Current Events > I don't understand the Fans of From Software Games.

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People are complaining because people are suggesting a pause button. Just like with an easy mode. Why are these people put aback that there are some people who can't game 24/7, and just stop everything.

Like Spider-Man on the PS4/5. Has a mode were you can disable some button mashing mode. Does that being in there stop any hard core players for enjoying the game.

Quitting out has always been the "pause button" in Soulsborne. You can do it whenever, including during a boss fight and quickly get back into the game when you're done with your shit anyways. Takes like 5 seconds to do.

It's a mix of a weird pathetic gamer flex and "muh tradition".

To quote the AVGN: "What a selfish game. Bottom line, have a fuckin pause button, god damnit!"

If they wanted to add a pause button they've had literally 14 years to add one.

Just stay in a safe area or quit to the main menu.

who cares tho. The company doesn't give a fuck about "journalists" anyway.

What FromSoft SHOULD do is hire engineers to update their decade old engine because it's overdue.

BipBapBam posted...

Quitting out has always been the "pause button" in Soulsborne. You can do it whenever, including during a boss fight and quickly get back into the game when you're done with your shit anyways. Takes like 5 seconds to do.

so theres no reason not to add it

every time these games come out there is a cavalcade of the same people making the exact same demands (add a pause button! add an easy mode! add a quest tracker!), they huff and stomp for awhile, and then they eventually move on while the people who enjoy souls games continue to enjoy souls games

Call it gatekeeping or toxic or whatever you want, but at this point its honestly gotten really annoying to be in the community that plays these games and listening to the ten thousandth rant about why someone needs stuff out of that same basket of random features people have been moaning about since DS1 got popular. It's beating a dead horse, and you aren't going to change anything with your article or thread or whatever any more than all the people before you have.

At the end of the day the developers can make the game however they want. I get people want the easy mode and a pause option but if the developers dont want to add it thats their prerogative.

I do find the people constantly asking for the easy mode etc equally as tiresome as the fanboys though.

If I were the dev Id add the easy mode as paid DLC just for shots and giggles.

Why do it need pause button

Because with each iteration these games become more and more like every other game series and cater more to the mainstream

Oh good, another Souls Games Pause Button topic

How do people not understand at this point that you can't pause a game with online elements? It's basically like asking for a pause button in a MMO.

I dont understand french

Ratchetrockon posted...

Why do it need pause button

"Me! Me! Me! Me!" basically.

and yeah because of the PvP nature of the game, there is no pause for that reason.

voldothegr8 posted...

How do people not understand at this point that you can't pause a game with online elements? It's basically like asking for a pause button in a MMO.

That's the other thing yeah. Sekiro, the only 100% offline Souls game actually does let you pause.

I never felt like it needed it, the game is designed around constant pressure and stopping to pause and gather yourself during a tense moment would impact that. I don't care if they add it, at all, i'm all for more options and accessibility, but i'd never use it.

So where are these From fans that are complaining? I know they exist, but you linked a tweet that's simply stating a fact - From is unlikely to add a pause button. Maybe link a tweet that actually does the thing you're whining about next time?

MarcyWarcy posted...

every time these games come out there is a cavalcade of the same people making the exact same demands (add a pause button! add an easy mode! add a quest tracker!), they huff and stomp for awhile, and then they eventually move on while the people who enjoy souls games continue to enjoy souls games

Call it gatekeeping or toxic or whatever you want, but at this point its honestly gotten really annoying to be in the community that plays these games and listening to the ten thousandth rant about why someone needs stuff out of that same basket of random features people have been moaning about since DS1 got popular. It's beating a dead horse, and you aren't going to change anything with your article or thread or whatever any more than all the people before you have.

This too. These complaints are so played out.

FromSoft fans possess a fun mix of delusional "It's already completely perfect as is" and hostility to any sort of legitimate criticism of the franchise.

Like I loved Elden Ring. I sank 100+ hours into my playthrough, but let's not pretend like the game and From's design choices are beyond criticism.

There were changes/additions that could have improved an already great game. A pause button is one of those things.

BipBapBam posted...

Quitting out has always been the "pause button" in Soulsborne. You can do it whenever, including during a boss fight and quickly get back into the game when you're done with your shit anyways. Takes like 5 seconds to do.

Basically every game has one. Not having one is weird and is an unnecessary, punitive move against the player. If I gotta take a dump in the middle of a lengthy boss fight, I don't appreciate having to start from scratch because of that lol.

I will never respect a Souls player that thinks they're hot shit until they can beat me in a fighting game lol

Theres no reason why those gamers cant simply exit to their consoles Home Screen whenever they need to stop aside. When playing the games offline I do get the whole no pause button complaints though.

There is a way to pause Elden Ring iirc
Has to do with bringing up the explanation menu for the help menu in the inventory or something like that

Where's the "Call of Duty/Fortnite/Apex Needs a Pause Button" article tho?

They just do this to troll and gain clicks.

Master_Kazuya posted...

I will never respect a Souls player that thinks they're hot shit until they can beat me in a fighting game lol

What

"But From makes perfect games, so they have all the quality of life they need! Every other game has pause. Why can't us true gamers that still like challenge have any games to ourselves?"

I even like From games, but I couldn't imagine being so defensive. I don't care if it was about my favorite game ever. Every single game could be improved.

--Zero- posted...

Theres no reason why those gamers cant simply exit to their consoles Home Screen whenever they need to stop aside. When playing the games offline I do get the whole no pause button complaints though.

I do play offline and it is really annoying that I can pause the game. I understand why there's no pause when in online mode, but why not offline?

Jagr_68 posted...

"Me! Me! Me! Me!" basically.

and yeah because of the PvP nature of the game, there is no pause for that reason.

Elden Ring has an offline mode.

Soulsborne fanboys aren't mad because these things would ruin the challenge. They get mad because they can't believe some dumb, casual baby gamers want to tell the objectively greatest games in the world that they aren't perfect.

Jagr_68 posted...

Where's the "Call of Duty/Fortnite/Apex Needs a Pause Button" article tho?

They just do this to troll and gain clicks.

You're being waaaaaaay too defensive over a very mild criticism of something that has nothing to do with you.

If I was able to binge Elden Ring while raising two puppies and did perfectly fine without a pause button, I can't imagine what anyone else's excuse could be.

A pause button for offline playing would be a minor improvement sure, but not nearly as imperative as they are saying lol

cjsdowg posted...

Just like with an easy mode

have you played elden ring? the difficulty is modular based on how you play. it's way better than a separate game mode

you have summons , you have specific items that trivialize bosses , hell the blasphemous blade trivializes all of pve....how tf do you want it to be easier?

The funny thing is that if it was added, these elitist wouldnt even care.

Stakes of Marika received barely any complaints. Yet prior to Elden Ring, I assure you that folks would claim running back to the boss is a part of the tension and experience!

Gamers are just losers often times tbh.

I don't think a from game would be ruined if it had a pause button, but unless it's a sekiro type thing, it's clearly not gonna happen, so why are people still crying about it rather than accepting the experience they're going to get.

There's honestly something soothing in the world around you still moving on while you're in your dumb menu fiddling with shit.

That said, Nioh added a pause button post launch and I'm enjoying it very much.

Because From fans are sad individuals.

Doom_Art posted...

You're being waaaaaaay too defensive over a very mild criticism of something that has nothing to do with you.

Not really because I replied earlier about upgrading the engine and also netcode. That's something I advocate but barely a percentile of both sides of these stupid arguments don't demand at all or complain about shit that's not in line with their design philosophy.

And like a previous poster said, everyone will shut up anyway the moment a new game comes out meaning no one actually gives a shit. It's just complaining for the sake of boredom.

What's not to understand? They like playing the same janky game over and over.

Game is always online

game is constantly saving within 8 or so steps of your last position

if you need an extended break just quit out

It'd be funny if From put a pause button in their games but did it like Monster Hunter.

Bad mad because bad topic# 10837353

Probably 'cause it'd be nigh-worthless and still not pause anything due to the game being... y'know... always online.

You ever try to pause an online game?
Go ahead.
Try it.
The only one I know that let you pause it was Warcraft III. And they were allowed to kick you out after a few seconds.

If the devs & designers believe that not being able to pause adds to the experience then they shouldn't be pestered to change their vision. That said, I'm pretty sure it's only because the asynchronous multi-player & invasions would break, considering Sekiro had a pause button.

lennethsoki posted...

Probably 'cause it'd be nigh-worthless and still not pause anything due to the game being... y'know... always online.

You ever try to pause an online game?
Go ahead.
Try it.
The only one I know that let you pause it was Warcraft III. And they were allowed to kick you out after a few seconds.

The game isn't always online though.

I think it makes sense on paper, but the bigger question is, how would it work if you're playing online most of the time? It actually seems a tad trickier to code than your usual pause button, since online multiplayer and single-player are fused into a singular experience:

* You're pausing = you go offline, the world pauses, and can't matchmake
* You unpause = you go back online
* You're invaded or invading = can't pause at all
* You're offline = you can pause anytime

The fourth bullet point seem the most easily implementable, though. If you start the game offline, I don't think it'd be hard to add a pause function.
Case in point, Sekiro -- which has no online -- has the pause button. Nowadays, I take it as a stylistic quirk anyway (fitting of the "Souls are hard" trope even).

Doe posted...

asynchronous

Doesn't asynchronous mean that it doesn't need an active connection? That means it only needs connection sometimes to receive packets of data (like ghost replays in Mario Kart), not real time transferring of those packets.

Lack of a pause button is just incompetence, thats all there is to it

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Lack of a pause button is just incompetence, thats all there is to it

Nah.

BipBapBam posted...

Quitting out has always been the "pause button" in Soulsborne. You can do it whenever, including during a boss fight and quickly get back into the game when you're done with your shit anyways. Takes like 5 seconds to do.

So then...why not have a pause button?

I like From games a lot but it has to have the most defensive fans I've ever seen lol

A pause button would take like 0.5 seconds to do so why should it take 5 seconds? Should every area have really long loading screens too?

It's pretty silly that you have to work around it, just add a fucking pause button lol

Jagr_68 posted...

"Me! Me! Me! Me!" basically.

and yeah because of the PvP nature of the game, there is no pause for that reason.

Exhibit A lol. Wanting a quality of life feature is "Me! Me! Me! Me!"???

Well yeah lol Im the player of the game!!!!

Imagine framing people wanting QOL features of them being selfish? lol