Poll of the Day > Do you think any of the Duggars have read their fanfics on AO3?

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I think this could change their mind?

Say, do you think theyd be okay with a PoC as a spouse, specifically for their daughters? I always felt like theyd be okay if it was one of their sons with a fine Latina momma, but Im willing to bet Jim Bob would throw a fit if like a black guy in their cult wanted to marry one of his daughters. Families like that are always iffy about those sorts of things.

Anyway one of the daughters has a doc coming out about what a weird ducking family they are.

don't care about the pedo christian family, cheers

ReturnOfFa posted...

don't care about the pedo christian family, cheers

Now now, only one of them is actually a pedo. The rest are either pedo defenders (which is objectively worse) or his victims.

Now now now, only one of them has been convicted of diddling. Who knows if the Apples fell near the tree and theres at least 4 or 5 others in there whove done even worse

adjl posted...

Now now, only one of them is actually a pedo. The rest are either pedo defenders (which is objectively worse) or his victims.

You think being a pedo defender is worse than actually being a pedo?

you've activated my trap card

adjl posted...

Now now, only one of them is actually a pedo. The rest are either pedo defenders (which is objectively worse) or his victims.

Fuck no it isn't.

Jen0125 posted...

You think being a pedo defender is worse than actually being a pedo?

Yes. The consequences are the same (children get abused), but the decision to inflict that harm is one made competently, rather than as a consequence of inadequately-addressed mental illness. Put simply, could the actual abuser have been expected to get himself the necessary therapy and/or isolate himself from any potential victims for their safety? Probably, but it's hard to say for certain because mental illness can do weird things to motivation and one's awareness of the world around them. Should his parents have intervened to protect their daughters as soon as they learned of the abuse? Absolutely and without any shred of doubt. The only reason they didn't is because they made the decision to value their reputation over their daughters' safety, and that's 100% on them in every way, shape and form.

It's the distinction between causing harm due to being sick and causing harm due to being evil. By no means am I about to suggest that the actual molester shouldn't be jailed, subjected to involuntary treatment, and banned from being around minors until such a time as he is conclusively found to no longer pose a risk to them (which will likely never happen), since that's what's necessary to keep said minors safe, but morally speaking the parents are worse because they made their decision as an act of competent evil, rather than a failure to protect others from an illness.

Absolutely asinine logic lmao wow

And it's really pathetic to frame child molestation as a mental health issue. Really taking the personal responsibility off the abuser there. Good job. You sound as bad as the sympathizers.

Jen0125 posted...

And it's really pathetic to frame child molestation as a mental health issue.

It is. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. Properly managed, there's no threat to anyone else and it's perfectly fine. Improperly managed, people get hurt. Stigmatizing it like that only discourages people from getting the help they need to avoid hurting others.

Jen0125 posted...

Really taking the personal responsibility off the abuser there.

adjl posted...

By no means am I about to suggest that the actual molester shouldn't be jailed, subjected to involuntary treatment, and banned from being around minors until such a time as he is conclusively found to no longer pose a risk to them (which will likely never happen), since that's what's necessary to keep said minors safe

Right, yeah, I'm totally absolving him of any responsibility for his actions.

What you said is in no way objective, btw. Lmao it's actually insane. So maybe you should change how you frame your opinion on this to others.

adjl posted...

It is. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. Properly managed, there's no threat to anyone else and it's perfectly fine. Improperly managed, people get hurt. Stigmatizing it like that only discourages people from getting the help they need to avoid hurting others.

Right, yeah, I'm totally absolving him of any responsibility for his actions.

So yeah, stigmatize the people around them and call them worse than the literal abuser. That makes.... Yeah that makes total sense how didn't I see it before lmfao

Jen0125 posted...

So yeah, stigmatize the people around them and call them worse than the literal abuser.

Not all the people around them. Specifically those that made a deliberate decision to enable his abuse and throw their own daughters under the bus for the sake of preserving their reputation. Competent, deliberate decisions that cause harm are morally worse than causing the same harm through negligence. This is about as close to objective as any judgement on such matters can be, and is reflected across the board in terms of the severity of sentences given (e.g. murder vs. manslaughter).

Quite simply, it's not evil to be attracted to somebody you can't have. It's not evil to have impulse control problems that might prevent you from acting on that forbidden attraction. One does, however, have a responsibility to prevent that attraction and those impulse control problems from harming others. Child molesters fail to uphold that responsibility. There are varying degrees to that culpability (and in Dugger's case, it actually wouldn't surprise me if his aggressively sheltered upbringing and his parent's willingness to protect him after assaulting his sisters impaired his ability to recognize that he was doing something wrong), and regardless of how much personal blame is appropriate legal intervention is needed to protect children from them and force them to take that responsibility, but there will still always be an aspect of neglecting responsibility instead of making a deliberate decision to harm others.

By contrast, it is evil to make a deliberate decision that you know will harm others. That's the entirety of what his parents did. There's no other way to frame it or call their culpability into question, and as such, they are the greater evil.

Saying someone isn't making a deliberate decision simply because they are mentally ill is childish and coddling.