Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 2: Mono Got Atari

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Player List

1) Peace___Frog
2) UltimaterializerX
3) htaeD
4) MZero
5) Corrik7
6) wallmasterz
7) ctesjbuvf
8) Obellisk
9) BlueCrystalTear
10) EDumey
11) Leafeon13N
12) TheSultanOfSlam
13) Lea
14) Lopen
15) UnderUrMattress

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at 7pm EST, in a little under 14 hours.

Votals that were very clearly compiled the minute I woke up

[4] Sultan - (BCT), (Lopen), MZero, Ulti, Lopen, Wallz
[1] Death - Peaf, (Lopen), (Marth), (Wallz)
[1] Peaf - BCT
[1] Lea - Dumey
[1] Ulti - (Lopen), (Sultan), (Marth), Marth
[1] MZero - Sultan, (Lopen)
[0] Lopen - (Wallz)
[0] Red - (Dumey), (SBell)
[0] Dumey - (Marth)
[0] Sbell - (Dumey)
[0] Wallz - (Lopen)
[0] BCT - (Sultan)

(You missed a vote change, pssst)

Ninja'd by an edit

I unvoted and voted for Sultan. Sbell plans to vote for Sultan when red is ready to hammer. Here, please enjoy a free partially complete sultan iso (minus some posts before 1.183 and a fake dayvig on Lopen, I think I got the rest)

All of his first posts were about reds claim, mostly asking things like everyone believes reds claim right and joke voting + responding to early votes.

#? You can play games on Ipods? I guess that's why it's a miller right? (Wall note: great content here /s)

#? Only way red is scum hammerer is if his power is super powerful and it doesn't matter if he gets Murdered the following day or not I guess?

1.183 - Said this about his flavor unprompted: Mine [flavor] doesn't really [fit either] other than a weird story about sheep's home town and that is how it kind of relates

1.207 - I'm assuming mzero "day coping" me scum was a joke. Surprised no one asked Mzero more about this "scan"

1.354 - Ulti isn't fully reading again I see.

1.356 - lopen is really trying to be opportunistic while trying to help red gain his power. It's a free lynch for scum if we rush it the way he wants us to

1.414 - [Lopen suspicion] My read on you hasn't changed much I don't have solid proof youre scum but I still have a gut feeling you're off and scummy.

Red based on roles is still kind of confusing beacuse I see no beinift for either alignment to claim it.

Red reaction wise I can understand why they thought I was towny cuz mt track record of weird shit is well pretty common.

I feel like you're now just trying to push me beacuse I called you scum.

1.424 - How would I know you're town? And you're wrong beacuse I'm town. But ofcourse you're not going to beleive that. No matter what I say.

So whatever.

Death no worries on the delays on your part due to being at work and apologies for the whiplash lol. It was due to me being ninjad by you and then me deciding to re-read t1 since Ill be busy for the rest of day and will just be keeping up with new posts and limited responding

Oh sheep, you can take my vote off Lopen

Heres a plan. If we get two more votes on Sultan lets have sbell cast vote 7 and red hammer. Dont need any bs where someone says oh I didnt see xyzs vote

Sorry for all the posts but leaving this here before I stfu

1.207 - I'm assuming mzero "day coping" me scum was a joke. Surprised no one asked Mzero more about this "scan"

Why would sultan need to assume mzero declaring him scum on a day cop scan was a joke. Town sultan would know it was a joke

I mean you bring up some decent points, especially that last bit is a juicy question for Sultan to answer to.

Tho...why Sbell specifically for the second to last vote?

Sbell mentioned hed vote Sultan once red is ready to hammer. Seems like a good plan to have someone other than red who is prepared to vote sultan agreed upon, and sbell is (I believe) the only person who has confirmed theyll vote sultan but not actually dropped the vote yet

Also death youre passing the vibe check again. I think Im just getting used to your posting style. Ill leave ya alone lol

Well thanks
I guess?

I'd vibecheck you back if I could, but I never did get a good read on you in past games either.

I will say Sultan had done enough by that point to potentially trigger Mzero's radar
Wallz ISO didnt mention it, but Sultan saying he might regret voting Ulti at least raises my eyebrows.

In the mean time let me get back to an unfinished topic. Ulti, what do you think of me?

I know I'm not exactly known for being active day 1 regardless, but I am pretty sick atm (tested negative for COVID though so yay)

Loving the Sultan votes

I'm caught up.

To whoeever asked if Sultan was in Dota 2 mafia, unlike what was answered a few posts later, the answer is yes, he was, he was scum and got lynched day 1.

UnderUrMattress posted...

@ctesjbuvf how sure are you that MZero is town?

Uhh, what? Like, I barely have a read. If this is because I said I agreed with his points the most from the like two pages that were there when I first posted, then that's definitely barely a tell. Often enough scum is more logical and town makes no sense, so it's hardly that important. This is a weird thing to ask.

Hm, in the most recent game we both played here, Sultan was scum partially guided by Chris, and I was one of very few people if not like the only one that actually suspected him (because of my lack of history with Chris, Chris insisted). I'd actually lean town from some of the posts here, but I felt like his scum abilities were being underestimated heavily last time.

Posts like "I'm assuming mzero "day coping" me scum was a joke. Surprised no one asked Mzero more about this "scan"". Like, writing saying he assumes a scum scan on him was fake when if town he would know it is exactly the kind of post where I'd think that there's no way he says something like that if actually scum but he faked a decent bit of posts like that last time, maybe even went overboard, so it's apparently within his scum game to fake such thing and therefore I'll be a bit more careful working like that.

But I must admit I don't completely understand the train. I too thought Lopen looked too oppourtunistic about the red thing, one of my first reactions yesterday, so at that point I was fully with him. Some of his reactions to the votes doesn't sit as well as that, but I wasn't convinced catching up.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh if he was in that game then hes scum here. The reason the first post I quoted makes no sense from him is because it doesnt track with Reds role or behavior in that game, and Sultan was his scum teammate.

Sorry for perhaps being slow, but I don't quite follow. Because Sultan seemingly didn't remember the game correctly where they were scum together, Sultan must be scum?

ctesjbuvf posted...

But I must admit I don't completely understand the train. I too thought Lopen looked too oppourtunistic about the red thing, one of my first reactions yesterday, so at that point I was fully with him. Some of his reactions to the votes doesn't sit as well as that, but I wasn't convinced catching up.

The problem is Sultan followed Lopen onto Ulti at the beginning when Lopen was actually suggesting hammering as quickly as possible, but then accused Lopen of being opportunistic much later when Lopen had backed off that stance long before. Then he backtracked it minutes later as fishing for reactions.

Everytime I read a "it would be nice to hear more from x" is kinda rubs me the wrong way. Wallz does this a lot. It reads as if posting to try to seem like you're doing stuff while you're actually doing absolutely nothing. It's fluff. Then x posts something and it's "now I would like to hear more from y". Little consideration of what they post both before and after, so then why would you ask for it if not for making posts for the sake of making posts? I know I hosted and probably should know, but did Wallz do this last game as scum?

MZero posted...

The problem is Sultan followed Lopen onto Ulti at the beginning when Lopen was actually suggesting hammering as quickly as possible, but then accused Lopen of being opportunistic much later when Lopen had backed off that stance long before. Then he backtracked it minutes later as fishing for reactions.

Oh somehow I missed or forgot he followed Lopen earlier. Hm. But I thought what he talked about with fishing for reactions was that he said he a specific reason he wouldn't share for being on Lopen. Not that he was following Lopen for reactions?

Im sure I did do it last game as scum, but I dont think(?) its an indicator for me. As scum I at least am not consciously doing that for the sake of content. Although by contrast this game, iirc, the only time Ive said it was saying it would be nice for ulti and Corrik to post since they hadnt chimed in at all yet. And when someone else said theyd like to hear more from Lea I pointed out she expressed uncertainty about participating due to being busy irl, so maybe youre onto something here ctes

Well I am just curious then why you called me bad earlier, Ulti.

Though I am more curious what you think of Sultan now that your answer has been correctly answered.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I'm caught up.

To whoeever asked if Sultan was in Dota 2 mafia, unlike what was answered a few posts later, the answer is yes, he was, he was scum and got lynched day 1.

That was me. And for some reason I completely didnt see his name on the list of dead players. My bad.

Oh and I see you did answer that too. Well just the first curiosity then.

Posts like "I'm assuming mzero "day coping" me scum was a joke. Surprised no one asked Mzero more about this "scan"". Like, writing saying he assumes a scum scan on him was fake when if town he would know it is exactly the kind of post where I'd think that there's no way he says something like that if actually scum but he faked a decent bit of posts like that last time, maybe even went overboard, so it's apparently within his scum game to fake such thing and therefore I'll be a bit more careful working like that.

Sultan could be town but hes acted questionably enough its worth the lynch imo. If theres no slam dunk lynch d1 I feel its better to follow the smoke and maybe more often than not we find fire. This applied last game you hosted with ulti and myself not quite seeming right to everyone else. A few people shrugged it off (I remember Lopen having a town read on me as town despite it being our first game together) but enough people stuck with it and were right.

Sultan also hasnt really done much to advance the game or help town. Mostly just commenting on peoples claims (oh I didnt know you could play games on iPods) until his weird 30 minute reaction seeking exercise. His latest contribution is saying Lopen is scum but he cant put his finger on why. I dunno, just feels like a weird game from him.

Sultan has anyone haymakered you in the head recently

wallmasterz posted...

Im sure I did do it last game as scum, but I dont think(?) its an indicator for me. As scum I at least am not consciously doing that for the sake of content. Although by contrast this game, iirc, the only time Ive said it was saying it would be nice for ulti and Corrik to post since they hadnt chimed in at all yet. And when someone else said theyd like to hear more from Lea I pointed out she expressed uncertainty about participating due to being busy irl, so maybe youre onto something here ctes

I suppose it was unfair to mention you only and not exactly make notes about it as I went. I think Dumey did as well, but with him I could at least recall a lot of contributions beyond this as well. This is as far as my memory serves me on this, but I don't think this is a good lead to follow anyway. Though just for the sake of the point, saying "it would be nice to see x and y post" has exactly the same value to me as saying "it sure would be nice to lynch scum instead of town".

I always thought of it as a nice way of saying this person is not super active and I wish I had some content so I could engage and make a read

As you very well know ctes, we had two scum teams during tekken. So even then Im pretty sure when I said it, I was genuinely wanting to hear from people to gauge if they were G Corp. Its fair to say though its maybe different in a game with a single scum team, but even then I dunno I think its reasonable to call out someones lack of posts that way

Most people haven't done anything to advance the game to be fair. But MZero's point was good (or whoever made it first, not trying to discredit).

Sultan, you can also answer this yourself.

ctesjbuvf posted...

But I thought what he talked about with fishing for reactions was that he said he a specific reason he wouldn't share for being on Lopen. Not that he was following Lopen for reactions?

And if I'm correct, why did you then follow onto Lopen if he was too opportunistic?

wallmasterz posted...

weird 30 minute reaction seeking exercise

I mean it was 3 hours.

I could have waited longer but either way it was gonna make me look bad. People were already questioning why I wouldn't just come out with what I have on lopen.

You may think I've contributed nothing but I got a pretty decent town list out of it.

Sbell
Dumey
Walls
Based off all of the new things as well Ctes looks pretty good
Town Lean on red

This is nothing to yall fine kill me now im not going to bother claiming at this junction either

red13n posted...

I was definitely fake-hammerer in a town game though

I was thinking this game beacuse if I remember correctly Red made it super obvious he was "Hammerer" in this game when he was not.

Yes I was in Dota 2 with red but like he hid it alot better

If you were wondering I mentioned this litterally right off the bat but I guess picking and choosing posts is ultis fortay

Also I'd like to mention Lea hates being town and is rather inactive soo maybe a town tell? Or she's just super busy

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I mean it was 3 hours.

I could have waited longer but either way it was gonna make me look bad. People were already questioning why I wouldn't just come out with what I have on lopen.

You may think I've contributed nothing but I got a pretty decent town list out of it.

Sbell
Dumey
Walls
Based off all of the new things as well Ctes looks pretty good
Town Lean on red

This is nothing to yall fine kill me now im not going to bother claiming at this junction either

Sultan I genuinely mean no offense but a town lean on the uncountered cop claim doesnt exactly change my mind

1.207 - I'm assuming mzero "day coping" me scum was a joke. Surprised no one asked Mzero more about this "scan"

^ Help me understand what this could be other than a scum slip

wallmasterz posted...

Sorry for all the posts but leaving this here before I stfu

1.207 - I'm assuming mzero "day coping" me scum was a joke. Surprised no one asked Mzero more about this "scan"

Why would sultan need to assume mzero declaring him scum on a day cop scan was a joke. Town sultan would know it was a joke

Maybe beacuse it seemed outta character for Mzero to make this kind of a joke and I was like wait what am I the only one who sees this weird day cop claim. That was obviously a joke beacuse I wouldn't scan guilty.

Sultan if you are town then you help nothing and no-one with this selfpity act, as tempting as it might be.

You had something to say, you should say it.

wallmasterz posted...

Sultan I genuinely mean no offense but a town lean on the uncountered cop claim doesnt exactly change my mind

1. It's an "earned cop" so why would a full cop if there is one claim?
2. Red could still be lying to look towny ish.
3. Town could have other investigative roles that aren't cop and red earning his cop scan isn't all that much of an advatange

Also not to mention when Mzero made that claim it was already after red claimed and joke phase was over

The way red explained it I thought he was a cop already and gets a power on top of that

And point 3 is ridiculous
A copscan is always an advantage

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

3. Town could have other investigative roles that aren't cop and red earning his cop scan isn't all that much of an advatange

so i am not a miller or my miller-ness is a red herring?

1.259 I am actually town cop i get a permanent power up on hammer thanks for nothing.

wallmasterz posted...

1.259 I am actually town cop i get a permanent power up on hammer thanks for nothing.

Yeah totally read that wrong

Oh well kill me now

##vote:Sultan

I added the word the in My head..

Leafeon13N posted...

I am actually town cop i get the (instead of a) permanent power up on hammer thanks for nothing.

Sultan I know you like to moan as town, but you have also come back from worse as town.
Please answer my question about what you meant with 'you had other reasons' to vote Lopen.

Obellisk posted...

so i am not a miller or my miller-ness is a red herring?

To be fair if you are a miller, Reds role is the last one to get an advantage from it

In either sernweio the fake one I made in my head he had to earn the scan or the one where he actually is a cop who can get a power up. Sbells Miller status doesn't mean much either way it is still a way to fuck with said scan

##unvote

Also I still no idea if I ever unvoted my 1st vote to begin with.

Sheep conveniently posted some votals at the start of this new thread

Remember that self votes are against the rules, added in after the start of the game.

Hey bct, we've got almost 10 full pages of new content since you voted me for calling your page 1 content somewhat suspect. It doesn't show in the votals, but your vote is essentially a "no u" vote. A lot has happened since then, and i don't think you even weighed in on red at all during the time since your vote on me. Talk to me, pal.

I am content with a Sultan lynch and with the plan as outlined by wallz.

Okay so yeah my vote was still on MZero lol.

Okay