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AlBundy33
02/06/23 9:49:29 AM
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DipDipDiver
02/06/23 9:51:11 AM
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The graphic is correct, it's just that the average driver is too stupid to actually do it that way
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CommonStar
02/06/23 9:51:53 AM
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This is actually the correct way to do it.
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CableZL
02/06/23 9:52:36 AM
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What's supposed to happen on the road and what actually happens are sometimes two different things.

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NeonTentacles
02/06/23 9:52:36 AM
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I soon as I see construction, I merge to the open lane ASAP. It's dog eat dog and people won't let you in unless you take that shit. As soon as you see an opening, you gotta take it! >_>

Zipper merge is correct, but there's too many assholes who don't abide by that and try to double (or more....) merge in a spot between cars. I just merge early if I can to try and avoid that lol

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bluezero
02/06/23 9:53:04 AM
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DipDipDiver posted...
The graphic is correct, it's just that the average driver is too stupid to actually do it that way
100% this

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TheSavageDragon
02/06/23 9:54:56 AM
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NeonTentacles posted...
I soon as I see construction, I merge to the open lane ASAP. It's dog eat dog and people won't let you in unless you take that shit. As soon as you see an opening, you gotta take it! >_>

Zipper merge is correct, but there's too many assholes who don't abide by that and try to double merge in a spot between cars

This.
More often than not I end up waiting on the end of the right lane hoping someone has the decency to let me merge.
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InTheEyesOfFire
02/06/23 9:55:12 AM
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DipDipDiver posted...
The graphic is correct, it's just that the average driver is too stupid to actually do it that way


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AloneIBreak
02/06/23 9:55:37 AM
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This would work but too many people take it personally if you wait too long to merge and try not to let you in.

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AlBundy33
02/06/23 9:55:45 AM
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By the time you see the cones where the lane is closed, you should have already been in the other lane, zipper merging only works at a certain traffic density, if people started merging when they see Right lane closed, 2 miles ahead, there wouldnt be an issue

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Dakimakura
02/06/23 9:56:11 AM
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Makes sense but sounds impossible to accomplish given zero communication channels among drivers.

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bluezero
02/06/23 9:57:08 AM
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AlBundy33 posted...
By the time you see the cones where the lane is closed, you should have already been in the other lane, zipper merging only works at a certain traffic density, if people started merging when they see Right lane closed, 2 miles ahead, there wouldnt be an issue
Yes there would, as the graphic explains. You'd have 2 miles of unused road, leading to a bigger backup.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
02/06/23 10:02:09 AM
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One time, I was in a long traffic jam on the highway that was caused by a left lane being closed up ahead. I was in the lane next to the left lane and people kept speeding up the left lane.
I guess the trucker in front of me took issue with watching all the people speeding by and started blocking the left lane with his vehicle.

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bigblu89
02/06/23 10:03:51 AM
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The only time I ever curse while driving, it's because I'm yelling "LIKE A FUCKING ZIPPER!!!"

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NeonTentacles
02/06/23 10:07:10 AM
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bluezero posted...
Yes there would, as the graphic explains. You'd have 2 miles of unused road, leading to a bigger backup.
You either merge now or later, i don't think it really matters. There's basically-infinite road behind you at both points >_>

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A_Good_Boy
02/06/23 10:09:26 AM
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NeonTentacles posted...
You either merge now or later, i don't think it really matters. There's basically-infinite road behind you at both points >_>
You merge later, which leads to less congestion and headache because now people aren't trying to force themselves into open lane of traffic at random points and creating confusion and frustration for everyone else.

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bigblu89
02/06/23 10:10:09 AM
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eaglei3
02/06/23 10:11:04 AM
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The only reason the zipper is the way it is supposed to work is cause when early merging happens, a fleet of cars will zoom down the open road space to merge by the construction zone. The people who merged early will now be pissed at those people and will try to not let them in cause they feel like the people utilizing the full road cheated.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
02/06/23 10:11:04 AM
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NeonTentacles posted...
You either merge now or later, i don't think it really matters. There's basically-infinite road behind you at both points >_>
That's the way I see it. What really causes the backup is everyone having to slow down/stop to let people over. If you have an opening take it.

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NeonTentacles
02/06/23 10:13:34 AM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
That's the way I see it. What really causes the backup is everyone having to slow down/stop to let people over. If you have an opening take it.
Yeah that's how I see it. You take the opening when you can and you're still moving with traffic. Once you get to the end, you may have to stop and wait. And then people get impatient and start cutting each other off and slow down everything

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radical_rhino
02/06/23 10:15:27 AM
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Thats why I never feel bad about blowing past everyone in the unoccupied lane and merging at the last second.

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bigblu89
02/06/23 10:15:30 AM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
That's the way I see it. What really causes the backup is everyone having to slow down/stop to let people over. If you have an opening take it.

NeonTentacles posted...
Yeah that's how I see it. You take the opening when you can and you're still moving with traffic. Once you get to the end, you may have to stop and wait. And then people get impatient and start cutting each other off and slow down everything


This issue is... literally this thinking.

If everyone does it the right way, it works to perfection.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
02/06/23 10:15:46 AM
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NeonTentacles posted...
Yeah that's how I see it. You take the opening when you can and you're still moving with traffic. Once you get to the end, you may have to stop and wait. And then people get impatient and start cutting each other off and slow down everything
People who live and die by the zipper are idealists. People who merge early are realists.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
02/06/23 10:16:46 AM
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bigblu89 posted...
If everyone does it the right way, it works to perfection
But I've experienced life for 35 years and know that everyone will never do things the right way

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__starsnostars
02/06/23 10:16:58 AM
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I suspect the problem isn't zipper merging. It's Americans.

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Solid_Seb
02/06/23 10:17:16 AM
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It is ideal but people are idiots and will get butthurt about letting someone in front of them. I assume it's the same trolls that get off on not letting faster drivers go around them. The level of blatant asshole-ery on the road is insane, but being a douche isn't illegal so nothing can be done about it.
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bluezero
02/06/23 10:18:00 AM
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__starsnostars posted...
I suspect the problem isn't zipper merging. It's Americans.
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NeonTentacles
02/06/23 10:18:41 AM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
People who live and die by the zipper are idealists. People who merge early are realists.
Lol yeah. Zipper works in theory but individual human nature is way too chaotic and asshole-ish to tame themselves for this. Anyone who's driven more than a day knows this would never fly in the real driving world

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Mew
02/06/23 10:19:43 AM
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People would rather crash their car than let you merge like that lol

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Delta_Force
02/06/23 10:20:30 AM
#32:


Dakimakura posted...
Makes sense but sounds impossible to accomplish given zero communication channels among drivers.

What do you mean zero communication channels? Can't you see me violently waiving my middle finger? That's a communication channel right there!

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Heavy_D_Forever
02/06/23 10:22:25 AM
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Literally all traffic jams on a highway are caused by people following too closely behind the car in front of them. Assuming there are no lane closures or anything like that.

If everyone would just back the fuck off a bit then you would never have to come to a complete stop on the highway. The majority of drivers are fucking morons.

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NeonTentacles
02/06/23 10:22:57 AM
#34:


bigblu89 posted...
This issue is... literally this thinking.

If everyone does it the right way, it works to perfection.
But no one will. It's like saying "if everyone did everything right, we wouldnt need laws" It's impossible

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SHRlKE
02/06/23 10:23:58 AM
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Heavy_D_Forever posted...
Literally all traffic jams on a highway are caused by people following too closely behind the car in front of them. Assuming there are no lane closures or anything like that.

If everyone would just back the fuck off a bit then you would never have to come to a complete stop on the highway. The majority of drivers are

exactly I tend to slow right down when there is congestion So Im always moving even if its really slowly. Amazed how many people get posted off cause you leave more than a cars gap in front of you and start flashing and gesticulating wildly.
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KainWind
02/06/23 10:24:05 AM
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Imagine every car not being bumper to bumper

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K181
02/06/23 10:35:24 AM
#37:


DipDipDiver posted...
The graphic is correct, it's just that the average driver is too stupid to actually do it that way

This. Zipper merge is actually the correct way to maximize traffic flow if everybody followed it, and Ive seen construction signs advocating that drivers do just that. But clearly not everybody follows it, and youll see instances of people trying to zoom by and cut in at the absolute last second.

Also, for reference, I have TC tagged with road rage, so past me was very concerned with his prior posts on driving,

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Solar_Crimson
02/06/23 11:15:03 AM
#38:


DipDipDiver posted...
The graphic is correct, it's just that the average driver is too stupid to actually do it that way


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bigblu89
02/06/23 11:15:59 AM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
But I've experienced life for 35 years and know that everyone will never do things the right way
So you counter to that is not to do it the right way also?

Some people burn their food every time they cook, doesnt mean Im going to ruin my meal just because everyone will never do thing the right way

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bigblu89
02/06/23 11:18:06 AM
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NeonTentacles posted...
But no one will. It's like saying "if everyone did everything right, we wouldnt need laws" It's impossible
I mean, there was a time where theyre werent stop signs, but (some) people were still smart enough to slow down when approaching an intersection.

It was the dummies that caused us to implement traffic laws.

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Scintillant
02/06/23 11:21:16 AM
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No one leaves space between cars where I live to zipper merge. It's bumper to bumper every hour of the day.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
02/06/23 11:22:48 AM
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bigblu89 posted...
So you counter to that is not to do it the right way also?
I signal and get over when I have an opening that won't disrupt the person I'm merging in front of knowing that in all likelihood if I waited until the correct time to zipper I may not be let in.

After I merge, I still allow people to zipper in because I know how it ideally should work

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
02/06/23 11:24:33 AM
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bigblu89 posted...
Some people burn their food every time they cook, doesnt mean Im going to ruin my meal just because everyone will never do thing the right way
This is a shit analogy because when cooking I don't have to worry about what other people are doing. I hope you aren't just thinking about what you're doing and paying no attention to others while driving

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pkmnlord
02/06/23 11:25:56 AM
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People be like "there's a bigger clog if everyone merges early!"

Well then the motherfucker at the front of the line better move their fucking ass until they're past the construction zone and the line can disperse again!

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realnifty1
02/06/23 11:27:55 AM
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There is a better graphic out there I have seen before that accounts for free flowing traffic ( merge when it is clear ) and high density ( zipper at the merge point ).

But if you are stopping just to merge in, then you are doing it wrong and causing everything to be slower.
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NoxObscuras
02/06/23 11:30:10 AM
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Zipper is what's actually supposed to happen though. If you merge every other car, it keeps both lanes moving, as opposed to one lane screeching to a stop, because of 1 car stopping and waiting for an opening, or a car getting cut off and slamming on their brakes.

But people don't follow it because they want to save as much time as possible and aggressively not let any cars in front of them.

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AsucaHayashi
02/06/23 11:31:05 AM
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for every efficient way to do any given thing, there's about 100 ways for one person to completely fuck it up for everyone else.

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Frosted_Midna
02/06/23 11:34:03 AM
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Too many dumb drivers don't know this.

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hockeybub89
02/06/23 11:34:35 AM
#49:


There are literally "ALTERNATE MERGE" signs on my work commute and motherfuckers still race to the end and deliberately block others from getting in front of them, even if traffic is slow.

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Suolevram
02/06/23 11:38:40 AM
#50:


AlBundy33 posted...
By the time you see the cones where the lane is closed, you should have already been in the other lane, zipper merging only works at a certain traffic density, if people started merging when they see Right lane closed, 2 miles ahead, there wouldnt be an issue
Locally, hell, all over the US they occasionally remember to put out the warning signs. So often there is no sign, just an abrupt change to the flow of traffic and then you see the sign 10 feet in front of the cones.

I'm usually very aware well ahead of time, but it never fails you get 2-5 people who try to haul ass and forcefully merge.

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