Board 8 > Paper Mario Mafia Topic 2 - The sequel should be called 'Paper Bowser'!

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htaeD posted...

I get a strange feeling from Sultan where it seems like he's forgotten all about his vote on Kirby at times.
I cant deny that Isquens bussing comment is strange as well.
I am glad to hear that Isquen is okay, but I also hope he comes back today (as rude as that request sounds to me)

No I know I voted Kirby and I know why I voted Kirby

Oh I definitely defended Sultans early goings. His opening post pinged me but then through his interactions early in topic 1 I was able to see the classic town Sultan we all know and love. I Townsvilled him.

I will admit I did not follow mich more of his interactions through the end of topic 1 and this topic. Is there more evidence that should away me back to scum lean? Cause I just can't see that this game.

htaeD posted...

Hmm, but do you think I (and those 4 other guys) have defended Sultan?
Or are you just taking HB's word for it?

At least two of the group did for sure. No "or" about it.

Anyways going to work now, back in 9 hours.

Okay let me exsplain why I was reevaluating Lea Vs Kirby it had nothing to do with my thought on Kirby but more so my thoughts on Lea. She looked to have been struggling to make her argument without Han around.

She tried to provided more if an argument for herself but it seemed very unsure of herself but kind of aggressive.

I feel like Lea maybe still getting back on her feet since she was in the hospital and just hasn't really made her post as well as usual? Maybe im exspecting to much of her? Maybe she's like I really got to sell this vote on Kirby and it was counter productive a but.

I guess we cant all sneak in posts during work

htaeD posted...

I guess we cant all sneak in posts during work

Depending on the job I guess I had a slowing day yesterday but I also work in fostercare so if I don't have a visit or paperwork to catch up on it gets like that.

Anyone else have thoughts on leas post from yesterday that just isn't sitting as well as usual?

Well with that phrasing it doesnt look as strange, Sultan

I also get wanting to go easy on her for the reasons you stated, though I believe she would tell us herself if she had difficulties getting into the groove so to speak.

Last night in the exchange with Kirby specifically

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I also work in fostercare

For some reason I suddenly felt shame shitposting in mafia games on the clock from my cushy work at home job.

Goon on you Sultan

Good*

Sounds silly maybe but odk if I can trust Sbell defending me so much after he fooled the hell outta me last game.

Chaeix posted...

it's funny to me that my guess is shorter than my explanation of why i'd guess later but i needed to DIGEST

the difference is that the former was lea intervening in a less scumhunting/defending-based context. different kind of heat. my view is that the intention is still the same, to refocus everyone from something just taking up space

admittedly the guess is undermined by you saying you don't recall the details but

No, I literally gave you the answer in my last post.

The answer is me.

You can't accurately compare a situation where I was in a tiff with Corrik and 'rescued' by Lea, vs one where I'm watching from the outside.

Additionally, despite not recalling the Corrik situation as well, I can guarantee that I didn't make the read solely on Lea defusing the situation.

As for Kirby, I don't feel really any worse for him since the original post, so that's in his favour. But I did need to point out that it's important that what he did was not to take a stance per se. It was not necessarily Town because all he had to do was be a voice of reason to defuse an argument.

Additionally...

##Unvote: Kirby
##Vote: Peaf

Peaf has been different this game. What really catches me is that he felt the need to hop on and say that post from me was "shit" when... It really wasn't.

"A guy I think is Scum is not necessarily Town because he explained to Hb why Hb's argument wasn't working"
"Wow shit post"

It was opportunistic.

Additionally, top of the game shitposts by Peaf weren't natural sounding and he hasn't really done as much establishment of himself as a Town Leader as I would expect from him. I think the Dumey x Peaf combativeness was a smokescreen, providing a prominent line of action. At least, this is where my head is at the moment.

Lea also, yes recovering, but there's little mirth in her voice. We did seem to align on things early in which is always good, but she can't even deny she's not bringing the same positive energy as normal.

I don't want to give Ulti's player slot a free day as well. Sickness sucks but SBell was just scum and sick in a game.

EDumey posted...

Is there something specific about it, or just you don't think scum Isquen would bother with breadcrumbing like that?

I think Scum would be less beating our heads over with it. As in, the softclaim doesn't feel very well thought-out.

I'm going to try to skim topic 1 a bit and reframe my thoughts during work today.

Ulti was in the last game right?

After seeing scum sbell lynched with sickness I don't see why he would try to emulate that

I dont see why anyone would assume he is emulating it

htaeD posted...

I dont see why anyone would assume he is emulating it

No, but I think it's a null tell because of it

Plum, your entire body of work this game has been "that's a null tell".

And no, I'm not saying that Ulti being sick is a tell, I'm saying that him being sick means he's not going to post and I'd rather not rely on Death scanning him to determine anything about him.

I care in this instance because I think more than one person has said "wow every seems Towny" which means poe points more toward the people with excuses to not do anything, like Ulti and Cody.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Sounds silly maybe but odk if I can trust Sbell defending me so much after he fooled the hell outta me last game.

that's fair, literally the only thing I did last game was defend you and I was a total scummer.

Honestly Sultan, I don't need to be on your town list right now, and I am in no way trying to pocket you. I'm just reading you and I feel like all I'm seeing is classic Sultan.

Also, this post of yours makes me feel even better about my decision.

Ulti, I am sure, is not attempting to emulate my stomach bug with his covid diagnosis.

But as we are now approaching the end of day 1, we should probably more seriously think about moving on from him.

Hey SBell, 1.107

Can you read that post and tell me if you think it tracks?

Bold of Han to assume I am a scanner

htaeD posted...

Bold of Han to assume I am a scanner

Bold of Death to assume I am assuming ;)

Votals as of 274

Sultan [3] - Plum, Hb, Isquen
Isquen [2] Sultan, EDumey
Kirby [1] - (Han), Lea, (Sultan), (Peaf)
Lea [1] Kirby
Red [1] JC
Peaf [1] - Han
Hb [0] - (Sultan)
Dumey [0] - (Peaf)
Ben [0] - (Peaf)
Sbell [0] - (Plum)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00 P.M. Eastern. (or approximately 12 hours from now).

Oh my I'm leading in votes.
I forgot Plum was on me.. he basically said he doesn't see that I am town sultan and I look weird???

HanOfTheNekos posted...

EDumey posted...
Is there something specific about it, or just you don't think scum Isquen would bother with breadcrumbing like that?

I think Scum would be less beating our heads over with it. As in, the softclaim doesn't feel very well thought-out.

Well like I had HB point out there are how many people in Mario's party that do not have arm left it very open ended to probably fit 2 people maybe more from the safe list it was very losely done

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Oh my I'm leading in votes.
I forgot Plum was on me.. he basically said he doesn't see that I am town sultan and I look weird???

Yes.

Your posts early were not Sultany

Ben also in the realm of "where is this guy"

masterplum posted...

Yes.

Your posts early were not Sultany

You don't seem to actually care to get Sultan lynched though, Plum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hey SBell, 1.107

Can you read that post and tell me if you think it tracks?

masterplum 2/9/2023 9:40:05 AM
#107
undefined posted...

Are we seriously considering scum sultan here?

This is classic town sultan, theres no content, its morning, he re-reads and then questions isquens breadcrumbs instead of just absorbing it like the rest of us.

Now this is the loud wrong town sbell post I was looking for

thank you for bringing me back to this post Han, i remember when it happened but got sidetracked with you and let it go. I remember not liking it then and still not liking it now. Felt like an excuse to get off of me so he could chase Sultan. Plum has absolutely used "Loud Wrong Town Sbell" in games past but I can't remember for the life of me if they came from ScumPlum or TownPlum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ben also in the realm of "where is this guy"

You don't seem to actually care to get Sultan lynched though, Plum.

I think it's the best option currently but it isn't A LOCK OF THE CENTURY OF THE WEEK

Obellisk posted...

masterplum 2/9/2023 9:40:05 AM
#107

Now this is the loud wrong town sbell post I was looking for

thank you for bringing me back to this post Han, i remember when it happened but got sidetracked with you and let it go. I remember not liking it then and still not liking it now. Felt like an excuse to get off of me so he could chase Sultan. Plum has absolutely used "Loud Wrong Town Sbell" in games past but I can't remember for the life of me if they came from ScumPlum or TownPlum.

I said it literally the last game we were town together

masterplum posted...

I think it's the best option currently but it isn't A LOCK OF THE CENTURY OF THE WEEK

But why aren't you trying to persuade people who don't think Sultan is Scum that you're right?

masterplum posted...

I said it literally the last game we were town together

I smoke entirely way too much to ever remember something as minute as that.

Obellisk posted...

masterplum 2/9/2023 9:40:05 AM
#107

Now this is the loud wrong town sbell post I was looking for

thank you for bringing me back to this post Han, i remember when it happened but got sidetracked with you and let it go. I remember not liking it then and still not liking it now. Felt like an excuse to get off of me so he could chase Sultan. Plum has absolutely used "Loud Wrong Town Sbell" in games past but I can't remember for the life of me if they came from ScumPlum or TownPlum.

What feels weird about it is that all you did was say "This is classic Town Sultan", then Plum out of nowhere is VERY sure that you're just VERY wrong, and that Sultan is VERY Scum.

It's such a weird display of confidence, especially as Plum is here not trying too hard to convince people that Sultan is Scum.

I don't like those votals. My gut is telling me that Sultan and Isquen is too "easy" of a solution.

Heck, I'm feeling a little less confident on my Lea vote. I think the best option of the current votals is... maybe Peaf? But I need to look back on his posts to make a decent conclusion.

Specialing Red, Ben, or Ulti is completely fine with me, though, but I can't shake the feeling that all three are town with good roles. Maybe that's my paranoia talking, though.

I think the person who looks the worst on the Sultan vote is Plum, by far. He's still hung up on Sultan's early posts. Really? Surely you have more than that, Plum. There's been several posts from Sultan since then.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

What feels weird about it is that all you did was say "This is classic Town Sultan", then Plum out of nowhere is VERY sure that you're just VERY wrong, and that Sultan is VERY Scum.

Agree. I didn't feel Loud at all in the post, just questioning the scumsultan dynam....sonofabitch.... (couldn't help myself)

Which is why it felt extremely excuse-y as well. It felt like that trigger was pulled too early.

masterplum posted...

What I dont like is Deaths tacit attack of sultans Kirby vote. It felt like he thought sultan was scummy but didnt want to commit to it yet.

Welcome to what i attacked death for when he was still town last game.

For someone who doesnt do cryptic posts leaving it at Huh, Sultan seems to have forgotten his vote. Weird felt odd.

What do you mean by "for someone who doesn't do cryptic posts"?

Kirby321 posted...

I don't like those votals. My gut is telling me that Sultan and Isquen is too "easy" of a solution.

Heck, I'm feeling a little less confident on my Lea vote. I think the best option of the current votals is... maybe Peaf? But I need to look back on his posts to make a decent conclusion.

Specialing Red, Ben, or Ulti is completely fine with me, though, but I can't shake the feeling that all three are town with good roles. Maybe that's my paranoia talking, though.

I think the person who looks the worst on the Sultan vote is Plum, by far. He's still hung up on Sultan's early posts. Really? Surely you have more than that, Plum. There's been several posts from Sultan since then.

Sultans later posts have been fine. If Sultan is scum he could have taken time to get into character

HanOfTheNekos posted...

What feels weird about it is that all you did was say "This is classic Town Sultan", then Plum out of nowhere is VERY sure that you're just VERY wrong, and that Sultan is VERY Scum.

It's such a weird display of confidence, especially as Plum is here not trying too hard to convince people that Sultan is Scum.

Sbell was loud wrong that it was classic Town Sultan. It isn't. Now the question is if that means he is scum.

At risk of doing the same thing as last game... I'm currently thinking plum, honestly. I'll have to go back and review to have any confidence to it, though.

Message directly for ben - your 100% town status has been officially revoked.

Re: morning activity - is often when I'm most bored at work, or I'm using Mafia to help me wake up. Can't speak for anyone else, but that's my excuse.

Kirby321 posted...

I don't like those votals. My gut is telling me that Sultan and Isquen is too "easy" of a solution.

I went back though and the post of Isquen's that pinged me really didn't look too good. Like, you've posted nothing else since that has really pinged me as much, but that Isquen post, yeuch.

masterplum posted...

Sbell was loud wrong that it was classic Town Sultan. It isn't.

Prove it.

I can say though that i've played in enough mafia games with Sultan to get a really good read on him. Ulti would call it a soul read. I'll admit I was 100% fooled by his first scum game but there are little nuances about him that you just know speak to town.

The deliberate admittance of reading the opening post and the rules etc, can come across as faked, it felt like a reason to post to me so i was automatically on guard with Sultan. But when you couple that with the ctes interaction its revealed that oh, its just Sultan.

His questioning of the breadcrumbs by Isquen just to be questioned about his questioning in a negative light and his confidence starting to falter, saying its probably nothing, but we all know he thinks its something he just doesn't want that negative attention because he's trying to figure things out. His posts just flow like town.

If he is scum this game I will bend the knee and pledge my undying allegiance to the Sultan.

Plum, you are Loud, you are Wrong... You are town?

Han, let's use your favorite logic.

If I were scum, would I go out of my way to deliberately antagonize you? I've been suspicious of you in every game I've been in (100% town), and was right only once - which coincidentally was the one where I didn't really push you or see anything scummy in you.

Furthermore, your narrative of "Peaf is different, he isn't trying to be town leader" is super fucking lazy. Last game was the only one where I led anything of note - and you killed me on N2, so my record in that game was 0/2 for what I was pushing. In every game prior, I had very little impact on who got lynched any given day.

I'd argue that trying to be town leader is my "unusual" state, not my normal one. So kindly stop lying. Thank you.

I'm not lying. If you're right, then I am also right, but on a limited timescale.

I also don't know if I'd say you're deliberately antagonizing me. Like I said, the post felt more opportunistic, than it did combative.

It's not even necessarily "leading" that you're not doing - just feels like I've not seen any real analysis out of you so far. For how much respect I have of you as a player, you've missed the mark on making an impact on me this game, whereas you have in every other game, so far as I remember.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

If you're right, then I am also right, but on a limited timescale.

... what

Are we speaking only in votes now, did i miss the memo

Oh i thought we were just voting for 3 letter named players with no context so we can look as scummy as possible.

Ok, i'm lying, my context is obvious.