Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 3: Good tea. Nice house.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Although maybe I am just a washed up old man no one is agreeing with my vote.

Come on people it's my first game back. King me.

*Thats not even a trap card being activated in that gif right there, psh*

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Not even proving Town, but you haven't done anything that makes me think you are. That might just be respect for your play on overdrive, but I've viewed most of what you've said with healthy suspicion.

If I were to step back from that, id say we actually agreed on Sheep to start. I think I believe Sheep is Town more than you, and also though we were both looking at Ulti, I think I believe he is more likely to be Scum than you do. Based on what I've seen.

Thing is, even if I disagree with you in some places, I don't see your actions and ways of driving discussion as being anti-Town so I don't really have anything to talk you down from. Except for the Lea thing, which as expressed, I thought was fallacious. Yes, she has maybe not been as aggressive as in SW&P, but I don't think that's indicative.

As for the post I didn't like, it was the one where I said I didn't know what you were actually saying. I'll admit I suffer from getting suspicious of people who look my way more than I should. But it felt like word salad designed to put something on me, and your questions to me on JC felt the same - sort of like peacocking to look like you're making more of a point than you are.

Anyway, I'll ENGAGE because you're the only one I can remember off-hand saying something along the lines, but do you think JC voting on "gut" is explicitly Townish?

And does anybody else think he's Town? Or do some people just not like my argument, but that's it?

If you like I can link the game where people accused me of word salad a lot day 1. That is a thing now with me.

I feel scum jc comes up with a better reason than that yeah

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Did you ever have a reason for voting me last game either? >_>
I think I kind of figured you would tell me if it was relevant, or else not tell me if you didn't want to give up a sweet ass player tell that you can catch me on in the future.

htaeD posted...

And my frustration with you is warranted as well.

EDumey say it in clear text. Do you think I have been doing nothing but asking questions?
(or at least on monday)

I think JC's assessment of you matched my own, in that you did not offer up many opinions on your own, and mostly just pinged for a couple of questions.
My previous assessment of what Death does when he plays is that it's hard to get a read on your opinions until you're asked for them or someone bullies you about your hesitance to ever vote, so this alone is not enough to condemn you. But what I felt was missing (and what I specifically mentioned even when I added on to JC's original complaint) was that I thought the Voice of Reason Death was missing from this game. This could totally be explained by you not being around at opportune times to actually contribute that! But instead of an explanation that you weren't around or didn't feel needed to clarify points, or anything, you've instead been implying that I must not be reading your game instead. That's why I feel like I need to verify for myself with an ISO if I've honestly misread you, or if my feelings were correct.

Votals:
[2] death - JC, Lea, (Chris)
[2] JC - Han, (Ulti), Sultan
[1] Sheep - (Chris), (Han), (Lea), (EDumey), Wallmasterz
[1] EDumey - (Ulti), Ulti
[1] Han - (BCT), Chris
[0] Ulti - (Chris), (BCT)
[0] Ctes - (Sultan)
[0] Wall - (BCT), (BCT)

Day Ends in roughly 7.5 hours

I think JC's assessment of you matched my own, in that you did not offer up many opinions on your own, and mostly just pinged for a couple of questions.

Well then you're both wrong. At least factually.
Plus JC's argument was a bit more than that, since he at least admitted he was unimpressed with my topic2 posts mostly.

And EDumey, I dont know how I can imply something when it seems like you are admitting that you havent read my posts yet? Isn't that what the ISO is for?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

nyway, I'll ENGAGE because you're the only one I can remember off-hand saying something along the lines, but do you think JC voting on "gut" is explicitly Townish?

And does anybody else think he's Town? Or do some people just not like my argument, but that's it?

I think JC making a list post is consistent with his previous Town play and didn't think he was inherently scummy. I did try and clarify your reasoning for voting for him back in the previous topic, but that was more me thinking Ulti was jumping onto the wagon for bad reasoning instead of understanding what you actually said.

Anyway the more Lea keeps her vote on me, the more I feel like she just wants to squeeze a claim out of me.

I don't need to see another game. I won't read it anyway.

I can both take your words to mind and accept it's probably a thing you do more often now, but I can also hold a healthy amount of suspicion because you could just be lying or do it NAI anyway.

Even holding an amount of suspicion I'm still willing to engage with you. I just haven't had much purpose.

And to clarify, that's not meant to be a default stance or however you responded to Lea - my reads of the game have been based more on Townclearing lately, and I have been more moderate in terms of examining people's arguments and such instead of just trying to slam dunk a read.

As it stands, you are not in the Townish tier - us agreeing on some points probably keeps you neutral but I still feel uneasy because you have yet to do anything that makes me think you're actually Town.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Neither of you are my prime suspects. My vote is on Dumey for a reason.

Did you seriously just tell the entire game youre about to scan guilty? LMAO, please dont let this be your only game. Too good my dude.

You arent my prime suspect either. Well, you werent. All I said was Im going to be scanned. New guy gets a free pass to d2, which means Im getting the n1 scan, which means you will know Im Town soon enough.

I think you picking on me a little bit is weird. It doesnt feel like youre really trying to feel me out. I think me and BCT got put at the kids table for d1 and youre running around us pointing to look busy while Chris and Han reenact the classic marriage story meme

Oh and to clarify
On the logs I didnt see JC making lists in the first topic in the last 3 towngames he was in. I didn't have the time to check more topics so maybe he did it literally at the start of topic2.
But thats what I verified

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My read on him last game was based on his actions toward end of day though - not an analysis like this.

If anything, I'd say he had a more cocksure attitude in the previous game and that I see this as different.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I absolutely promise Im not picking on you and that Im using the kiddiest of kid gloves. Anyone with Ulti exp can vouch.

Not to put words in their mouth, but I do think part of their point is that it's irritating and unhelpful using the kid gloves when Wall seems a good enough player. From my own perspective, I don't know if you've been reading, but I think Wall is a very solid townread and it does seem a little like you're engaging with the least useful part of the topic.

htaeD posted...

And EDumey, I dont know how I can imply something when it seems like you are admitting that you havent read my posts yet? Isn't that what the ISO is for?

No. I didn't do a grand ISO of anyone last night like previous games because I felt fairly confident I had a good idea of where everyone stood and there were fewer topics to remember at the time. The reason for the ISO is because I don't have a problem admitting I made a mistake if I do have a different opinion on rereading, or I confirm my first reading and can substantiate to the rest of the game why I think so.

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IIRC you called me town when I jumped onto the Sheep votes to help support the pressure. I thought you explained yourself in that post.
I also don't really think I chase why people think I'm town or not in general. Chris said he thought I was town for suspecting him early, but I was just poking BCT and MZero to see how much they were engaging critically with the game (which btw BCT basically saying they refuse to evaluate Chris because of extreme Chrisfear is kinda cringe, but whatever, not a scum tell as far as I can tell), wasn't really making allegations toward him. Not like I'm gonna come out and correct him on that! Obviously posting this here goes right in the face of that, but I think you get my point.

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I suspected Ctes a lot when he was Town. Same with Isquen, but I've learned to adjust to that. As for Ctes, we're Masons this game so I don't have to worry about reading him wrong.

As for JC, I don't really remember if I've gunned for him prior to last game. It doesn't quite register on my mind.

Lea, can you put your argument on Death to me in three sentences, and explain why Chris is wrong?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't need to see another game. I won't read it anyway.

I can both take your words to mind and accept it's probably a thing you do more often now, but I can also hold a healthy amount of suspicion because you could just be lying or do it NAI anyway.

Even holding an amount of suspicion I'm still willing to engage with you. I just haven't had much purpose.

And to clarify, that's not meant to be a default stance or however you responded to Lea - my reads of the game have been based more on Townclearing lately, and I have been more moderate in terms of examining people's arguments and such instead of just trying to slam dunk a read.

As it stands, you are not in the Townish tier - us agreeing on some points probably keeps you neutral but I still feel uneasy because you have yet to do anything that makes me think you're actually Town.

Aren't my two best town tells dying and murdering a scum

What would you even be looking for day 1 to go 'oh yeah Chris seems town'

oh hey ignore that post Ulti came to the same conclusion during the time I did not refresh

Wall's general assertiveness is more likely to come from town, to that extent I would agree.

Let's just do what we usually do and special MZero with 15 minutes left in the day

Or does that not happen anymore

EDumey posted...

No. I didn't do a grand ISO of anyone last night like previous games because I felt fairly confident I had a good idea of where everyone stood and there were fewer topics to remember at the time. The reason for the ISO is because I don't have a problem admitting I made a mistake if I do have a different opinion on rereading, or I confirm my first reading and can substantiate to the rest of the game why I think so.

IIRC you called me town when I jumped onto the Sheep votes to help support the pressure. I thought you explained yourself in that post.
I also don't really think I chase why people think I'm town or not in general. Chris said he thought I was town for suspecting him early, but I was just poking BCT and MZero to see how much they were engaging critically with the game (which btw BCT basically saying they refuse to evaluate Chris because of extreme Chrisfear is kinda cringe, but whatever, not a scum tell as far as I can tell), wasn't really making allegations toward him. Not like I'm gonna come out and correct him on that! Obviously posting this here goes right in the face of that, but I think you get my point.

I appreciated the scrutiny if not suspicion when at that point no one had bothered.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Just kill Dumey for me since I wont be here lul

I like dumey though. Kill Han for me

Yes, scrutiny is probably a better word.

I think gladiatoring Han and MZero would be funny. Not useful, but funny.

Okay then I will correct my assessment of "you werent reading" to "you arent remembering well"

Regardless, I do want to see more from you. So I will back off for now.
Doesnt have to be ISO levels of detailed if you just dont have the time.

htaeD posted...

Regardless, I do want to see more from you. So I will back off for now.

By "see more from you" you mean specifically regarding my interaction with you, right? I feel like I've had my hand in almost every pot this game so far, I shouldn't be an under the radar enigma to anyone at this point.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Last time Han got lynched D1 he was the doctor. Pass.

Valid point that roles from previous games carry over.

(Sarcasm)

SirChris posted...

Aren't my two best town tells dying and murdering a scum

What would you even be looking for day 1 to go 'oh yeah Chris seems town'

You murdered lots of Scum in SW&P!

I hate to focus on Red, but I have a vivid memory of eating lunch at a bodega reading you bully Red into activity. And then drawing from that. And pushing on.

I don't think it's fair to completely compare those, as you've floated among the net for awhile and B8 Town's are just lazier recently on D1, but there's a fire led by legitimate work that would do me a better job at locking in that thought on you.

All that said, I still don't consider it relevant because I doubt, if you're Town, that you live for long. I also doubt I live for long, since now I won't be seen as default N1 save. So really, my read on you I consider to not be something actionable, and likely won't be. So it's better to not care so much.

As for JC, I think he put a lot of thought into his list. I get what you're saying about the gut line seeming to be more from Town but I probably need to go back and read what he said after that to put my thoughts into more accurate light.

Also, I've been playing wayyyy more than I should at work. So I guess repost the questions you asked me earlier if you want me to tell you why I didn't care for them.

Anyway my precious kouhai we are getting down to the latter stages of the day.

Let's play a game

3 people you would murder. 3 people you are vetoing from a lynch. Let's see what consensus says

Murder: han, ulti, Sultan
Veto: jc, wall, Crescent

Also, yeah, from a metagame standpoint, wanting to kill me D1 is expressly anti-Town-Chris, so another thing I feel weird about.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Last time Han got lynched D1 he was the doctor. Pass.

Scum slip? I thought you were doctor

Also Sultan is likely Town too

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You murdered lots of Scum in SW&P!

I hate to focus on Red, but I have a vivid memory of eating lunch at a bodega reading you bully Red into activity. And then drawing from that. And pushing on.

I don't think it's fair to completely compare those, as you've floated among the net for awhile and B8 Town's are just lazier recently on D1, but there's a fire led by legitimate work that would do me a better job at locking in that thought on you.

All that said, I still don't consider it relevant because I doubt, if you're Town, that you live for long. I also doubt I live for long, since now I won't be seen as default N1 save. So really, my read on you I consider to not be something actionable, and likely won't be. So it's better to not care so much.

As for JC, I think he put a lot of thought into his list. I get what you're saying about the gut line seeming to be more from Town but I probably need to go back and read what he said after that to put my thoughts into more accurate light.

Also, I've been playing wayyyy more than I should at work. So I guess repost the questions you asked me earlier if you want me to tell you why I didn't care for them.

I did say pre game that I am a lot less fiery these days! Plus red's inactivity has a special place in my heart where I refuse to accept it. Although no one has been inactive so far aside from mzero q little bit.

Also I was town in poke wars what do you mean

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, yeah, from a metagame standpoint, wanting to kill me D1 is expressly anti-Town-Chris, so another thing I feel weird about.

I don't give day 1 passes to people if I think they are scummy tbh

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I mean by now you've stoked my curiosity though. Are you willing to tell me, or were you just interested in why I wasn't asking before?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Behavior does and I actually led that special. I thought he legitimately looked bad and that I was a great player for actually convincing people to kill him. Turns out scum played me and I just suck.

I dont think Han this game is as sus as that one. I cant sign on.

If you thought he was sus that game and he was town perhaps him being not sus to you this game means he is scum. Next level thinking

That being said ulti you riding edumey all day reminds me of scum me just riding a vote all day to appear to be tunneling. You haven't helped me at all today and I think edumey is town. I would expect more vigor when it came to playing with me

Murder: Han, Lea, MZero (this is pretty hard and just the first names that came to mind, because there's really nobody I feel rough on just yet and I have basically zero compelling reason to feel good on any of these).

Veto: Wall, Crescent, Death (a little easier, although I almost put Ulti in over Death! I don't think anything could convince me to lynch the first two, while I still haven't gotten The Tell which would make me all but certain Death is Town).

How come you're vetoing JC, Chris? Specifically the Han relation?

Sheep007 posted...

Murder: Han, Lea, MZero (this is pretty hard and just the first names that came to mind, because there's really nobody I feel rough on just yet and I have basically zero compelling reason to feel good on any of these).

Veto: Wall, Crescent, Death (a little easier, although I almost put Ulti in over Death! I don't think anything could convince me to lynch the first two, while I still haven't gotten The Tell which would make me all but certain Death is Town).

How come you're vetoing JC, Chris? Specifically the Han relation?

Look at my kill list
Look at who has voted jc