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WingsOfGood
02/15/23 11:31:21 AM
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Well guess he is the expert.
*drives into office

https://www.businessinsider.com/marc-andreessen-remote-work-not-good-life-for-young-workers-2023-2

Billionaire investor Marc Andreessen warns remote work is 'not a good life' for young workers

Marc Andreessen said remote work has "detonated" the role of office relationships in people's lives.
The billionaire said during a summit that young remote workers are "cut off from everything."
Andreessen used the discussion to promote Adam Neumann's new housing startup, Flow.

Billionaire investor Marc Andreessen says remote work is "not a good life" for young workers.
"This sort of model an entire generation grew up with has all of the sudden been detonated," Andreessen said of the era when workers went into the office every day and companies built elaborate campus communities like at Google, Apple, or Facebook.

The billionaire made the comments during the "American Dynamism Summit" in Washington, D.C. that was hosted by his investment firm, Andreessen Horowitz, in November. The comments were shared via an Andreessen Horowitz podcast last week and first reported by Fortune.

Andreessen called offices a "continuation of a college campus experience" and said that the pandemic has robbed young workers of work relationships and opportunities from frequent outings and water-cooler chats with coworkers to inner-office dating.

"All of the sudden it's like 'Nope, you don't get that.' What you get is to sit in your studio apartment in front of your laptop," he said, adding that younger workers are now "cut off from everything" and their lives revolve around Tinder and Doordash.

The billionaire said that while some companies are trying to bring people back into the office for a few days a week, he believes "Elvis has left the building" when it comes to developing connections at work. A shift he says has made a worker's living environment their primary source of social interaction.

"Are you literally by yourself?" Andreessen said of workers' remote offices. "Do you have any sense of connection whatsoever? Do you know who your neighbors are? Historically, living in apartments, I don't think they generally would even know who their neighbors are," he added, saying the cultural shift "opens the door for reinvention."

The discussion, which was called "Disrupting the World's Largest Asset Class," featured WeWork cofounder Adam Neumann, who discussed his new startup Flow, a rental housing company that aims to create living communities. Insider previously reported that the WeWork cofounder had said the startup would make renters feel so much ownership that they'll plunge their own toilets. Andreessen's venture capital firm has invested $350 million in the startup, according to the podcast, a move that some have criticized as a "do-over" and evidence of the privilege many white male cofounders enjoy.

It's not the first time Andreessen has addressed the rise of remote work. Last year, he said remote work could cause an "earthquake" in how we live. In 2021, he said in a blog post that remote work was "a consequence of the internet that's maybe even more important than the internet."
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SSJKirby
02/15/23 11:32:47 AM
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He is absolutely right, it is impossible to socialize outside of an office. There is no place to do it

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NatsuSama
02/15/23 11:33:27 AM
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Well if a privileged billionaire says it, then it must be true.

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cuttin_in_farm
02/15/23 11:34:22 AM
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SSJKirby posted...
He is absolutely right, it is impossible to socialize outside of an office. There is no place to do it

This.

His words have a lot of truth. Work is where you can network. Its hard to do that if youre just another name in a virtual chat box.

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Jiek_Fafn
02/15/23 11:35:26 AM
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TheGoldenEel
02/15/23 11:35:32 AM
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Marc Andreessen said remote work has "detonated" the role of office relationships in people's lives.

lmfao

yeah the world needs more awkward urinal conversations with your boss

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WingsOfGood
02/15/23 11:35:55 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
This.

His words have a lot of truth. Work is where you can network. Its hard to do that if youre just another name in a virtual chat box.

think the guy you replied to was being sarcastic lol
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s0nicfan
02/15/23 11:36:13 AM
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SSJKirby posted...
He is absolutely right, it is impossible to socialize outside of an office. There is no place to do it

He's not wrong about the missed opportunities part, though. There's going to be a reckoning in a few years once there's enough data to show that the people who continue to go in and socialize with their co-workers are getting promoted at a rate higher than the people who stay at home because their managers don't really know them. That's always been a challenge for remote workers, even before covid.

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cuttin_in_farm
02/15/23 11:50:34 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
think the guy you replied to was being sarcastic lol

Sarcasm or not, I agree.

I cant connect with people virtually. Im not saying its impossible, but being in person is so much more effective at building up relationships imo.

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NatsuSama
02/15/23 11:52:40 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
He's not wrong about the missed opportunities part, though.
He's definitely wrong.

You can get ahead in your career without being the office. It's called networking.

If opportunities are being missed for you "remote", your personality type is already showing you aren't going to see some massive change going in.

Network with the right people. Take great ownership of your accomplishments. Don't assume the higher ups are noticing you, brag about your accomplishments. There's even an art to the bragging as you can't go overboard with it. Volunteer for the high profile jobs, not the low profile jobs the higher ups likely don't and won't give credit where credits due.

The fuck on "missed opportunities." He's just a billionaire who wants to take advantage of tax benefits of making employees commute to an office for no reason.

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SenlinDescends
02/15/23 11:52:54 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Sarcasm or not, I agree.

I cant connect with people virtually. Im not saying its impossible, but being in person is so much more effective at building up relationships imo.
Too bad for you, remote work should still stay a thing.

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Master_Bass
02/15/23 11:53:27 AM
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He can go fuck himself. It's the best life, and I wouldn't want to go back to going to the office nearly every day.

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Aloc
02/15/23 11:53:37 AM
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He looks like an egg
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cuttin_in_farm
02/15/23 11:56:49 AM
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SenlinDescends posted...
Too bad for you, remote work should still stay a thing.

Obviously.

What do you think the dude in the OP is saying? Hes not saying to get rid of it.

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Holy_Cloud105
02/15/23 11:58:42 AM
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I don't want to socialize with my coworkers. Fuck all of them. Gossiping ass bitches.

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MedeaLysistrata
02/15/23 11:59:50 AM
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This dude is so rich the entire day at the office is basically the equivalent of recess for him

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NeonTentacles
02/15/23 12:01:32 PM
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Being behind a computer screen all day talking and working with people you haven't met in person sounds like it would suck >_> I need face to face to synergize with people

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NatsuSama
02/15/23 12:04:29 PM
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NeonTentacles posted...
Being behind a computer screen all day talking and working with people you haven't met in person sounds like it would suck >_> I need face to face to synergize with people
It doesn't.

If you like face to face then get a job that's face to face. Nothing wrong with that if thats what you prefer. But the bullshit vomit the billionaire is claiming is just not true.

You don't need face to face to excel. You can excel just find with a remote job.

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Humble_Novice
02/15/23 12:12:29 PM
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NeonTentacles posted...
Being behind a computer screen all day talking and working with people you haven't met in person sounds like it would suck >_> I need face to face to synergize with people
No one deserves to be annoyed while working.
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Unsuprised_Pika
02/15/23 12:13:07 PM
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"Andreessen called offices a "continuation of a college campus experience"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/5/AAfNgnAAEL6z.jpg

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ScazarMeltex
02/15/23 12:16:12 PM
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Yeah I don't give a fuck about what a billionaire has to say about anything work related.

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WingsOfGood
02/15/23 12:20:26 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
"Andreessen called offices a "continuation of a college campus experience"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/5/AAfNgnAAEL6z.jpg

Literally why there is stuff like Blizzard and Riot games having their Frat-House cultures...
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Solar_Crimson
02/15/23 12:23:16 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
Well if a privileged billionaire says it, then it must be true.


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Realforce
02/15/23 12:25:10 PM
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All this dude wants is more slaves to build up his wealth.

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NightRender
02/15/23 12:28:05 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
You don't need face to face to excel. You can excel just find with a remote job.

I originally read that as Excel, and now I can't stop giggling.

Back to the article, at a good office job, work can be fun. At a good remote job, work can still be efficient. I would say that most people want fun early on in their career, so I get his point.

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theAteam
02/15/23 12:29:38 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
The discussion, which was called "Disrupting the World's Largest Asset Class," featured WeWork cofounder Adam Neumann, who discussed his new startup Flow, a rental housing company that aims to create living communities. Insider previously reported that the WeWork cofounder had said the startup would make renters feel so much ownership that they'll plunge their own toilets. Andreessen's venture capital firm has invested $350 million in the startup, according to the podcast, a move that some have criticized as a "do-over" and evidence of the privilege many white male cofounders enjoy.

"Please go back to the office so I can stop holding these commercial real estate bags"

WingsOfGood posted...
Andreessen said of the era when workers went into the office every day and companies built elaborate campus communities like at Google, Apple, or Facebook.

Yeah every office was just like the biggest tech companies' campuses and not hellish cube farms.

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WingsOfGood
02/15/23 12:31:48 PM
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theAteam posted...
"Please go back to the office so I can stop holding these commercial real estate bags"

Is that what that is? Or is it like trying to make a remote work community which is not asking people to go back to office but live in his stupid community.
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theAteam
02/15/23 12:36:19 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Is that what that is? Or is it like trying to make a remote work community which is not asking people to go back to office but live in his stupid community.

All I know is you got to be fucking dumb to give money to Adam Neumann at this stage.

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littlebro07
02/15/23 12:37:11 PM
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I'm way happier working from home and I make more money doing it because I can work voluntary overtime and not worry about being home super late. If I was forced to work in the office I'd be like "fuck it I'll do that shit tomorrow" and drive home

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TheGoldenEel
02/15/23 12:52:21 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
This dude is so rich the entire day at the office is basically the equivalent of recess for him
Yeah for those of us who actually have to work, being distracted by pointless conversations about the weather weve been having is actually a detriment

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Murphiroth
02/15/23 12:54:57 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Obviously.

What do you think the dude in the OP is saying? Hes not saying to get rid of it.

Is he saying that outright? No, but it's what he means.
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EmbraceOfDeath
02/15/23 1:01:26 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Sarcasm or not, I agree.

I cant connect with people virtually. Im not saying its impossible, but being in person is so much more effective at building up relationships imo.
That's a personal problem, not a remote work problem.

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bigblu89
02/15/23 1:11:38 PM
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I think the attitude towards which one is "better" is a generational one.

Older people, who never really "lived online" until their later years are more comfortable with the "rat race" of the commute and the face to face interaction that goes with office jobs.

Whereas younger generations that have basically lived their entire life in front of a screen, and have more friends online that in "real life" have no issues with the office being their couch.

Which one is better? I really don't know. I have the kind of job that cannot be done remotely, but my wife has been working remotely for over 2 years now. And they both seems to have their pros and cons. This is only my personal experience, but working from home has caused my wife to become more an more introverted, and reluctant to go out as often as we used to, as her attitude has kind of shifted towards "I have all the friends I need. No need to interact with strangers if there's no reason to". Whereas I'm always willing to go out an meet new people.

I personally feel like, while people's "Network" may be larger due to the ease of access to people, the amount of personal relationships are getting smaller and smaller as the years go by.

Whether or not that is a good thing or a bad thing depends on the individual.

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cuttin_in_farm
02/15/23 1:20:04 PM
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Murphiroth posted...
Is he saying that outright? No, but it's what he means.

This logic is abhorrent.

EmbraceOfDeath posted...
That's a personal problem, not a remote work problem.

You objectively cannot build relationships working remote like you can in office.

And sorry, but asocial folk have no right to act indignant. If you wanna work remote. Feel free. If you wanna go in. Go ahead.

But the dude in the op is just saying that be warned. Youre missing an important part of working which is socializing. Socializing is legit what can make a shit job tolerable.

Id think a place like CE, which whines constantly about having trouble finding folks to date, would understand his point.

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Incurso91
02/15/23 1:22:01 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
yeah the world needs more awkward urinal conversations with your boss
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BTH_Phoenix
02/15/23 1:23:22 PM
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Yes, some people will be hermits. No, it's not work's job to know or care. As long as the job is done, what does it matter?

They should be looking at PERFORMANCE and not "networking." Networking is bullshit. Good employers would look at the best *anonymous names on the screen* and promote based on that. They wouldn't think "oh I know Joe, he spends half the day shooting the shit with me at the water cooler. I'll promote him because he's my buddy and I think he's nice."

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Murphiroth
02/15/23 1:25:14 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
This logic is abhorrent.

If by abhorrent you mean absolutely and objectively correct, sure.

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codey
02/15/23 1:28:30 PM
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I get plenty of water cooler chat during the day while working at home still. Working at home doesn't mean I don't talk to people, it means I get to choose when I do. And intra-office dating? That's generally an awful idea.

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NeonTentacles
02/15/23 1:29:53 PM
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I'd be so distracted if I worked from home lol

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codey
02/15/23 1:31:34 PM
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NeonTentacles posted...
I'd be so distracted if I worked from home lol

I work a hybrid schedule where I go in once or twice a week and I get so little accomplished at the office. At home I can control my distractions, but at the office I suffer at the whims of 12 other people.

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EyeWontBeFooled
02/15/23 1:32:10 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
This.

His words have a lot of truth. Work is where you can network. Its hard to do that if youre just another name in a virtual chat box.
You must have the controversial filter on Reddit up 24/7.

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Zanzenburger
02/15/23 1:40:42 PM
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Every time the discussion of remote work comes along I think about top level leadership of companies and what they'll look like in a few years.

Will CEOs and other C-level executives at companies consist of virtual workers who rose up the ranks, or will there still be a bias towards in-person workers to get to that level? Remote work is changing the culture of what a good employee means, but I wonder if the culture will change enough where it would be common for someone who worked their entire career remotely would achieve the VP or President level at their company.

And if they do make it to that level, I'm curious how much more remote-friendly jobs will be when leadership came from a remote environment.

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VampireCoyote
02/15/23 1:53:24 PM
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work in general is not good for young people

the only real thing that people have is time, and its shameful that so many are forced to give so much of it away just to survive

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bigblu89
02/15/23 2:52:13 PM
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Zanzenburger posted...
Every time the discussion of remote work comes along I think about top level leadership of companies and what they'll look like in a few years.

Will CEOs and other C-level executives at companies consist of virtual workers who rose up the ranks, or will there still be a bias towards in-person workers to get to that level? Remote work is changing the culture of what a good employee means, but I wonder if the culture will change enough where it would be common for someone who worked their entire career remotely would achieve the VP or President level at their company.

Unless the country fully embraces remote employment, I honestly do not see someone who has worked 100% remotely rise to the rank of a CEO or President of a large company, simply because whoever it is that they will be replacing will (most likely, based on traditions) favor in-person interactions over actual accomplishments.


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bigblu89
02/15/23 2:53:03 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
work in general is not good for young people

the only real thing that people have is time, and its shameful that so many are forced to give so much of it away just to survive

Pizza and McDonald's should be a health food.

But unfortunately that's not how the world works.

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Doe
02/15/23 2:53:56 PM
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Office relationships shouldn't have to have a major role in people's lives.

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Gwynevere
02/15/23 2:54:43 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
This logic is abhorrent.
You mean the logic where we infer that he's implying the same thing that other CEOs and executive types are saying when they trash remote work? This push back to the office is not a popular move, so you're gonna have to come with something pretty substantial if you want to convince people it's a good one

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burns112233
02/15/23 2:56:40 PM
#48:


Just balance it. Have a remote day or two.

I mean, some jobs require you to check your email while you are not clocked in. It's bullshit. My job is one and I tell them, oh well I'm not clocked in yet.

So work has to adapt then if they require shit like that.

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Vermander
02/15/23 2:58:36 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...


This.

His words have a lot of truth. Work is where you can network. Its hard to do that if youre just another name in a virtual chat box.

The gym, hobbies, parties, friends of friends, going out

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cuttin_in_farm
02/15/23 2:58:59 PM
#50:


Gwynevere posted...
You mean the logic where we infer that he's implying the same thing that other CEOs and executive types are saying when they trash remote work?

Yes.

That logic is abhorrent.

Well, people from group A all say this, so anyone that shares the traits of group must ALSO be saying it. Even if they dont say it.

Its stupid logic, yes. Treating everything so adversarial is not healthy or a genuine way to engage with things you read.

The dude doesnt even trash remote work. Thats you tossing the worst interpretation possible onto his words.

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