Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 9: Square Eyes

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Edumey, if you want homework I do have some for you.

Final Votals
[6] Chris - MZero, Ulti, (Wallz), SBell, (Corrik), (Corrik), (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Sultan), (Wallz), Sultan, Ctes, (Wallz), Corrik
[4] Ctes - Peaf, Chris, (Marth), Dumey, (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Wallz), Wallz
[0] MZero - (Sultan), (Dumey), (Marth)
[0] SBell - (Ulti)
[0] Peaf - (Wallz)

Was Marth trying to suggest a counter lynch here? This is obviously a scum-scum lynch.

So was anyone trying to derail it

ctesjbuvf posted...

You realize I said the simple thing because you were saying game is that simple but what you're presenting builds on some absurd suggestions of what I would be.

There is nothing absurd. You are scum. I could care less about anything else about your role besides whether it's godfather or not.

To downplay ridiculous roles after an untargetable roleblocker for scum tho is silly.

Especially when peaf died on a commuter night. And there is no way for scum to have gotten through that.

Wallz made arguments that his experience with SBell both from what he's heard from others, and playing scum with SBell in MAD Mafia, is that SBell busses like a motherfucker, and cannot help commenting on scum buddies when they make mistakes in topic.

There were multiple examples of this when SBell butted heads a little bit with Lopen D1 that could be an indication of this. Things like when SBell and Lopen went back and forth about his Miller claim, or SBell made specific mention of how MZero and Wallz didn't want to believe in a scum Lopen.

Topic 3, Marth makes a comment about Chris looking good for defending both Sultan and Death, and SBell provides the counterargument that he's scum because he would purposely look good defending town. Continues to imply Chris is scum, and Chris even comments that SBell is traumatized by him.

Day 2, SBell doesn't post much and "admits" to not being present much when Lopen got caught and lynched. Only comes in to say that people suspecting SBell for being Miller with a confirmed Cop look bad. Lopen also mentions SBell directly saying that SBell must be scum because Lopen is the "miller" in the setup.

SIDENOTE: Wallz found that Chris was the first to bring up Mafia Backup in Topic 5, what a surprise.

Wallz wasn't sure, but he believe the first person to really bring up and argue the "Chris No Killed to set up his Protection claim" was SBell once again. There was scum motive to have the lynch swing from Ctes to Chris because he was spent Strongman, so SBell putting up one of the primary arguments to lynch Chris unfortunately has scum equity here.

And then Wallz also thought SBell joking about Peaf not having a vest to save him came off as scum gloating when they may have been targetting Peaf since D1 with roleblocks/kills.

The last important part of Wallz ISO was a votals analysis. SBell voted BCT and Death early, didn't vote Lopen when he was caught, was very vocal about lynching Chris over Ctes, and didn't take a strong stance or vote on Sultan/Ctes. SBell looks like the one that has most "protected" Ctes in this game.

So Wallz final analysis was lynch Ctes, and if he's scum like we expect, lynch SBell next.

Corrik7 posted...

Sbell is literally no point looking at right now. If Ctes flips not godfather, the last scum is godfather and sbell isn't claiming miller as godfather.

We literally have a paint by numbers in front of us. It just requires not being bad.

Ctes comes first, but Wallz just died, so I'm performing my role function of relaying his work to everyone.

Corrik7 posted...

Edumey, if you want homework I do have some for you.

Final Votals
[6] Chris - MZero, Ulti, (Wallz), SBell, (Corrik), (Corrik), (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Sultan), (Wallz), Sultan, Ctes, (Wallz), Corrik
[4] Ctes - Peaf, Chris, (Marth), Dumey, (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Wallz), Wallz
[0] MZero - (Sultan), (Dumey), (Marth)
[0] SBell - (Ulti)
[0] Peaf - (Wallz)

Was Marth trying to suggest a counter lynch here? This is obviously a scum-scum lynch.

So was anyone trying to derail it

As just outlined in the Wall post above (haha get it), I think scum had a vested interest in lynching Chris before Ctes. Not sure that Marth abstaining from voting is anything that triggers my senses immediately.

EDumey posted...

Wallz made arguments that his experience with SBell both from what he's heard from others, and playing scum with SBell in MAD Mafia, is that SBell busses like a motherfucker, and cannot help commenting on scum buddies when they make mistakes in topic.

There were multiple examples of this when SBell butted heads a little bit with Lopen D1 that could be an indication of this. Things like when SBell and Lopen went back and forth about his Miller claim, or SBell made specific mention of how MZero and Wallz didn't want to believe in a scum Lopen.

Topic 3, Marth makes a comment about Chris looking good for defending both Sultan and Death, and SBell provides the counterargument that he's scum because he would purposely look good defending town. Continues to imply Chris is scum, and Chris even comments that SBell is traumatized by him.

Day 2, SBell doesn't post much and "admits" to not being present much when Lopen got caught and lynched. Only comes in to say that people suspecting SBell for being Miller with a confirmed Cop look bad. Lopen also mentions SBell directly saying that SBell must be scum because Lopen is the "miller" in the setup.

SIDENOTE: Wallz found that Chris was the first to bring up Mafia Backup in Topic 5, what a surprise.

Wallz wasn't sure, but he believe the first person to really bring up and argue the "Chris No Killed to set up his Protection claim" was SBell once again. There was scum motive to have the lynch swing from Ctes to Chris because he was spent Strongman, so SBell putting up one of the primary arguments to lynch Chris unfortunately has scum equity here.

And then Wallz also thought SBell joking about Peaf not having a vest to save him came off as scum gloating when they may have been targetting Peaf since D1 with roleblocks/kills.

The last important part of Wallz ISO was a votals analysis. SBell voted BCT and Death early, didn't vote Lopen when he was caught, was very vocal about lynching Chris over Ctes, and didn't take a strong stance or vote on Sultan/Ctes. SBell looks like the one that has most "protected" Ctes in this game.

So Wallz final analysis was lynch Ctes, and if he's scum like we expect, lynch SBell next.

And this is all completely hand swept away by if Ctes flips not godfather, it can't be sbell.

It only can be if ctes is godfather.

EDumey posted...

Ctes comes first, but Wallz just died, so I'm performing my role function of relaying his work to everyone.

As just outlined in the Wall post above (haha get it), I think scum had a vested interest in lynching Chris before Ctes. Not sure that Marth abstaining from voting is anything that triggers my senses immediately.

Thats not what I asked you. Did Marth or anyone else try to steer to a different lynch target.

Trust me when I say, Chris wanted to live there and expected to live there. I think ctes is a valuable member of scum, but Chris definitely thought he could pocket all his groupies and win too.

@UltimaterializerX

Can I get a ctes vote from you please?

Corrik7 posted...

To downplay ridiculous roles after an untargetable roleblocker for scum tho is silly.

Especially when peaf died on a commuter night. And there is no way for scum to have gotten through that.

But yet it's simple and you wanna lynch Ctes for being jailkept.

Corrik7 posted...

Thats not what I asked you. Did Marth or anyone else try to steer to a different lynch target.

Trust me when I say, Chris wanted to live there and expected to live there. I think ctes is a valuable member of scum, but Chris definitely thought he could pocket all his groupies and win too.

I think the only other real direction was MZero. I don't remember anyone fielding any other serious lynch. I unvoted MZero very early to swap to Ctes, Sultan and Marth stayed on the MZero lynch until the final hours when all the other votes were already on the board.

ctesjbuvf posted...

But yet it's simple and you wanna lynch Ctes for being jailkept.

I wanted to lynch you (the person you talk about in 3rd person) before you were jailkept. Because it was obvious from who was confirmed town that you had to be scum.

The jailkept portion blocked kill is just peaf listening to me when others wouldn't. 412 represent. (I am 724 tho lol)

EDumey posted...

I think the only other real direction was MZero. I don't remember anyone fielding any other serious lynch. I unvoted MZero very early to swap to Ctes, Sultan and Marth stayed on the MZero lynch until the final hours when all the other votes were already on the board.

Ya. I was about to hammer Chris but then Corrik did, lol.

Is Dumey seriously saying he neighbored Wallz

Did you expect Wallz to be alive today, Dumey?

Corrik7 posted...

Because it was obvious from who was confirmed town that you had to be scum.

Some of those confirmed town are now scum depending on my flip are they not?

Tell me this, why can it not be SBell and Marth?

arguing that I have to be scum based on role meta might be worse than wanting to lynch ctes and then hammering Sultan 40 hours early.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Some of those confirmed town are now scum depending on my flip are they not?

Tell me this, why can it not be SBell and Marth?

It cannot be Marth if you are godfather because he is scanned scum. It cannot he sbell if you are not godfather because the last scum is godfather and he wouldn't have told the game he scans scum as someone who scans town.

Scanned town*

Haven't you called both of them sure town in the past though.

More importantly, if they're both possible, why can't it be both? Why can the two not be aligned?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Haven't you called both of them sure town in the past though.

More importantly, if they're both possible, why can't it be both? Why can the two not be aligned?

Because you are scum.

They were both sure town when our strongest town role was misleading town by denying information to town that was pertinent for clearing someone else and not them.

But I was scum due to poe was what you said so that can't be it. Those two would have had to be in your poe then as well but they had to be town.

And that had nothing to do with Wallz going after Death and not Chris.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Did you expect Wallz to be alive today, Dumey?

EDumey posted...

I talked with Wallz since I knew he was likely to die and wanted to give him a chance to give a last will.

There's no one else with info to give or share, and it seems like decent application of the role to give someone who I expect to die one last chance to make reads post-lynch. He also delivered quite a lot on his ISO of Sultan, so it's not like it was a bad outcome!

Obellisk posted...

arguing that I have to be scum based on role meta might be worse than wanting to lynch ctes and then hammering Sultan 40 hours early.

i hope this wasn't supposed to be a rebuttal to my Wallz post.

Something obviously doesn't track there. But we've had reached a point in the game where you if scum would need more options. Second guessing isn't an issue in itself but it sounds like you're someone that is running out of logical or simple stuff (despite trying to sell it like simple) so now you're suggesting bs like that there might be 3,5 roles that mess with a cop that already needed to hammer to function or that there is some mafia role that is all the roles. It's anything but logical or simple.

ctesjbuvf posted...

But I was scum due to poe was what you said so that can't be it. Those two would have had to be in your poe then as well but they had to be town.

And that had nothing to do with Wallz going after Death and not Chris.

Wallz played his role very wrong. I told him that from the start. He wanted to be big dog though and swag his tail around, and this is where it led us.

Doesn't change the facts. You and Chris have always been scum.

EDumey posted...

There's no one else with info to give or share, and it seems like decent application of the role to give someone who I expect to die one last chance to make reads post-lynch. He also delivered quite a lot on his ISO of Sultan, so it's not like it was a bad outcome!

...man.

Anyway, why did you then pick Peaf the night before then, when you were surprised he was killed? Why not Wallz then?

Corrik7 posted...

Wallz played his role very wrong. I told him that from the start. He wanted to be big dog though and swag his tail around, and this is where it led us.

Doesn't change the facts. You and Chris have always been scum.

So you're trying to state that you thought you had 4 scum (now stating that you had one wrong due to Wallz playing his role wrong) and thus they had to be town at the time? Because your posts stated they had to be town for various reasons while Chris and I were scum to poe. Again, it doesn't track.

ctesjbuvf posted...

...man.

Anyway, why did you then pick Peaf the night before then, when you were surprised he was killed? Why not Wallz then?

Because Peaf had information to give or share. He intentionally obfuscated the function of his role and hinted that he would be able to jailkeep one more time.

In that case, I thought it would be useful to know who he protected or roleblocked, but it turned out he was locked into commuting.

ctesjbuvf posted...

So you're trying to state that you thought you had 4 scum (now stating that you had one wrong due to Wallz playing his role wrong) and thus they had to be town at the time? Because your posts stated they had to be town for various reasons while Chris and I were scum to poe. Again, it doesn't track.

It does. The odds of Sbell claiming miller as scum is insanely low if you know Sbell. The odds of red hitting the godfather with his scan is very low.

The odds of both being true are infintismally low.

You being scum has always perfectly been straight in the POE with who we can eliminate as scum as basically a lock. Your flip will also eliminate an option from the very low chances of possibility to hone in the other that has to be. It's that simple.

I tire of this back and forth.

@mzero
@UltimaterializerX

Avengers Assemble! Let's do this. Maybe Sheep won't pull some bs 40 hour night phase to screw us over.

Ctes just spending all his time deflecting to why others should be looking at others and not him instead of making any actual cases himself against anyone. Kinda funny. Classic scum.

Corrik7 posted...

Ctes just spending all his time deflecting to why others should be looking at others and not him instead of making any actual cases himself against anyone. Kinda funny. Classic scum.

To be fair I also accused Death of this >_> But it is scummy behavior to not advocate for a counter lynch when you know you're gonna die anyway! Scum doesn't want to give extra info away!

I blame Death for all my mistakes this game.
/jk

Huh

I don't know who wallz targeted last night, but his action failed

Corrik7 posted...

Maybe Sheep won't pull some bs 40 hour night phase to screw us over.

irony

MZero posted...

Huh

I don't know who wallz targeted last night, but his action failed

The most likely explanation for the Sultan shot failing is that Ctes as Mafia Backup got Lopen's role. So maybe they roleblocked him and shot him? No idea why they would, but it's not like roleblock has a ton of value elsewhere.

But I told Wallz that if they had a Ninja and weren't afraid of keeping him alive, they might target me or you as "confirmed town" to get rid of. And because Wallz had already shown precedent for targeting me, I suggested he watch you.

I don't have confirmation that he did that for sure because I left it up to him, but I think he probably did target you MZero.

EDumey posted...

The most likely explanation for the Sultan shot failing is that Ctes as Mafia Backup got Lopen's role. So maybe they roleblocked him and shot him? No idea why they would, but it's not like roleblock has a ton of value elsewhere.

But I told Wallz that if they had a Ninja and weren't afraid of keeping him alive, they might target me or you as "confirmed town" to get rid of. And because Wallz had already shown precedent for targeting me, I suggested he watch you.

I don't have confirmation that he did that for sure because I left it up to him, but I think he probably did target you MZero.

Did peaf ever mention if he got a roleblocked message specifically or if he just got an action failed message? Because it didn't say he was roleblocked

If Ctes is somehow town, then Corrik is 100% dying the next day. But we can't just let Ctes walk away from lynch after lynch after lynch.

Ulti you were wrong on Sultan. How do you explain Sultan's shot not going off on Ctes? Do you really think Sultan just didn't target someone at all there?

MZero posted...

Did peaf ever mention if he got a roleblocked message specifically or if he just got an action failed message? Because it didn't say he was roleblocked

IIRC he was just action failed. But he came in pretty strongly D2 saying he was roleblocked, so I don't know. I unfortunately didn't think to ask about the specific verbiage when I was with him.

although backup roleblocker does makes sense, considering they killed peaf the night he commuted

It's very clear where the scraping is coming from - the balcony is home to a huge arcade machine of indeterminate make and model, and it's being pushed towards the edge by a pair of miscreants, clearly using all of their might. It reaches the railing, and the figures crouch, before heaving the cabinet over the edge. It plummets to the ground in an instant, narrowly missing the console right next to it, which escapes unscathed.

"Huh. That's not what was meant to happen."

He definitely shot at someone.

Anyways. Ulti twisting the knife. Shame. And to think he said I was the best player in the game last game.

UltimaterializerX posted...

https://youtu.be/hQi-hwO8Rp4

##Vote: Corrik

Punishment for early hammering, and you make the most sense in the PoE.

https://youtu.be/O6XXmKttauE

##unvote

I don't have the votes to win the game. Alas. I am alone and broken. Good luck guys. I shall nary advance a thought again this game. I applaud you scum. You won a game you shoulda been routed on. Tip of the Fedora to you. Fare thee well.

Corrik7 posted...

##unvote

I don't have the votes to win the game. Alas. I am alone and broken. Good luck guys. I shall nary advance a thought again this game. I applaud you scum. You won a game you shoulda been routed on. Tip of the Fedora to you. Fare thee well.

Day is 4 hours old Corrik, settle down lol

ctes is the lynch today but discussing other stuff is good

anyone here to real time??

sorry i was at work

i think sbell is towny today but i haven't read the wall wall (lol) on him

probably should but i don't really want to

the case sux sorry lol gonna need more than "he busses like a motherfucker".

is corrik in his scum range?

UltimaterializerX posted...

https://youtu.be/hQi-hwO8Rp4

##Vote: Corrik

Punishment for early hammering, and you make the most sense in the PoE.

this vote bugs me

this feels like an excuse to vote someone. you campaigned for sultan to be dead all game, why are you pushing someone for resolving him quickly?