: You're also assuming a lot of things about people's porn habits, whereas I'm arguing with people who have openly stated they see nothing wrong with jerking off to porn they know is non-consensual.

You can assume what you want about mine or anybody else's porn habits, I'll stick to arguing against what people are actually saying.

As just a small addendum, here is my brief CE survey of the PH wipe.

Was PH's massive deletion of videos a mistake/bad decision?
Results (43 votes)
Yes 65.12%28
No 34.88%15

This deletion of content was specifically done to remove a massive database of potentially unethical videos from the platform. The two big things they wanted to remove with this was Non-Consensual uploads and CP. Despite that, around 2/3rds of GameFAQs CE board believe that it was still a mistake. I don't make this post to shame these people for their opinions, although I disagree with them. I post this to demonstrate the cultural acceptance of unethical porn in general and the permissiveness we have towards porn being uploaded without checks and balances. This is what normal sexual behavior looks like in 2023. This is the conversation to have, not a conversation where we brashly declare other people in the conversation don't care about consent because deepfakes are weird and people's relationship with porn is weird.

In fact, let's do this. I think all porn is unethical too, and the entire industry should be condemned and torn down.

What does that change about people in this topic unapologetically stating that they will continue to gladly jerk off to porn of people who they know have not consented to porngraphic material being made of them, because they don't think it's unethical?

Pogo_Marimo posted...

As just a small addendum, here is my brief CE survey of the PH wipe.

Was PH's massive deletion of videos a mistake/bad decision?
Results (43 votes)
Yes 65.12%28
No 34.88%15

This deletion of content was specifically done to remove a massive database of potentially unethical videos from the platform. The two big things they wanted to remove with this was Non-Consensual uploads and CP. Despite that, around 2/3rds of GameFAQs CE board believe that it was still a mistake. I don't make this post to shame these people for their opinions, although I disagree with them. I post this to demonstrate the cultural acceptance of unethical porn in general and the permissiveness we have towards porn being uploaded without checks and balances. This is what normal sexual behavior looks like in 2023. This is the conversation to have, not a conversation where we brashly declare other people in the conversation don't care about consent because deepfakes are weird and people's relationship with porn is weird.

You mean the topic where I said this?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80332220/971255420

I'm also failing to see what you think your poll proves on a board where a significant number of people also think that jerking off to non-consensual porn is woke?

Yes, great, 65% of board where people say "respect women" as a joke and think consent is optional think wiping pornhub was a bad idea. Consider me fucking shocked.

I mean wow, the fact that you think CE is an indicator of normal sexual behavior is just beyond baffling to me.

Man, people are really getting deep in the weeds on this >_>

Not sure why we're comparing regular porn with deep fake porn. Regular porn involves consenting adults that are being paid. Sure there are porn stars that are trafficked and coerced, but if you're looking for that kind of stuff specifically that is also fucking wrong lol

All deep fake porn is done without consent, and if you're actively looking for deep fake porn that is also wrong.

Like again, just for one second of post nut clarity, think about how these women feel.

NeonTentacles posted...

Man, people are really getting deep in the weeds on this >_>

It's almost like consent is important to some people

Smashingpmkns posted...

Not sure why we're comparing regular porn with deep fake porn. Regular porn involves consenting adults that are being paid. Sure there are porn stars that are trafficked and coerced, but if you're looking for that kind of stuff specifically that is also fucking wrong lol

All deep fake porn is done without consent, and if you're actively looking for deep fake porn that is also wrong.

Like again, just for one second of post nut clarity, think about how these women feel.

Have you ever thought about... How porn stars feel? Because I can assure you, the large majority of them upon leaving the industry report symptoms like PTSD, report a litany of physical abuses, report wide scale exploitation, ect. Just because the woman "consented" at the time of the creation of the video does not mean the video was produced ethically. Again, there is an alternative, and that is not watching porn. However, if you do watch porn, and you are not extremely strict about what content you watch, then you are as much contributing to a massive problem as this twitch streamer is watching a deepfake. His blunder just unfortunately had a much deeper interpersonal issue involved in it, which, you know, sucks to be him. That's pretty cringe.

ArchNemo posted...

In fact, let's do this. I think all porn is unethical too, and the entire industry should be condemned and torn down.

What does that change about people in this topic unapologetically stating that they will continue to gladly jerk off to porn of people who they know have not consented to porngraphic material being made of them, because they don't think it's unethical?

I, uh, don't think your opinion changes anything. To me, they are flawed people who are participating in a harmful system perpetrated primarily by the creators of unethical content. The only difference is their indiscretions have been brought to light, wherein I have no access to your porn history to parse it for indiscretions which, let's be honest here, you would never even acknowledge or notice in the first place.

Okay Boomer girl said it best: Just look and move on. Don't open your mouth

https://tinyurl.com/437exu4r

Pogo_Marimo posted...

I, uh, don't think your opinion changes anything. To me, they are flawed people who are participating in a harmful system perpetrated primarily by the creators of unethical content. The only difference is their indiscretions have been brought to light, wherein I have no access to your porn history to parse it for indiscretions which, let's be honest here, you would never even acknowledge or notice in the first place.

If you tell a "flawed person" that jerking off to non-consensual porn is unethical, and they respond with "No it's not! You're actually unethical for pointing that out because you also maybe do something that's possibly unethical! I'm gonna keep jerking off to non-consensual porn!" then they moved on from "flawed" to "unrepentant piece of shit"

The streamer owned up to his mistake. The people defending him didn't.

And you're absolutely right, if I was jerking off to my friends, co-workers, and random celebrities thrown onto pornographic material without their consent, I wouldn't acknowledge it. I certainly wouldn't throw it in their face and then brag about how I'm going to keep doing it, and I definitely would not claim to be morally superior if called out on it.

Which is the entire difference between picturing celebrities in your head and putting hyper realistic versions of them in a porn video and circulating for the world to see and be very, openly aware of.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Have you ever thought about... How porn stars feel? Because I can assure you, the large majority of them upon leaving the industry report symptoms like PTSD, report a litany of physical abuses, report wide scale exploitation, ect. Just because the woman "consented" at the time of the creation of the video does not mean the video was produced ethically. Again, there is an alternative, and that is not watching porn. However, if you do watch porn, and you are not extremely strict about what content you watch, then you are as much contributing to a massive problem as this twitch streamer is watching a deepfake. His blunder just unfortunately had a much deeper interpersonal issue involved in it, which, you know, sucks to be him. That's pretty cringe.

Sure and I don't actively watch porn of pornstars that are openly against the work they've done once they've left the industry if I'm made aware of it. Pretty easy!

https://youtu.be/AUIR-h7E00k

So I found this on NFL memes. Can people not laugh at this? It didn't have anyone's consent to make and nobody asked how all involved felt about it. Deep fake before this was jibjab or gifjif. Everyone was ok when it was those things. You can say it's not the same, but it kind of is

For the record I have never watched a deepfake nor play to watch one

k1zzl3_82 posted...

https://youtu.be/AUIR-h7E00k

You can say it's not the same

It really, really is not the same.

VeggetaX posted...

Okay Boomer girl said it best: Just look and move on. Don't open your mouth

https://tinyurl.com/437exu4r

Lol what a dumb video