Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 3: Good tea. Nice house.

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Sheep007 posted...

I find it very odd that both Dumey and Ctes put Crescent on their lists. I understand what Dumey has seen that irked them, but I really don't think that's enough to have Crescent up there, and it absolutely feels like it was natural from Crescent given how standoffish she was to me at the beginning. Ctes needs to just expand that read, straight-up.

People who don't know my playstyle wanting to kill me early is pretty par for the course, though at least Dumey did explain why.

I have my three vetos at the moment: Wall, BCT, and Death. The issue with JC before is it felt like he was getting an inordinate amount of pressure, then we realized he wasn't actually getting voted and that pressure was just surface level. Now Death is getting voted (including by someone who pressured JC, then followed JC right onto him), but without any real pressure. The train just exists for no reason I can quantify and it makes me not trust it at all.

Not sure on the murders yet.

Sheep007 posted...

I find it very odd that both Dumey and Ctes put Crescent on their lists. I understand what Dumey has seen that irked them, but I really don't think that's enough to have Crescent up there, and it absolutely feels like it was natural from Crescent given how standoffish she was to me at the beginning. Ctes needs to just expand that read, straight-up.

Eh, first of all I was asked to get to three. I found it odd earlier that Crescent said she couldn't get a read on me whatsoever yet her approach to this was seemingly not looking back or trying to ask me anything but instead ask Chris. That could be getting attention somewhere without actually trying to solve anything. But it could also just be true, she'd hardly just be the first, and just not having the time. Otherwise I would have brought it up.

And yes, Death did the same thing, it was actually in response to him Crescent said it. But while I have never played with Crescent before, I at least don't see the Death I was scum with some games back here, so she got the third spot.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't trust Chris, ergo I think his clear of you is false.
I trust Lea, and I think her vote is a good one.
Some people I trust are saying they think JC is Town, so if that was just a bad read, then JC may as well be right.

But "nonsense", that's a loaded Scum freakout word.

You do realize a clear from someone you dont trust can also just be scum clearing town to get in their good graces?
And you using Lea's troll vote to prop up your own is even worse.
Lea not liking Chris unvoting is one thing. You using it as a springboard is another.

Nonsense is a word anyone can use
Nonsense Nonsense Nonsense

Crescent-Moon posted...

People who don't know my playstyle wanting to kill me early is pretty par for the course, though at least Dumey did explain why.

I have my three vetos at the moment: Wall, BCT, and Death. The issue with JC before is it felt like he was getting an inordinate amount of pressure, then we realized he wasn't actually getting voted and that pressure was just surface level. Now Death is getting voted (including by someone who pressured JC, then followed JC right onto him), but without any real pressure. The train just exists for no reason I can quantify and it makes me not trust it at all.

Not sure on the murders yet.

I do like your game so far, but I would like to have the info out there regardless, please. I doubt that all ten of the remaining players are on the same level of suspicion for you?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

His vote on death part of his Reads list.

Ah right.

Look, Sultan, I agreed with you on JC that whole time, but frankly, I'm moving my vote because people I like are saying not to vote him and nobody else is looking his way anyway, and I'd rather get some action happening than sit here waiting for someone else to agree with us on JC.

I was wrong a lot last game. I'd rather accept that I can be wrong and lend my sword to someone who was good on D1 reads last game.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Me/you/Lea/Death power dream team for town. If two of you grow a pair we could just lynch Chris day one instead of waiting so why not.

I'm not voting Chris and tbh if I didn't move my vote onto Death it'd be moved onto you.

Crescent-Moon posted...

(including by someone who pressured JC, then followed JC right onto him), but without any real pressure. The train just exists for no reason I can quantify and it makes me not trust it at all.

So you think Han was busing JC? Or am I off

UltimaterializerX posted...

lol

Find me a bunch of my scum games where I have:

-not feared you day one
-not reacted to you voting for me
-openly sus you and vote for you
-not followed your reads like a parrot

If all it takes for you to sus people is not blindly following you, then Im sorry but that isnt good town play.

You are twisting my words violently here.

I expected more participation and interaction. That is not the same as asking you to blindly follow me. You should really know better.

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No.

But if this is where we're going then I'm going to do the responsible thing and put my phone down for the rest of the day.

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Roll eyes

Anyway I think I missed something, and I still want to look at some players but for now this is how I feel

Kill: JC, Sheep, dumey (Of course now I am tempted to throw Han instead of Sheep on here, but his stuff is too recent and I need to process it)
Veto: Crescent, Sultan, Walls

Ctes is also here now and making sense, but I cant shake the paranoid feeling that he just wants to look nice to me.

htaeD posted...

Anyway I think I missed something, and I still want to look at some players but for now this is how I feel

Kill: JC, Sheep, dumey (Of course now I am tempted to throw Han instead of Sheep on here, but his stuff is too recent and I need to process it)
Veto: Crescent, Sultan, Walls

Ctes is also here now and making sense, but I cant shake the paranoid feeling that he just wants to look nice to me.

Is there anything in particular that made Sultan hit your veto list, or just general vibe?

Lea other than whimsy why is your vote upon my person?

Scum can get pretty riled about being voted for "wrong" reasons, so it's noble trolling I promise. Pretend you had zero votes so you don't need to exclusively defend yourself, who is scum?

Thats a fine statement. Its just that a vote like yours I can see townLea doing.
A vote like Hans is just making him look worse.

Oh and I guess I answered your question already. But I dont feel satisfied with it anyway, so I will do some more reading

You know what
I'm going to follow Ulti on this one. I was worried I was on the same wave length but Ulti knows Chris better than most

##unvote
##vote:Chris

##Vote: Lea

Thought this over a little, but I'm actually pretty comfortable with it. Three votes on people I like (or know) as Town and with minimal fire behind them. Let's tango.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

You know what
I'm going to follow Ulti on this one. I was worried I was on the same wave length but Ulti knows Chris better than most

##unvote
##vote:Chris

2/3 of the people I am ok with killing are voting me

Surely this is unrelated

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How did I even scorn you tho

Although I will say Sultan voting me is a like a nice warm familiar fire from him. Comforting in a way.

I'm actually going slightly the opposite way and am concerned that Sultan is voting you now in response to you calling him out for his lack of nibbling.

Not that I agree with a Chriskilling directive
(Mostly because I havent been able to keep up with the Chris VS Ulti VS Han talk at all)

But I do also like Sultan making that leap.

UltimaterializerX posted...

It was the listing me scum when there is a literal zero percent chance he honestly believes it. Its an absolute end of day setup to special me for a mislynch when I wont even be here. Fuck that.

I enjoy the premise that you think I need a setup to murder you as either alignment, ulti.

This isn't the first time as town I have voiced early suspicion of you. This feels very outlandish tbh

I feel good about Lea and Sultan.

I don't feel good about Ulti and Chris.

I feel more confident in voting Death now, I think.

Also, I felt good about Crescent the entire day but this topic in particular I don't think she's tracked.

Given the context that Sultan vote is pretty null.

Hey Death

What would it take to get you to join me on Lea? I've still got the ISO lined up in my schedule and I'm wondering who'd be willing to climb aboard.

Sheep007 posted...

I'm actually going slightly the opposite way and am concerned that Sultan is voting you now in response to you calling him out for his lack of nibbling.

Feels like a big hero play for scum Sultan but maybe he's got his big boy boots on.

Todays lynch timing is terrible for me, I might get an hour midday to catch up from last night and share some more thoughts but Im only going to be confidently free 15-20 minutes before day end.

Will try to be around if I can be just a busy day and bad time zone unfortunately.

Acknowledging its not ideal for me to not be around, Im just going to be direct now and say that if I show up with 20 minutes left in the day and Im being forced to claim because of my list and absence, I wont be claiming because I wont have had a chance to read through the day and actually address or defend myself.

I think the case on me so far (at least to where I was last night) is incredibly weak, low hanging fruit for bad town and scum to grasp at, and Im not going to reward bad play. People should watch carefully for anyone who tries to leave me in a claim or die situation when I am being very forthcoming about my schedule and limitations.

Ill leave my vote on death for now, you all can decide whether hes sus enough since I wont be here to demand or respond to a claim live.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, I felt good about Crescent the entire day but this topic in particular I don't think she's tracked.

I don't think this topic has been particularly strong from her like the other two, but is there anything that stands out to you?

Crescent has infinite vibes from me tbh

Sheep007 posted...

Hey Death

What would it take to get you to join me on Lea? I've still got the ISO lined up in my schedule and I'm wondering who'd be willing to climb aboard.

Why do you need support to release an ISO is my question in return.

SirChris posted...

Feels like a big hero play for scum Sultan but maybe he's got his big boy boots on.

Sultan is a big boy now. He's probably still scared of Chris but I don't think it's so much he wouldn't engage, and the fact that it took prompting for him to do up his velcro concerns me.

Sheep007 posted...

Sultan is a big boy now. He's probably still scared of Chris but I don't think it's so much he wouldn't engage, and the fact that it took prompting for him to do up his velcro concerns me.

True but do you think scum just pile onto me here?

htaeD posted...

Why do you need support to release an ISO is my question in return.

oh I don't need support for the ISO (though it would be much appreciated!), I just need support for the vote, especially if I find something juicy.

Sheep007 posted...

I do like your game so far, but I would like to have the info out there regardless, please. I doubt that all ten of the remaining players are on the same level of suspicion for you?

See I want to murder Han but I want to murder Han most of the time. You kind of just... Totally owning up to being a limp noodle when I pressured you about it actually made me feel somewhat better about you.

Oh and I don't have any interest in pursuing an Ulti lynch today either so I guess I have more than 3 vetoes. Not really interested in Chris, either. Chris and I misreading the JC pressure basically the same way at the same time gave me townvibes because it felt like us both jumping to the same, incorrect conclusion. I feel like that's more likely to happen if he is also town because we seemed to see it through the same lens.

Basically I'm marking off people I don't want to lynch yay townhunting.

Side note: Not sure scum Dumey risks picking a fight with me when he's had some manner of pressure all day. I feel like the last thing he'd want is to potentially aggro me. I've been a bit suspicious at how many people have called me town today, and Sultan is the one who's done it that I trust the least. I don't remember whether or not he always buddies up to me regardless.

I wouldn't be opposed to pressure on Han, Sultan, MZero at the moment (though MZero kinda totally feels like a copout that would provide us very little). I wouldn't be entirelyopposed to momentum on Dumey because he's never been under any sort of real pressure despite all the attention he got at the start. I don't really have anything at all to say about Ctes, JC, or Lea at the moment. They exist. I would need a compelling argument to go either way with them at this point.

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Woah I didn't even notice she hasn't voted anyone. I had her pretty solidly town for her aggressive behavior but she hasn't voted yet that goes against it a little.
A Hiss but no bite.

Idk if that changes a whole whole lot but glad you pointed that out

Sheep007 posted...

I don't think this topic has been particularly strong from her like the other two, but is there anything that stands out to you?

Without being able to easily go back and read and formulate thoughts, it sort of feels like she's along for the ride on a lot of angles, and I can't really say her points have felt logical