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Crescent-Moon
03/07/23 11:26:16 AM
#51:


wallmasterz posted...
The lynchings will continue until morale improves
This seems like a dangerous slope

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wallmasterz
03/07/23 11:26:35 AM
#52:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Seriously, we're still talking about possibilities and the like, with NO information to go on. And you think we should deny ourselves ANY information a lynch can tell us? Only scum would want to do that.

Lynches are the best way to get information and suggesting a No Lynch on D1 is not something pro-town.

If everyone agrees d1 lynches are a double-edged sword but necessary means to an end to get valuable information, then doesnt it make sense to lynch the person who will yield the most info when they flip?

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:26:55 AM
#54:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
All this talk about Lea and she's probably just busy.

I'm not grumpy at all. I'm also probably a little bit geared to see your posts with mistrust because earlier in the day you said something I didn't like so I've been modestly wary of you since.

Anyway, if you want me to go into details about why your questions were not compelling, you'll have to wait about 5 hours, so

Luckily I am free in 5 hours.

What didn't you like, Mr han

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:27:21 AM
#55:


In fact, this is empirically the most pleasant I've been in like, 10 games.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:29:22 AM
#57:


Lea you're awful you need to post more or get out of here

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Crescent-Moon
03/07/23 11:29:37 AM
#58:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
All this talk about Lea and she's probably just busy.

I'm not grumpy at all. I'm also probably a little bit geared to see your posts with mistrust because earlier in the day you said something I didn't like so I've been modestly wary of you since.

Anyway, if you want me to go into details about why your questions were not compelling, you'll have to wait about 5 hours, so
It was a brief discussion in which no shade was thrown and no one called her inactive. This isn't giving an opinion on Lea nor does it seem relevant to the brief discussion we had on her.

Which makes me wonder why say it at all

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:29:45 AM
#59:


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In reality this is more about feeling dismissed than him being grumpy but I was being cute.

Han and I are currently on very different wavelengths. There are a couple of reasons this could be the case and one of them is han is scum with an anti town agenda. The jc case feels incredibly soft to me. Him dismissing me feels soft as well. I want him to answer for that and more.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:30:04 AM
#60:


I mean, Lea you're so great I like having you around.

But really, post more, because I'm having trouble getting a read on you insofar

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:30:18 AM
#61:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
In fact, this is empirically the most pleasant I've been in like, 10 games.

Who hurt you

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ctesjbuvf
03/07/23 11:30:44 AM
#63:


SirChris posted...
Correct. Death timezones make it more likely he misses random things but it is hard to miss votes on you.

I guess that makes it a better point, but this is also just about thinking that JC can do better as scum than this implies.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:30:49 AM
#64:


Crescent-Moon posted...
It was a brief discussion in which no shade was thrown and no one called her inactive. This isn't giving an opinion on Lea nor does it seem relevant to the brief discussion we had on her.

Which makes me wonder why say it at all

Because it was relevant to the brief discussion that was had on her.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:31:15 AM
#66:


SirChris posted...
Who hurt you
Lopen

and Ulti a bit


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SirChris
03/07/23 11:32:17 AM
#67:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I guess that makes it a better point, but this is also just about thinking that JC can do better as scum than this implies.

JC is a veteran player with years of experience so I wouldn't expect that from him unless someone has a recent scum game to prove I am overestimating scum jc's caution.

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:32:56 AM
#68:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Lopen

and Ulti a bit

Having played mercs with Lopen let me just say I understand.

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ctesjbuvf
03/07/23 11:33:11 AM
#69:


He hasn't been scum since I came back.

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Sheep007
03/07/23 11:33:21 AM
#70:


Bleh. Halfway through an ISO on Han, and my main thought is that his vote on me was as meh as I remembered it being. Of all the reasons to name for voting me, it strikes me as off that he took the game in a way that my read on Death (something I legitimately felt pretty strongly about. I still do, although I've not yet received one of the 100% TownDeath tells from him) is what he thought was most noteworthy.

I am also mildly confused upon refreshing seeing Han talk about Lea being busy and then that she seriously needs to post more? Even with my mild suspicions of her, I don't feel like she needs to post more frequently in the slightest, I'd just be feeling better about her if her posts had more weight in the game.

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:34:13 AM
#71:


Sheep007 posted...
Bleh. Halfway through an ISO on Han, and my main thought is that his vote on me was as meh as I remembered it being. Of all the reasons to name for voting me, it strikes me as off that he took the game in a way that my read on Death (something I legitimately felt pretty strongly about. I still do, although I've not yet received one of the 100% TownDeath tells from him) is what he thought was most noteworthy.

I am also mildly confused upon refreshing seeing Han talk about Lea being busy and then that she seriously needs to post more? Even with my mild suspicions of her, I don't feel like she needs to post more frequently in the slightest, I'd just be feeling better about her if her posts had more weight in the game.

do what you know in your heart you desire to do. Strike him down, sheep.

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Crescent-Moon
03/07/23 11:35:18 AM
#72:


Sheep007 posted...
I am also mildly confused upon refreshing seeing Han talk about Lea being busy and then that she seriously needs to post more? Even with my mild suspicions of her, I don't feel like she needs to post more frequently in the slightest, I'd just be feeling better about her if her posts had more weight in the game.
This is why I said it was a comment I felt didn't need to exist other than to bring Lea up.

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Sheep007
03/07/23 11:36:19 AM
#73:


I am considering it but also I actually kinda like his JC vote? Plus my heart is telling me I need to go somewhere else for a while and then I might circle back round to Han with you in an hour or so.

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:37:23 AM
#74:


Crescent-Moon posted...
This is why I said it was a comment I felt didn't need to exist other than to bring Lea up.

Odds scum Han just did an oops with scum lea?

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ctesjbuvf
03/07/23 11:38:13 AM
#76:


While it's weird to bring up alone, in Han's defense, I do recall him stating he has a very difficult time reading Death several times.

I have been a bit concerned about Han because he has had much less presence than I feel like he usually does, though neither SBell nor Lopen playing also means he can't fill up pages discussing with any of them lol.

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:39:04 AM
#77:


ctesjbuvf posted...
While it's weird to bring up alone, in Han's defense, I do recall him stating he has a very difficult time reading Death several times.

I have been a bit concerned about Han because he has had much less presence than I feel like he usually does, though neither SBell nor Lopen playing also means he can't fill up pages discussing with any of them lol.

He has been pretty hands off with me although he did recently mention not liking something I said before.


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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:39:38 AM
#79:


Sheep007 posted...
Bleh. Halfway through an ISO on Han, and my main thought is that his vote on me was as meh as I remembered it being. Of all the reasons to name for voting me, it strikes me as off that he took the game in a way that my read on Death (something I legitimately felt pretty strongly about. I still do, although I've not yet received one of the 100% TownDeath tells from him) is what he thought was most noteworthy.

Is it bad that I actually don't know what you're taking about here?

I am also mildly confused upon refreshing seeing Han talk about Lea being busy and then that she seriously needs to post more? Even with my mild suspicions of her, I don't feel like she needs to post more frequently in the slightest, I'd just be feeling better about her if her posts had more weight in the game.

Lea and I tend to have a rapport - we've had games where we don't develop it and end up as both Town. But I'm mainly channeling my thoughts from last game where I generally felt good about her and she tosses out some solid reads that ended up panning out.

That hasn't quite happened yet and I'm seeing more Sheepa than Leada which is why I want to see more.


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Crescent-Moon
03/07/23 11:39:40 AM
#80:


SirChris posted...
Odds scum Han just did an oops with scum lea?
That feels too simple to say "oops". Han would not make that kind of mistake.

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:40:10 AM
#81:


Crescent-Moon posted...
That feels too simple to say "oops". Han would not make that kind of mistake.

Why bring Lea up iyo?

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ctesjbuvf
03/07/23 11:40:32 AM
#82:


Well yeah, he also did say he had about no time yesterday so I didn't dwell too much on it.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:41:55 AM
#83:


Crescent-Moon posted...
This is why I said it was a comment I felt didn't need to exist other than to bring Lea up.

It was a loose defense of Lea in that I was catching up after a meeting and saw people comparing her to past selves and her lack of as much weight, as Sheep put it, id probably due to her being busy.


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Crescent-Moon
03/07/23 11:43:12 AM
#85:


SirChris posted...
Why bring Lea up iyo?
The scum motive would be just to make a comment to not be seen as avoiding it. My nagging issue was it felt like it's there for the sole purpose of being there. It didn't say anything.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:44:30 AM
#86:


SirChris posted...
Why bring Lea up iyo?

Also worth saying that I didn't bring Lea up. It was actually Sheep

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:45:54 AM
#87:


Crescent-Moon posted...
The scum motive would be just to make a comment to not be seen as avoiding it. My nagging issue was it felt like it's there for the sole purpose of being there. It didn't say anything.

Actually it did say something.

I'm starting to get tires of this, Crescent.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:46:02 AM
#88:


Tired, even

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:46:28 AM
#89:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Also worth saying that I didn't bring Lea up. It was actually Sheep
I know sheep broached the subject but I don't know why you mentioned Lea in the way you did

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:47:17 AM
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I respect town death a lot more than scum death tbh

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Crescent-Moon
03/07/23 11:47:23 AM
#92:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Didn't you get shot night 1

Doesn't that mean you did something right

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Crescent-Moon
03/07/23 11:53:05 AM
#95:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

So basically Red is responsible for scum losing last game

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/23 11:53:16 AM
#96:


SirChris posted...
I know sheep broached the subject but I don't know why you mentioned Lea in the way you did

I already mostly explained why, but I'll clarify since reading beyond surface level is difficult for some people.

Lea was being discussed with regards to her past play. By two people who haven't played with her in like a year+. She's been discussed as floaty and fucking around, and not having the weight she did as Scum.

I'm saying that this read is fallacious because she's probably just busy. She's been busy as of late, but I remembered interactions with her more in the previous game's day 1 than in this one, hence me saying I wanted her to post more.


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Sheep007
03/07/23 11:55:29 AM
#98:


Chris, I'm not sure if you've discussed it specifically yet, but how do you feel about Han's justification of unvoting me?

I'm asking this partially because the last time I was town and Han was Scum he killed me within like twelve hours of me joining the game, and I'm slightly aware I may be falling for the JC bait and missing the scum trying to get in my good books, which has led me down a bit of a path of thinking Han's actions might be driven by not wanting to rile me up. All ego, I'm sure, but humour me for a moment.

HanOfTheNekos posted...
Is it bad that I actually don't know what you're taking about here?
To clarify, when you voted me, you said "I vaguely agree or don't care about the other cases against Sheep, but I don't think he can actually read Death that well", and I'm not entirely sure I believe that read.

HanOfTheNekos posted...
Thoughts on Sheep:

Vote: Sheep

I agree or don't care about a lot of what's been said, but I want to add that Death is anything but an open book and that's what stuck out to me this morning. I don't believe that read.

I also find it slightly curious that you then fairly quickly unvoted me without putting much more pressure on, and most of your reasoning (while it's basically correct), is mostly based on the fact that Scum doesn't do what I did. It doesn't take me claiming to figure that out. I know you said that a reread led to this thought process, so maybe I'm just assuming things that felt fairly obvious with my full knowledge of my role should have also been obvious to you (which clearly isn't true considering basically everyone had a bad reaction to my start).

And one more thing - would you believe me if I said not putting my flavour in was bait specifically for you? I love Star Trek and I knew my flavour well enough to just claim it off the cuff if I wanted, plus I know you've mentioned that "oh scum claims flavour" thing in multiple previous games. Possibly my ego getting in the way again, but I feel like you're aware enough and have mentioned that little tell a few games running now, to the point I'd expect you to second-guess it a little more.

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SirChris
03/07/23 11:56:59 AM
#100:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I already mostly explained why, but I'll clarify since reading beyond surface level is difficult for some people.

Lea was being discussed with regards to her past play. By two people who haven't played with her in like a year+. She's been discussed as floaty and fucking around, and not having the weight she did as Scum.

I'm saying that this read is fallacious because she's probably just busy. She's been busy as of late, but I remembered interactions with her more in the previous game's day 1 than in this one, hence me saying I wanted her to post more.

You do realize just for the record I am literally internet wide considered one of the best players in mafia right.

Like if you want to come at me with 'reading beyond the surface level is hard for some pepple' I can crank up my aggression to levels that make lopen and ulti on their worst day look like school children playing in the sand.

So I would suggest keeping your snideness to yourself.

Anyway regardless of how busy she has been she has been a lot less aggressive than in poke wars which was only 9 months ago or so bot a year + just fyi


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