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I love that Woj is holding out hope that Lillard won't end up on Miami, even though he's quietly admitting no one can come up with a better offer

Why would woj care? He's just a reporter

You think these reporters don't care about the stuff they put out? They may not care about teams, but they don't want to get embarrassed by getting a report wrong. Stories of Woj's ego on this stuff are definitely out there.

woj is an information broker, he definitely has extremely vested interests

Oh I didn't think hard enough about it, yeah that makes sense

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37971056/spurs-victor-wembanyama-describes-security-incident-britney-spears

Huh, here we go

I mean regardless if it was a tap or a grab, that's some shit security letting her get that close to begin with.

Leonhart4 posted...

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37971056/spurs-victor-wembanyama-describes-security-incident-britney-spears

Huh, here we go

i doubt she could reach his shoulder

you can see why she felt like she was cold cocked but it looks like NBD

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37974501/no-charges-filed-britney-spears-wembanyama-incident

the future of the nba starts now

also that ending of the portland/houston game was nuts

https://twitter.com/___Colb___/status/1677392205965565957

https://www.nba.com/news/in-season-tournament-101

*Group stage is from 11-3-11/28. Quarterfinals are 12/4 and 12/5. Semifinals on 12/7 and the finals on 12/9
*All 30 teams play and are in 6 groups of 5. Each team plays 2 home games and 2 away games. Eight teams total advance (6 group winners and 2 wildcards aka teams with the next best records)
*Tuesday and Friday are "Tournament Nights" where Group Stage games are played.
*67 games total
*Winning team gets a trophy and all players get $500,000.

This is still a weird concept to me but I guess I'll give it a shot and see if I warm up to it

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1678583307968344064?t=qKGbAKZ-il6ZoA2Q9irX_g&s=19

I like The Athletics projected line up the most

Starters
Cade/Ivey/Bojan/Stewart/Duren

Bench
Monte/Burks/Harris/Livers/Bagley

3rds
Killian/Sasser/Ausar/Wiseman

Let Ausar come off the bench to begin with and earn his top spot or until Bojan gets dealt and we have to change everything around

that can buy a lot of beef stew

https://youtu.be/xmvpwF8VCZc

Oh ya

Lebron tells everyone that we are lucky he has decided not to retire

League sources say that the talks were sturdy enough to discuss a potential trade framework Bogdanovi and Killian Hayes coming to Dallas, Tim Hardaway Jr. and JaVale McGee going out but its unclear what else would have been required from each party to expand it to a four-team deal and what ultimately caused those talks, however serious, to stall. (Dallas is incredibly cautious to trade its 2027 first-round pick, one team source says, which the team could not put typical protections due to the first-rounders which it owes.) - via The Athletic

TheRock1525 posted...

that can buy a lot of beef stew

Sounds like good eating.

https://vxtwitter.com/cjzero/status/1680031536735821824

Flying SAusar

oh ya Pistons finish off the Summer League with a 4-1 record

Sasser set the record for most points in this years Summer League with a 40 point performance

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1683847244573712385

Glad he's okay, but will this affect his ability to be drafted

The Celtics are really paying Jalen Brown 300 million dollars

Contracts are outta of control if that's what he got.

In 3 years that deal will be middle of the pack, the cap is probably going up 10% each year for the rest of the CBA. We do the same thing in the NFL, guy gets new richest deal and we go WOW what an overpay! THen in a few years it's like wow what a bargain!

Max deals are limited % wise, so it's not really out of control. These big deals are a sign that the NBA is growing exponentially, because if this is allowed then that means the cap is really high, which means lots of profits happened.

there's also a trade kicker, which is particularly ominous - could be a huge disincentive to teams trading for him

obviously if we win a title or multiple titles with brown then i'm thrilled. just worried about how this handicaps the team going forward. i understand the want to break up superteams, but i don't love it when it punishes teams for good homegrown drafting

i'm concerned about the Cs' title window largely because of age and health - and now we'll struggle even harder to find depth (payton pritchard looks like he'll be our third guard, which is not where i particularly want to be)

SeabassDebeste posted...

there's also a trade kicker, which is particularly ominous - could be a huge disincentive to teams trading for him

obviously if we win a title or multiple titles with brown then i'm thrilled. just worried about how this handicaps the team going forward. i understand the want to break up superteams, but i don't love it when it punishes teams for good homegrown drafting

Depends on how you think sports should flow. I believe that every team should inevitably have to deal with everyone wanting to get paid and sometimes that means you can't keep everyone. Otherwise you end up with another golden state. Maybe it is punishing but it's a necessary evil imo. Also the league gives advantages to those homegrown teams in what they can offer deal-wise, so it's not all against the team.

the issue with golden state was a cap spike that resulted in their being able to sign durant. there was nothing wrong with them before that.

the supermax helps homegrown teams to re-sign their free agents, but because it hamstrings them so badly in terms of team construction it partially contributes to their leaving as well. plus, the presence of the supermax counterintuitively forces home teams to pay it, even when the player might not be worth as much. home teams giving more money to their guys makes sense, but the deals should only count against their cap at the maximum these players would be getting to play for other teams.

It doesn't hamstring them terribly. If you have 1 supermax guy, you still have 65% of your cap space to play with (more once you go over the cap via exceptions) and if you have 2 guys like that then you're probably a really good team, like boston is. You shouldn't be able to have everything. Golden state wasn't hamstrung. Milwaukee wasn't hamstrung. Denver wasn't hamstrung. The Lakers weren't hamstrung. It's not like the supermax is a death knell to a team's window. If a team can't pull value from their other draftees, or minimum players, then they deserve to be punished for those, because those guys simply become more important once you're into the luxury tax, and even then it pales in comparison to the starters. Like the nugs had only 8 guys that played double digit minutes in the playoffs and they ran train over everyone.

I don't think the celtics should be "allowed" to give brown the super max, tatum his new supermax, keep porzingis, and give williams III his new big deal with no consequences, AND have money to play around with actually filling the bench out with things like good mid-level exceptions while having brogdon's lame duck deal on the books. The celtics aren't being punished for paying guys the supermax, they're being punished for having a big deal that didn't pan out in brogdon, and now potentially porzingis depending on how that works out, and for having their other draft prospects contribute basically nothing.

Apparnetly enough waves were made wiht teams that the NBA issued a memo saying that if they get a hint that a player (Dame) is under suspicion of not giving their full effort in event of a trade that there will be consequences.

Another toothless threat, I'd imagine

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1687551673051361280?s=46&t=5rs-V2N8ZuS_S2f1lfBvCg

my solution to the supermax hurting smaller franchises is just to have only the regular max amount count against the cap. only for the team who signed you to the contract though, if you get traded then the whole thing counts against the cap

Lel

changmas posted...

my solution to the supermax hurting smaller franchises is just to have only the regular max amount count against the cap. only for the team who signed you to the contract though, if you get traded then the whole thing counts against the cap

yeah, entirely agreed with this

Problem is the players would never agree to that.

players get paid either way

It would hinder their ability to move to another team because some teams would be less likely to take on the giant cap hit.

https://twitter.com/FlyByKnite/status/1687600848166367238?t=M5CfSAUE4ykaTnzbTqM3Ag&s=19

LeonhartFour posted...

It would hinder their ability to move to another team because some teams would be less likely to take on the giant cap hit.

Yep. Players are getting more and more outspoken trying to control their trade destinations. Anything that's gonna get in the way of that is going to be met with a lot of opposition.

free agency would still exist

free agency still exists now but it doesn't stop Harden from demanding a trade every 12 months

also switching teams via free agency would also prevent these players from getting the supermax, which they're also not going to be in favor of

See also: Lillard and Durant

LeonhartFour posted...

It would hinder their ability to move to another team because some teams would be less likely to take on the giant cap hit.

It wouldn't be any different for the team trading for them than it is now

MZero posted...

It wouldn't be any different for the team trading for them than it is now

Technically no, but I think the team getting the "discount" would also be less inclined to trade unless the situation just became untenable.

changmas posted...

my solution to the supermax hurting smaller franchises is just to have only the regular max amount count against the cap. only for the team who signed you to the contract though, if you get traded then the whole thing counts against the cap

That's how I've always thought it should be too.

Problem with the supermax is if a player is eligible you basically have to pay it. And the only way you're winning with a supermax contract on the books is if that player is a top 5 player during that deal (or a large bulk of it). And by the last years of a supermax contract, any player who would be eligible for it has a ton of mileage on their legs. They may be late 20s / early 30s but if it's a supermax player they probably played a lot of minutes and saw a lot of the ball and you would expect the team saw playoff minutes too.

So there's a far greater chance of a supermax ruining a team than causing it to win since they are likely already an over the cap team by the time they sign the deal.

This is probably relevant too

https://twitter.com/AndrewPetcash/status/1687806709622812673