Board 8 > Tekken Mafia Topic 8 - Heihachi Mishima is dead

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Honestly I think Peaf got himself shot
Or at least scanned early by Wallz' role for how he reacted to Ulti and the whole '3 scum sbell' moment.

T2 264

htaeD posted...

I am leaning town on HB because he seems to be more reckless with his opinions than I think he would be as scum.

First mention of HB by death. Kind of an odd reason to think he is town.

T3 131
Peace___Frog posted...

Ulti/death/hb/kirby/? Pack it up folks

Is Peaf putting his entire team on his suspicion list here?

I suppose its possible but is this team just going all out bussing?

T4 10

Peace___Frog posted...

I like the votes on kirby.

##Vote: kirby

I also want to keep plum and hb in the conversation.

So this team is just bussing.

Hmm Maybe need a new strategy here

Actually wait, why did peaf drop death off his list and add me to it there?

That's strange. Hold on

I think he mentioned my name again a while later.
At the very least I specifically recall that as something that I should have paid more attention to in hindsight. Townpeaf always suspects me, so now it just looks to me like he forced himself to repeat that pattern.

Yeah I don't know.

Bleh. Time for work.

Just checked topic4 and I was right.
You will never guess what happened to HB being on his list either, lol

Oh in that case I will just quote it

So yeah after some votal review i think Kirby is scum and there could also be one scum in Wallz, death, or Abacus. Maaaaaybe two, but I refuse to believe it could be 3.

This is just part of the post, and he justified his re-assessment through the votal analysis.

He did nail the other scumteam here well at least.
I guess when you can actually hunt scum you dont have to keep bussing a teammate.

htaeD posted...

I guess when you can actually hunt scum you dont have to keep bussing a teammate.

Uh...

So Peaf was bussing a teammate?

I was talking about HB there, Plum

(as in, Peaf started out the day sorta bussing HB. Based on that post you quoted.
Then dropped HB as soon as he found targets that werent on his team)

Peaf said:

Of the claimed vanillas, my lynch preference is kirby > wallz > abacus > death > igcd > lea > me.

Possibly relevant, he spoke highly of Lea a lot already tho so he had to stay in character anyway.

Lea's only interaction with Peaf day2 was calling him out for dropping the Kirbyvote. But that is at least an interaction that makes her look good.

Red called Peaf questionable for his Ulti interactions. Red also wanted players like me to tell him what they thought of Peaf, so he was not too quiet about him. I still wish he posted more day2 tho.
(...Maybe I should have started with reading day1)
In turn Peaf kinda weakly and indirectly suspected Red for being weaker on day2, and only after Lopen brought him up. Peaf was rather quick correct the idea that people thought he was leaving Red (and Abacus/HB) off his radar intentionally by focusing on nillas only. Curious but not very condemning.

IGCD is a void here in both directions.

I am tempted to policy lynch IGCD here yeah

One of my next steps was going to be to look to see if Lea was actually trying to get HB lynched and then it occurred to me that if that is the standard IGCD hasn't tried since D1

If he is town then he is going to be a pain in the ass at final 4 because scum sure isn't killing him tonight and he absolutely has nothing going for him to indicate he isn't scum.

Oh, I suppose it can't really get to a final 4 of IGCD unless IGCD is scum or Red is scum

Hmm Hmm

masterplum posted...

I am tempted to policy lynch IGCD here yeah

One of my next steps was going to be to look to see if Lea was actually trying to get HB lynched and then it occurred to me that if that is the standard IGCD hasn't tried since D1

If he is town then he is going to be a pain in the ass at final 4 because scum sure isn't killing him tonight and he absolutely has nothing going for him to indicate he isn't scum.

I sincerely support lynching me today if we aren't going to hit scum. Having more players with more content in the final 4 is going to be better for town than hanging their hopes on me.

Oh I just assumed your vote on me was more process of elimination, plus you already mentioned you wouldn't have minded my lynch a while now.

Also cant argue that I did like HB day1 and that I just dont like lynching unclaimeds.
Characterizing me as someone who likes to end days early is unfair tho when in both cases the majority wanted to end those days early as well.

Still, I thank you for giving me more ways to look at the setup.

I never said you were off the table. You're just the one the least on my table. If that makes sense.

I am also going to be honest and say part of me calling you the best looking of the nillas is me trying to get scum to just shoot you. <.<

Also I never had a principle that was against ending the day early... or claiming early
(allthough I may have rarely done it in the past without being aware of it I guess)

Still I dont see it as similar to lynching someone who is not around and cannot claim. So no I dont cede to that.

We dont know that they shot into protection, do we?
They could also just have not shot at all.

No clue.
I asked on the off chance you slipped about something we wouldn't know and did not have an adequate explanation ready.

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It made Mzero look bad I guess?

But killing abacus after letting Mzero live is super weird to me. Feels like either the scan means nothing and you leave abacus alive or the scan matters and you shoot mzero

Idk

Scum is going to plan on no killing at 4 anyways so it didnt really hurt them

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Oh, yeah I think that is what happened gotcha

Remember when these had Tekken references?
[1] Death - Lea
[1] Red - IGCD

I can think of a very, very easy reason why nobody shot. If it comes down to an odd number at day, then it assures town's victory. Scum is trying to force a stalemate.

I will take a stalemate because the idea that everyone ties but 3 people is hilarious to me

Even so its still at least likely that they did shoot just to see if they could bypass Plum for a night

If for some reason their shot had worked, they could always choose to not kill later if they did want even numbers during the day.

Oh and I didn't know that rule was even a thing.
I've been in too many games where we stalemated for what seemed to last forever, and there never was a consensus on who has to cut the knot first.

My personal advice has always been after 3 NL/NK that host removes NL as an option(and a tie after duration either results in an extra free scum kill or just a scum win).

My mind is definitely leadnng IGCD. But part of it is definitely just some bias to hating his day of choosing to be literal sheep with his votes, intentionally not really putting himself in front of anything. I dont know exactly how to read that now and I hate it.

Yeah IGCDs one sole claim to fame is his HB vote that he almost immediately went back on anyway

Peaf also only mentioned IGCD like once if my ISO is correct, and he called him town day1 in the same breath as Red, so that does not narrow it down any for me.

Lol

Sadly I am too boring to come up with a nongame question

So instead I will ask you: did you believe Dumey's claim at all?

That is true. Just wondered if it was the Heihachi flip that made you vote Dumey though from the sound of it that mostly just served as support.

Makes me wish Isquen had saved his result just so I could know how Red and IGCD would have treated Dumey beforehand.

That said EDumey did come out swinging against Red day4, and I dont know if Dumey knew his number was up.

I suppose leaving a townBP for a final 4 would be a hilarious situation to put the final scum in.
Though part of me has started to wonder if us building up to that idea was Reds intention all along since he claimed after most other powers did.

Planning to set myself up as a lone wolf in that situation would be fucking stupid.

Probably
Setting up yourself by bussing scumChris it aint.

Anyway, I've been paranoid about plum. But thinking about it harder. Strongman doesn't bypass death delayer.

While bypassing a couple(possibly 3, but I'm not assuming another bp, think host would be more creative) means it isn't worthless, i think having to trade out 1 antitown for a strongman means its intended game use would be to take out a scanner(since we can assume up to 3). That strongman is too weak a reward without justifying being useful to kill power.

So I dont like it. I dont like how plum has played. I dont think hes even felt particularly towny for a few days. But all game circumstances point to him being town and the logical part of my brain is willing to die on that hill. If its a bad host trap that we fell in too deep, well fuck, I'm not going to cry about it.

Like, I'm not going to completely not bus my own guys when I'm scum. But I'm also the guy that prefers "fuck it that town is -1 I'm going to hammer and argue my way out of it later" mentality. Its not exactly similar situations but my mentality is fuck town and sort it out later. I dont throw bones to town because i like logic and logic says your best chance to win is keep alive your most odds of winning.

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Just requires being some sort of godfather scanner. I know you would, from a completely neutral standpoint, be a scan target for my team if i wasn't killing you(i will, til your bias towards me is proven to no longer be present, absolutely still just off you night 1).

But it is too many circumstances to think about lining up in this game. If they did line up I'm not losing any sleep over this game somehow being a loss because of it.

I dont think red is scum

that would mean that he and Dumey both claimed BP at basically the same time?

The only way this possibly works is if Red is planning on bussing Dumey and wining in the final 4 because he immediately undercut Dumeys claim

Again, I guess??

That is the other thought in my braint hat i dont think i put on paper that was rolling in my head as i was sleeping in my car.

G corp already had a role thief. That is functionally a scanner in my brain. So it gives even less credence to a scum plum targeting a lea.

For the record I would never ever scan Lea there because I would assume the other team would shoot her and it would be a waste of a scan.

I would have scanned IGCD or Abacus