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TurtleInFreedom
02/16/23 3:04:31 AM
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I'm probably the only one who's seen it since it was released early in South Korea.. it wasn't that bad. Jonathan Majors does a crazy good Kang tbh.
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Gremlynn
02/16/23 3:13:42 AM
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To an extent. There's supporting cast that was introduced in the second movie returning here, who's involvement or current situation may not make complete sense without 2 and/or Endgame. The quantum realm itself may be a bit of a "wait wtf what's that?" without 2 and/or endgame. Scott's core motivation based on the trailer appears to be linked mostly to Endgame (and anything from AM2 that you'd need to know for his endgame involvement i believe is already summed up there)

That all out of the way, while not having seen it yet (probably this weekend), my instinct tells me that the core narrative will not be particularly tied to existing character arcs. I personally only bothered with rewatching Loki going into this, since I believe the underlying plot threads of the multiverse and quantum realm are primarly linked there. But i've been wrong on my speculation for the MCU before.

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Supersex420
02/16/23 3:14:53 AM
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Really? Is the the wasp his gf?

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Mew
02/16/23 3:49:30 AM
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Story shouldve ended with Thanos

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Supersex420
02/16/23 3:50:31 AM
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Mew posted...
Story shouldve ended with Thanos
You can stop watching any time

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VampireCoyote
02/16/23 3:51:21 AM
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Bummer

maybe that first decade was just lightning in a bottle

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Malcrasternus
02/16/23 3:51:30 AM
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Haven't been following Marvel since Endgame, is this phase leading up to some other big baddie?

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Glob
02/16/23 4:05:31 AM
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Northlane posted...
Hot take: Everything Marvel Studios has put out post-Endgame has been a wet fart

No Way Home doesn't count due to Sony's involvement

I would agree with you apart from No Way Home not counting. That was awful too.
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Gremlynn
02/16/23 4:12:01 AM
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Supersex420 posted...
Really? Is the the wasp his gf?

Extremely unclear. Fuck it spoilers ahead. I'll make a point to focus on this question as I go, but i'm gonna be thorough and basically sum up just enough of each as I go to bring everybody up to speed to current date. i'll still mark tho.

Ant-Man
Takes place in 2015. Scott is baited into stealing the ant-man suit as a test and then recruited for the heist. Hope van Dyne seems to fucking hate his guts mostly out of jealousy because she thinks she should have the suit. Scott is continuously warned against tampering with the device in his suit because doing so could result in eternally shrinking and getting lost in an endless quantum realm. It is later revealed that this is what happened to Hank's wife, Janet van Dyne, and most of his absence and isolation in those years is atributed to a fruitless attempt to learn more about the quantum realm in hopes of rescuing her. During the final battle Scott is forced to tamper with his device to shrink small enough and does end up adrift in the quantum realm but is able to escape by replacing the shrinking particles in his suit with growth particles. He later remembers little to nothing about the experience. Hope van Dyne and Scott Lang end the movie on a kiss with the implication that they are a couple now, the end credit scene has Hank showing Hope a new shrinking suit, hinting at her becoming The Wasp. At this point, yes safe to say The Wasp is Ant-Man's girlfriend.

Captain America: Civil War (there's some behind the scenes stuff not spelled out or implied in this movie but will be later, for chronology sake i'll put it here)
Takes place in 2016. Scott Lang has apparently been doing continued work with Hank and Hope, as explained in later movies, and while he is allowed to use Hank's ant-man suit it's with permission. He absconded with it without permission to support Steve Roger's cause in the battle of Berlin, wherein he was caught and arrested under the Sokovia accords. Hank and Hope do not actually appear in this film and it can be assumed that at this time, Hope and Scott are still romantically involved.

Ant-Man and The Wasp
Takes place in 2018, happening concurrently with, but largely independent from the events of Infinity War. Since Civil War, Scott has been permitted to serve out the rest of his sentence for violation of the Sokovia Accords under house arrest, which is nearly over. It is here revealed that he stole the suit to use in Berlin which lead to Hope and Hank being considered accessories to his charges and they are now fugitives laying low, and are deeply resentful of Scott for his reckless use of the suit and ruining their own reputations. Scott and Hope are definitely not a couple now and have not been for at least a year (assuming civil war is late 2016 and this film is early 2018). They still work together to establish a probe into the quantum realm to rescue Janet van Dyne, Hope's mother and the original Wasp / the original Ant-Man (Hank Pym's) wife. OG Wasp and Ant-Man are to my knowledge still a couple, but it's been awhile. By the end of the movie Scott appears to be back on good terms with the Pym/van Dyne family but nothing indicates his romantic relationship with Hope got a round two. The movie ends with the Hope, Hank, and Janet supporting Scott from the normal space during a tethered expedition into the quantum realm when Thanos's snap dusts the three of them, leaving Scott trapped within the quantum realm.

Avengers: Endgame
Takes place in 2023. Scott has been trapped in the quantum realm for five years and is suddenly released by mouse ex machina. His time in the quantum realm and experience seeing different points in time from there was the catalyst for Tony Stark and Bruce Banner to attempt to repurpose quantum realm research for time travel so they can correct the snap. Once the snap has been reversed Hope is seen in The Wasp costume providing support during the final battle, but I do not recall any scenes in which her and Scott interact directly.

Loki(WE TAKING A FUCKIN DETOUR HOMIES... I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK!)
Ambiguous timeline placement cause WIBBLY WOBBLY TIMEY WIMEY SHIT. The environment of the TVA that monitors and controls the Sacred Timeline bears a striking resemblance to what we've seen of The Quantum Realm. Fascist time cops ensure the timeline doesn't branch to prevent multiple versions of their own founder and leader, He Who Remains, from emerging across different timelines and creating a multiversal war. Once He Who Remains is killed and the timeline is freed, Loki finds himself in an alternate timeline in which He Who Remains is no longer a behind the scenes shadow leader, but a dictator with statues dedicated to him across the TVA)

Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania (BUT JUST THE TRAILERS,STILL GONNA MARK, tread carefully here if you want to go in blind because I WILL be speculating based on the trailers and past shit)
Presumably takes place in sequence with phase 4s progression, placing it either late 2025 or early 2026. Could be as early as 2023 immediately after Endgame however. Scott's daughter, a big motivation for both his heroic and criminal behavior throughout the franchise, is grown now. She has apparently followed in her father's more.... rogue-ish footsteps as the trailer shows her being booked in jail. The motivation for this is unclear but considering we never saw her mother during the brief meeting in endgame and we KNOW she grew up without her father between his time in jail when she was little, and his time in the quantum realm during her early-mid teens, it may literally just be a survival thing that became force of habit. She seems to also have her own suit now. Hank lookin pretty fuckin left out when it come to suits. She also appears to be pretty damn smart and has picked up on quantum shit and pym particle shit pretty fast and has developed a quantum probe to send out signals. The rest of the Ant-Fam, in particularly Janet, seems big mad about this cause there some big bad shit out there. Adventures ensue. Ant-Fam meets He Who Remains but this time he's Kang the Conquerer. He seems to be trying to strike a bargain with Ant-man, maybe he needs the pym particle? fuck if i know but it seems Scott has access to something Kang needs and can't just take because he's offering Scott a chance to get his lost years back in exchange for his help. Scott looks pretty fuckin tempted but it's MCU and he's a title card character so even if he does fuck everybody over you know he'll have a personal redemption five minutes later.


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dancing_cactuar
02/16/23 4:12:21 AM
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Just saw some of the promo footage they have online and holy fuck the CGI looks like shit and the color palette looks worse than the final fight in Endgame.
Doe posted...
Can we get movie posters that aren't an ensemble of every person that appears
It's bizarre because better posters exist for most of these Marvel movies, they just have a fetish for the floating heads or static images of the actors.
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Nirvanas_Nox
02/16/23 4:16:38 AM
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IronWolf87 posted...
Feels like everything they're doing is just filler until we can get F4 (and more importantly Doom) and the X-Men

X-Men is literally all I'm waiting for. I wanna see if they get done some justice

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Gremlynn
02/16/23 4:19:46 AM
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dancing_cactuar posted...
Just saw some of the promo footage they have online and holy fuck the CGI looks like shit and the color palette looks worse than the final fight in Endgame.

It's bizarre because better posters exist for most of these Marvel movies, they just have a fetish for the floating heads or static images of the actors.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/3/AAZroiAAEMET.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/4/AAZroiAAEMEU.jpg
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/6/AAZroiAAEMEW.jpg

These are all fuckin dope. The U.S. ones are what they are because, despite what "fine cinema" pearl clutchers tell you about the death of the movie star, beautiful people we know and recognize the names of sell movie tickets.

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KCJ5062
02/16/23 4:21:25 AM
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IronWolf87 posted...
Feels like everything they're doing is just filler until we can get F4 (and more importantly Doom) and the X-Men

We probably would have already had the F4 and Doom in the MCU if Fox hadn't made that crappy 2015 movie just to hold on to the rights to F4.

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Blue_Popo
02/16/23 3:45:39 PM
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KCJ5062 posted...
We probably would have already had the F4 and Doom in the MCU if Fox hadn't made that crappy 2015 movie just to hold on to the rights to F4.

Funny how one is called filler and one is called the main

Thor love and thunder made more than any fantastic 4 or xmen movie ever
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Blue_Popo
02/16/23 3:46:11 PM
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Mew posted...
Story shouldve ended with Thanos
Didnt realize marvel comics began and ended with thanos
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Sariana21
02/16/23 4:06:37 PM
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Im like the 1 person in the world who likes the first Thor movie best of the four.

I really enjoyed Ms Marvel.

I liked The Avengers because I like Joss Whedons style (and was really disappointed to learn he was an asshole).

Ill watch anything with Loki in it.

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DarkBuster22904
02/16/23 4:34:27 PM
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Blue_Popo posted...
Didnt realize marvel comics began and ended with thanos
They don't, but Disney's writing skills did.

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Glob
02/16/23 5:15:30 PM
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Sariana21 posted...
Im like the 1 person in the world who likes the first Thor movie best of the four.

I really enjoyed Ms Marvel.

I liked The Avengers because I like Joss Whedons style (and was really disappointed to learn he was an asshole).

Ill watch anything with Loki in it.

I feel like the first Avengers film is one of the better ones in the series. Not the best, but probably around top 5.
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Blue_Popo
02/16/23 5:32:39 PM
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
They don't, but Disney's writing skills did.

Thanos was in 4 movies, 2 were cameos and then it was 2 different thanos in 2 movies

In the first 20ish you had mid movies like iron man 2/3, thor 1/2, antman 2 , cap marvel

Some of you saw infinty war and thought everything before it wqs as good. Revisionist history
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Doom_Art
02/16/23 5:42:56 PM
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Phase 1 and 2 had some real stinkers but this feels particularly bad because Phase 3 was quality and Phase 4 just wasn't able to keep that up.

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Bio1590
02/16/23 5:44:27 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Phase 1 and 2 had some real stinkers but this feels particularly bad because Phase 3 was quality and Phase 4 just wasn't able to keep that up.

And it's also the first movie of a new Phase

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DarkBuster22904
02/16/23 6:09:36 PM
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Blue_Popo posted...
Thanos was in 4 movies, 2 were cameos and then it was 2 different thanos in 2 movies

In the first 20ish you had mid movies like iron man 2/3, thor 1/2, antman 2 , cap marvel

Some of you saw infinty war and thought everything before it wqs as good. Revisionist history
I've been watching since Iron Man 1, friend. I haven't forgotten any of the mid movies.

What we didn't have back in Phase 1 was an entire phase that was mid, at best. An entire phase which, shows included, is absolutely bloated with content. And "content" is probably the best descriptor it can get.

There's only so long the "It's just setup, like phase 1" excuse can hold. Because like it or not, this ISNT phase 1, anymore. Its been 3 years since endgame, and we're done Exposition Movies; its time ti get things moving.The biggest problem phase 4 has is that nobody gives a shit, anymore, because as a collective unit they've given us nothing to give a shit about. Phase 1 at least had the "wow" factor of avengers 1 to lean into. Here we get a mid Ant Man movie.

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Blue_Popo
02/16/23 6:24:18 PM
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
I've been watching since Iron Man 1, friend. I haven't forgotten any of the mid movies.

What we didn't have back in Phase 1 was an entire phase that was mid, at best. An entire phase which, shows included, is absolutely bloated with content. And "content" is probably the best descriptor it can get.

There's only so long the "It's just setup, like phase 1" excuse can hold. Because like it or not, this ISNT phase 1, anymore. Its been 3 years since endgame, and we're done Exposition Movies; its time ti get things moving.The biggest problem phase 4 has is that nobody gives a shit, anymore, because as a collective unit they've given us nothing to give a shit about. Phase 1 at least had the "wow" factor of avengers 1 to lean into. Here we get a mid Ant Man movie.

Spiderman no way home is on the avengers level. Its better (up to debate) and made more money

Then you can say iron man vs shang chi or wandavision which are well received. After that its questionable titles in both phases
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Glob
02/16/23 6:32:37 PM
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Blue_Popo posted...
Spiderman no way home is on the avengers level. Its better (up to debate) and made more money

Then you can say iron man vs shang chi or wandavision which are well received. After that its questionable titles in both phases

No Way Home is awful, as is WandaVision and the final act of Shang Chi.

The only thing since endgame that I thought was good was the second Black Panther.
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dj1200
02/16/23 6:44:35 PM
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I'm so sad it got low reviews. I'm still going to see it, but I was expecting a blockbuster. Ah well, there'll be more. I can't wait for the next Marvel movie on Black Panther/IW/Endgame level.

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Glob
02/16/23 6:56:10 PM
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dj1200 posted...
I'm so sad it got low reviews. I'm still going to see it, but I was expecting a blockbuster. Ah well, there'll be more. I can't wait for the next Marvel movie on Black Panther/IW/Endgame level.

Aside from finding it strange that those are your top three, I think the issue that most people have is that theyre not convinced its ever going to happen.
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