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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:16:49 PM
#251:


MZero posted...
ctes was a mislynch target. Very unlikely scum would have shot him over Wallz/Dumey/Peaf/Me
I agree with this

I'm starting to think scum no killed because of Chris, but then it fucked them over because jk roleblocked one of their mates.

Plus ctes literally survived an assassination attempt.

How can you explain that @ctesjbuvf ?

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:18:32 PM
#252:


I do not understand why sbell is playing devil's advocate here.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:20:05 PM
#253:


@EDumey what's your thoughts on all this mess

@UltimaterializerX how about you?

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:23:18 PM
#254:


But also if ctes was UT and peaf jk him, wouldn't peaf have gotten an error?

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:25:09 PM
#255:


There's no way that he was UT until at the earliest last night and even then can you even backup and roleblock the same night?

MZero says that wallz was rbed.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:27:37 PM
#256:


Can we mass already

Two people that are really suspicious are both at L1 and haven't even claimed

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:31:05 PM
#257:


I gotta go to work in 2.5 hours so I will be largely unavailable after that because I gotta go in early tomorrow.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:32:44 PM
#258:


##unvote

No hammers until I get some feedback ty

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 1:40:22 PM
#259:


MZero posted...
ctes was a mislynch target. Very unlikely scum would have shot him over Wallz/Dumey/Peaf/Me

It was the reason I initially trusted Chris. I find it more likely I might have ate the rb than a kill that night because rbing into the unclaimed makes more sense. You were also a mislynch target while Chris lived, but yeah.

MZero posted...
I'm really having trouble figuring this out. Why is it better that you get lynched without claiming?

Well it will not help solve the game unfortunately.

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MZero
05/13/23 1:43:15 PM
#260:


ctesjbuvf posted...
It was the reason I initially trusted Chris. I find it more likely I might have ate the rb than a kill that night because rbing into the unclaimed makes more sense. You were also a mislynch target while Chris lived, but yeah.

Well it will not help solve the game unfortunately.

Actually yeah I was never getting shot before Chris

Well it couldn't hurt, right? Might as well get it out there. You never know, it could help!

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 1:44:07 PM
#261:


UnderUrMattress posted...
I agree with this

I'm starting to think scum no killed because of Chris, but then it fucked them over because jk roleblocked one of their mates.

Plus ctes literally survived an assassination attempt.

How can you explain that @ctesjbuvf ?

We agree until the part where you say it f***ed them over instead of giving them a very hot mislynch option lol.

I think it's by far most likely that Sultan removed his gun while considering things and then was hammered before he got to consider things.

I considered outcaster or whatever it was called in Xenoblade earlier where scum could make people untargetable. And that Sultan shot at one of SBell/Ulti/Corrik (the ones he was asking about when he died) and then Wallz watched the same peraon. But I think it's more likely that Wallz was blocked and Sultan didn't fire.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:51:44 PM
#262:


ctesjbuvf posted...
We agree until the part where you say it f***ed them over instead of giving them a very hot mislynch option lol.

I think it's by far most likely that Sultan removed his gun while considering things and then was hammered before he got to consider things.

I considered outcaster or whatever it was called in Xenoblade earlier where scum could make people untargetable. And that Sultan shot at one of SBell/Ulti/Corrik (the ones he was asking about when he died) and then Wallz watched the same peraon. But I think it's more likely that Wallz was blocked and Sultan didn't fire.
Tell me why sultan would not fire...

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:55:15 PM
#263:


I think the better argument in your case is that he didn't shoot you.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:55:46 PM
#264:


ctesjbuvf posted...
And that Sultan shot at one of SBell/Ulti/Corrik (the ones he was asking about when he died)
Build on this

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 1:59:35 PM
#265:


@Obellisk
If ctes was actually targeted by both jk and mafia, then what do you think the solve is?

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 2:20:06 PM
#266:


MZero posted...
Actually yeah I was never getting shot before Chris

Well it couldn't hurt, right? Might as well get it out there. You never know, it could help!

Fine you can have it. I am just a vanilla that hoped making it seem like there was a fair chance I was shot at and wanting to elaborate to Dumey would make it seem like I had a power I feared they had learned about.

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 2:21:40 PM
#267:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Tell me why sultan would not fire...

I am not suggesting he didnt want to fire but I don't think he expected to be hammered while talking with me.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 2:21:53 PM
#268:


@EDumey
Who is in your hood rn? Is it just you?

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 2:22:12 PM
#269:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I am not suggesting he didnt want to fire but I don't think he expected to be hammered while talking with me.
I'll give you that one lol.

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 2:24:19 PM
#270:


Now that I actually somehow claimed we are at the point where the people usually calling for mass claims like day 2 are the only unclaimed, what a timeline lol.

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Corrik7
05/13/23 2:25:11 PM
#271:


UnderUrMattress posted...
##unvote

No hammers until I get some feedback ty
He is gonna hammer. Unvote me. Ulti.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 2:25:57 PM
#272:


Corrik7 posted...
He is gonna hammer. Unvote me. Ulti.
Chill your jets

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 2:27:41 PM
#273:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Build on this
Ctes

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 2:36:26 PM
#274:


He asked me which of the three I would shoot if I had his gun or something. Made he think he at least considered pointing it at one of them, I don't immediately recall who he said he thought was scum except me.

Though when night began I was very surprised to be alive and thought it was weird he wasn't pointing anywhere and didn't consider the shot failing.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 2:38:55 PM
#275:


ctesjbuvf posted...
He asked me which of the three I would shoot if I had his gun or something. Made he think he at least considered pointing it at one of them, I don't immediately recall who he said he thought was scum except me.

Though when night began I was very surprised to be alive and thought it was weird he wasn't pointing anywhere and didn't consider the shot failing.
What's your solve?

How do you feel about sbell playing devil's advocate towards you actually being saved?

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 2:44:38 PM
#276:


My solve for that in particular? Or the whole game state?

I think if you believe Sultan shot at someone and failed you should try to figure out who he could have shot and Wallz could have watched because they would be the same person most likely.

I think no shot and rb are more likely though.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 2:45:46 PM
#277:


ctesjbuvf posted...
My solve for that in particular? Or the whole game state?

I think if you believe Sultan shot at someone and failed you should try to figure out who he could have shot and Wallz could have watched because they would be the same person most likely.

I think no shot and rb are more likely though.
No just the whole game state.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 2:46:26 PM
#278:


2 mafia members. You keep lumping people together, but you're just tossing names out instead of building on that worldview.

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 2:48:15 PM
#279:


UnderUrMattress posted...
How do you feel about sbell playing devil's advocate towards you actually being saved?

That he suggested it was possible? Quite frankly, I'm surprised how certain people were it was not. It did not make me think differently about SBell in the grand scheme of things if that's what you're asking.

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 2:56:00 PM
#280:


I think I laid it out alright in one of my first posts since waking it up.

I think the beet plan we lynch Corrik and take it from there.

If we for some reason had to vote two people I'd probably look into who fit that team the best.

Gun to my head says Corrik and Ulti I think. If it's Corrik, the other one is likely someone he made "has to be town" while they don't have to. Ulti fits this and I think it's fishy how he is flying by the game on the fact that Lopen said he hid behind him after a scum game where he felt he was getting killed early for participating.

Dumey could also fit that I guess, but I think he has bigger town cases going for him, even if rb still might exist. I might lift an eyebrow if he comes in tomorrow having still only had 1 confirmable nightbor action though.

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Sheep007
05/13/23 3:05:11 PM
#281:


Votals
[3] Corrik - SBell, Ulti, Ctes
[2] Ctes - (Corrik), Dumey, (Marth), Corrik

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends 7PM EST Sunday, in ~28 hours.

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 3:14:03 PM
#282:


Let me ask you the same question Marth, full game state?

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EDumey
05/13/23 3:22:48 PM
#283:


UnderUrMattress posted...
@EDumey
Who is in your hood rn? Is it just you?

I'm wondering if you have a misconception about my role. I'm not adding people to a group chat with all my previous neighbors. I contact one person and that chat stays open until next night phase, where I change to talk to someone else. So when I contacted Wallz N2, he was removed from the chat N3, and I got a new chat with Chris. Then Chris died and I got a new chat with Peaf. Then Peaf was removed and I got a new chat with Wallz, for a second time.

So right now, because Wallz died, I do not have anyone in my "hood".

I think this attempt to switch gears to Corrik is a clear scum plan to try and save Ctes once again. Let's think about this scenario.

Corrik has outline that depending on Ctes' flip, it is likely Marth if Ctes doesn't flip Godfather, SBell if he does. If Ctes is the Godfather in this situation, SBell NEEDS to push that off another day to win.

1) UltimaterializerX
2) MZero
3) Corrik7
4) ctesjbuvf
5) Obellisk
6) EDumey
7) UnderUrMattress

-Ctes
-probably MZero for the NK because Ctes is trying to push doubt at me and thinks he can ML me.

That leaves us with a 4v1 where SBell can't win. Even if we lynch Corrik at that point before SBell, he very very likely dies in the final 3. Letting Ctes die here is the end of the game for them, so they are putting up their Last Stand now.

If they lynch Corrik and Corrik is town, then it's instead 3v2 and we're in LYLO. Then all they have to do is convince Ulti to vote me or something, and that's the game plan.

I think Ctes and SBell are scum, and using Ulti's vote on Corrik to try and swing a last ditch effort to win here. Let's stick to the plan and lynch Ctes. We get so much info and clarity on the last several days to know whether or not people were protecting Ctes or not. We can stop questioning the night actions and what happened with those. Everything gets so much clearer.

No distractions. Just lynch Ctes.

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EDumey
05/13/23 3:27:20 PM
#284:


Honestly if SBell had just stayed the course and lynched Ctes here, then tomorrow I would have humored a Corrik lynch first before trying to resolve the "is there a godfather and miller in this setup?" plan that Corrik put forth. But seeing SBell go for Corrik now instead of Ctes has only strengthened my belief that they think giving up Ctes now doesn't fit their win condition.

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EDumey
05/13/23 3:39:09 PM
#285:


ctesjbuvf posted...
My solve for that in particular? Or the whole game state?

I think if you believe Sultan shot at someone and failed you should try to figure out who he could have shot and Wallz could have watched because they would be the same person most likely.

I think no shot and rb are more likely though.
The idea that Sultan wasn't pointing his gun is actually insane by the way. Sultan was fully committed to the plan at that point. Even if Corrik hammered a little early without waiting for Sultan's confirmation, Sultan knew he could be hammered at any point and was in the thread at that time.

If we get to post-game and it turns out that Sultan just didn't point his gun, I guess I'll eat these words, but to frame that likelyhood as "more likely" is insane. Sultan shot you. You didn't die. You refuse to claim. All of the signs are there.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 3:47:10 PM
#286:


##vote: ctes

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 3:51:16 PM
#287:


I did have a misconception, my bad

Gotta hobble off to work now so I'm as good as gone for the rest of today.

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 3:51:41 PM
#288:


No Dumey, I'm not getting lynched because people are realizing that all the actions don't make sense with me as scum. There is no last ditch BS. Are you suggesting I am all the roles again?

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 3:52:28 PM
#289:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Let me ask you the same question Marth, full game state?
U/SBell
U/Corrik

One of the two

Either way it's U

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 3:53:08 PM
#290:


UnderUrMattress posted...
I did have a misconception, my bad

Gotta hobble off to work now so I'm as good as gone for the rest of today.

You asked me questions, I put effort into answering them. Then I ask you something and you just vote and leave lol. Wtf.

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 3:55:17 PM
#291:


Okay I got slightly ninja'd there.

But try to explain how it suddenly has to me and can't be, let's say SBell and Corrik that you both staye are possible, I don't think you can give a real answer.

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Sheep007
05/13/23 3:55:20 PM
#292:


Votals
[3] Corrik - SBell, Ulti, Ctes
[3] Ctes - (Corrik), Dumey, (Marth), Corrik, Marth

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends 7PM EST Sunday, in ~27 hours.

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EDumey
05/13/23 3:56:04 PM
#293:


ctesjbuvf posted...
No Dumey, I'm not getting lynched because people are realizing that all the actions don't make sense with me as scum. There is no last ditch BS. Are you suggesting I am all the roles again?
I am only suggesting you are Mafia Backup. Nothing more crazy than that. Mafia Backup was brought up by Chris and SBell before, and it explains how Peaf died, and how you survived the Sultan shot.

How many coincidences do there need to be before I can consider it likely evidence?

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 3:58:24 PM
#294:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Okay I got slightly ninja'd there.

But try to explain how it suddenly has to me and can't be, let's say SBell and Corrik that you both staye are possible, I don't think you can give a real answer.

EDumey posted...
I am only suggesting you are Mafia Backup. Nothing more crazy than that. Mafia Backup was brought up by Chris and SBell before, and it explains how Peaf died, and how you survived the Sultan shot.

How many coincidences do there need to be before I can consider it likely evidence?


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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 3:58:33 PM
#295:


EDumey posted...
The idea that Sultan wasn't pointing his gun is actually insane by the way. Sultan was fully committed to the plan at that point. Even if Corrik hammered a little early without waiting for Sultan's confirmation, Sultan knew he could be hammered at any point and was in the thread at that time.

If we get to post-game and it turns out that Sultan just didn't point his gun, I guess I'll eat these words, but to frame that likelyhood as "more likely" is insane. Sultan shot you. You didn't die. You refuse to claim. All of the signs are there.

Except no one f***ing died. How do you see no one die and think it's insane that no one was shot.
Corrik has stated so darn clearly he would not lynch anyone but me, I really don't think Sultan was ready for that.
So you're going with me being untargetable despite Peaf targeting me again? Yes, what a sign. Also I did claim.

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 4:00:30 PM
#296:


EDumey posted...
How many coincidences do there need to be before I can consider it likely evidence?

You need to f***ing consider that Peaf had an action on me that was successful.

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 4:01:30 PM
#297:


I thought you thought Dumey was scum Marth? What changed your mind to think it's me and one of Corrik/SBell and could not be Dumey?

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ctesjbuvf
05/13/23 4:02:31 PM
#298:


This is the part where you're shoving all the pieces into the square hole again, ignoring it doesn't make sense that they fit.

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UnderUrMattress
05/13/23 4:02:49 PM
#299:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I thought you thought Dumey was scum Marth? What changed your mind to think it's me and one of Corrik/SBell and could not be Dumey?
Do you want me to continue pushing him on misrepresented info?

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EDumey
05/13/23 4:04:14 PM
#300:


ctesjbuvf posted...
You need to f***ing consider that Peaf had an action on me that was successful.

You're absolutely right. He roleblocked scum that was submitting the night kill. I trust Peaf's action being far far more probably than the chance that scum took a shot at you over many better lynch targets, ESPECIALLY when they knew that the "doctor" Wallz and I thought existed wasn't there, and didn't need to doctor hunt in the unclaimed.

What was the scum equity in shooting you N3? Please tell me.

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