Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 3: Good tea. Nice house.

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Sheep007 posted...

Sultan. I am not fond of this post. You have played with Chris before, you know how assertive he is regardless of alignment, and I know for a fact you can comprehend more layers to a post than this. It doesn't matter in the slightest if Chris draws attention and you know that.

Meh I guess. This is true. Maybe I should stop trying to read Chris its probably a bad idea

SirChris posted...

(Seriously I play sk during the day early strictly as town lol)

And yet in SW&P you led a lot more than this.

And that's why you're probably Scum here.

/detective

Anyway, Chris, I gave you the opportunity to repost the questions for me but idgaf anymore. Only one of them was worthwhile in leading anywhere logically. The rest were fluff.

Sheep007 posted...

The purpose was partially to get you off me, and partially for my own amusement. I think wanting your vote elsewhere is purpose enough.

See, this is why I can't firmly put you in my Town category, because I can't for a second believe this is true.

It's also, like, intentionally ignoring how I do act as Scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Kill: MZero (way too inactive even by his standards), Dumey, Andy.

Have you flip flopped on BCT deserving Day 1 protection and back and forth? That was one of the few things BCT did mention on their own last night was you seemingly switching opinions on whether you wanted to kill them or not.
Genuine question if you think you've been consistent on this one or not, I don't fully remember the order of events.

That's not a list of three vetos, Dumey! You aren't getting away that easy.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Meh I guess. This is true. Maybe I should stop trying to read Chris its probably a bad idea

Nah, don't stop in the slightest. We need people to try and read Chris or we get stomped the second he rolls scum. Think about it from a different angle - what are the motivations for Chris to act the way he is as Town, or to act this way as Scum?

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Certainly more directionless than he was in SW&P

You guys are making catch up while making dinner difficult.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

See, this is why I can't firmly put you in my Town category, because I can't for a second believe this is true.

It's also, like, intentionally ignoring how I do act as Scum.

Meh, I doubt I'm gonna convince you but it's truthful. I've said everything I want to on the matter.

How would you say you act as scum that's relevant to this? I genuinely don't think I have the experience of seeing it to know what you're getting att (I've played with you as Scum like three times ever?), although I do think you're far less assured or comfortable when not Town.

Chris is probably intentionally wrong about Death so

##Unvote: JC
##Vote: Death

What are the chances this is all performative by Chris and Han

Sheep007 posted...

Meh, I doubt I'm gonna convince you but it's truthful. I've said everything I want to on the matter.

How would you say you act as scum that's relevant to this? I genuinely don't think I have the experience of seeing it to know what you're getting att (I've played with you as Scum like three times ever?), although I do think you're far less assured or comfortable when not Town.

So do you know how I play as both alignments or not? Because according to your reasoning for your bait (which confirms that I am actively thinking you're not Scum for that, which means I am actively trying to determine if you are Scum or not), you know how I act perfectly as both alignments.

But really, it just seems you're full of it.

Also fwiw I feel pretty decent about Chris, especially in this topic. Which is a little concerning because I have never felt this good about him, but at the same time I will worry about that if he is still alive D2.

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I disagree with this tbh. Just because directions have been resolved to my satisfaction for the moment doesn't mean I didn't have them.

Difference between this and the cited swp is that my early direction was Ben and then sheep who just never had a good answer for me or did anything to change my mind.

As for pulling han out of a hat I don't understand how that aligns given I am poking han for specific reasons.

Also han I am not going to pull up questions while you are at work. You have already mentioned it like 5 times which has put me off and admittedly I cannot afford 75k a year for mafia play so I will wait.

Sheep007 posted...

That's not a list of three vetos, Dumey! You aren't getting away that easy.

If you are wanting this strictly for potential Rule of three purposes, then I will amend my list to

Kill: Death, Ulti, Crescent
Veto: Wallmz, Han, JC.
I think Han is wrong on JC, but not because he's scum.

Lea posted...

He's very noncommital. I feel like he's durdling around asking questions, taking game actions, etc, but it hasn't really led to a lot of reads or results that I can see. Like backing off of Death way before there was a chance to have useful pressure on him to get reads, kind of feels like he picked Han out of a hat more than anything. I do not consider this suspecting him for being chill, I don't mind that, it just feels very directionless.

I feel like if Chris wanted to vote me because he actually suspected me, he would have said as much.

It is true that scumChris likes to back off from people to make them look good in the process. I just know that this is not the case when it comes to me.

EDumey posted...

Kill: Death, Ulti, Crescent

Interesting why Crescent??

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Chris is probably intentionally wrong about Death so

##Unvote: JC
##Vote: Death

Coward vote me lol

Oh wait Han voted me?
I missed that but that is absolute nonsense.

I will humor Chris a bit.

Kill: Uhh Sultan, Sheep, maybe Crescent
Veto: Ctes, probably Wall, probably Lea

5 out out 6 of those I would not look a lot into. I'm struggling to get leads, it was similar last game where I thought it maybe meant scum was inactives and/or very good players. That ended up being almost completely correct.

Alot of votes on Death for weird reasons man.

Do people really know how to read Death and I don't?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

So do you know how I play as both alignments or not? Because according to your reasoning for your bait (which confirms that I am actively thinking you're not Scum for that, which means I am actively trying to determine if you are Scum or not), you know how I act perfectly as both alignments.

But really, it just seems you're full of it.

Mhmm, I'm omnipotent and always know your exact plan no matter your alignment.

I think if someone did not put their flavour claim in their role claim, you would probably say roughly what you did, based on your analytical style of play. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not. Or maybe I really am full of it and trying to get a rise out of you. Who knows?

UltimaterializerX posted...

If you think hes intentionally wrong why not vote Chris instead.

Because I do give Day 1 passes.

I'm steamed right now so it's possible I'm overreacting in regards to Chris. Also, if I'm wrong, it's much more preferable to have Chris alive. Also, I don't believe I would successfully lynch him on my reasonings so far, so I'd rather not waste my time.

Sultan dont you dare try to slink your way unto me.

Sheep007 posted...

Mhmm, I'm omnipotent and always know your exact plan no matter your alignment.

You said it first

htaeD posted...

Oh wait Han voted me?
I missed that but that is absolute nonsense.

This is a fake reaction.

Based on everything I've said so far this game, there is absolutely no reason to think me voting you is nonsense.

Lea's the one with the heat check.

Lea posted...

Mafia is a wonderfully egalaterian where nonsense votes count the same as serious business votes

The only difference being that I refuse to take the former seriously

I am not even sure what kind of nonsense Han is on though. Did he even mention me before besides saying he cant read me?

UltimaterializerX posted...

##Unvote
##Vote: Chris

Theyre all cowards so Ill do it. Lets have fun.

You can soul read me easier than anyone, so you KNOW Im town. Putting me on a kill list is weak.

Ulti it is ridiculous that you expect me to believe that you think all you have to do is exist and I know your alignment. I am very good at reading you but nothing you have done today suggests a town profile that I have for you.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You said it first

This is a fake reaction.

Based on everything I've said so far this game, there is absolutely no reason to think me voting you is nonsense.

Lea's the one with the heat check.

Okay now you are just full of it
Why the hell would I not think your vote is nonsense?

htaeD posted...

Sultan dont you dare try to slink your way unto me.

I wasn't planning on it.
I exspect more from Han. that vote was weird. And same with the vote from jc earlier was weird as well..

I dont understand them

I find it very odd that both Dumey and Ctes put Crescent on their lists. I understand what Dumey has seen that irked them, but I really don't think that's enough to have Crescent up there, and it absolutely feels like it was natural from Crescent given how standoffish she was to me at the beginning. Ctes needs to just expand that read, straight-up.

htaeD posted...

Okay now you are just full of it
Why the hell would I not think your vote is nonsense?

Because, as has been pointed out already, you as Town strive to understand more than you do react.

"Nonsense" is an incredibly loaded word.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I wasn't planning on it.
I exspect more from Han. that vote was weird. And same with the vote from jc earlier was weird as well..

I dont understand them

Which vote from JC?

The more I see momentum on Death, the less I like it. I feel like Death has become an easy place to just park a vote, and I'm genuinely not sure what this train is even coming from outside of JC's apparent gut.

I also dont even know what you mean with Lea's heatcheck when she admitted she was trolling.

Sure she is right about Chris not making me flinch all the time (I think?) But that does not and should not automatically turn one to the opposite conclusion.

Sheep007 posted...

I find it very odd that both Dumey and Ctes put Crescent on their lists. I understand what Dumey has seen that irked them, but I really don't think that's enough to have Crescent up there, and it absolutely feels like it was natural from Crescent given how standoffish she was to me at the beginning. Ctes needs to just expand that read, straight-up.

More importantly:

Dumey, why isn't MZero on your list?

Because, as has been pointed out already, you as Town strive to understand more than you do react.

And you fail to see how it is impossible to understand, when there is no given logic behind stuff like your vote.

htaeD posted...

I also dont even know what you mean with Lea's heatcheck when she admitted she was trolling.

Sure she is right about Chris not making me flinch all the time (I think?) But that does not and should not automatically turn one to the opposite conclusion.

Can you point to a scum game of yours where you held up to my scrutiny?

Because I have several memories of me folding you like a chair lol

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Interesting why Crescent??

see previous post on last page for context.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Because, as has been pointed out already, you as Town strive to understand more than you do react.

"Nonsense" is an incredibly loaded word.

Which vote from JC?

His vote on death part of his Reads list.

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I was waiting for a little while in hope but just gonna say it - the nerve to comment yet not participate! She wants to know everyone's secrets but is unwilling to tell her own. For shame, woman.

htaeD posted...

And you fail to see how it is impossible to understand, when there is no given logic behind stuff like your vote.

I don't trust Chris, ergo I think his clear of you is false.
I trust Lea, and I think her vote is a good one.
Some people I trust are saying they think JC is Town, so if that was just a bad read, then JC may as well be right.

But "nonsense", that's a loaded Scum freakout word.

SirChris posted...

Can you point to a scum game of yours where you held up to my scrutiny?

Because I have several memories of me folding you like a chair lol

Actually the last example I recall was more me claiming vanilla early that got you to back off from me, and then a day later you suspected me again anyway.
Though I swear I did manage to fool you once, but that was maybe even further back in time.

UltimaterializerX posted...

And by the way?

Yes I can absolutely just exist and youd know my alignment. You have proven it something like 75 times.

Well if you are town try working with me more next time. Because being happy to see me and then not playing much with me day 1 makes the earlier excitement seem highly performative.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

More importantly:

Dumey, why isn't MZero on your list?

What has MZero done to be put on my list? I snidely said part of my reason for putting Ulti there was for OMGUS, but I don't have a problem with him questioning my earlier play. None of his questions seemed to come from scummy intent.