Current Events > Tears of the Kingdom has the Nut-N-Bolts problem.

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It should never have been the main focus. I am not a builder. Zelda games were never games about building and now suddenly you make a game where its the solution to damn near everything? This isn't a Zelda game.

I've been trying to figure out why I have no incentive to keep playing this and I think this is why. If they wanted to make a different game using these mechanics, make that game. Don't slap Zelda on the title.

You haven't played the game. I hardly touch Ultrahand to make vehicles. its an option. Not all the shrines even force you to make anything.

Zelda games always do this though don't they? They pick some big new gimmick and tell you it's your problem.
3 day timer, the sailing, Wii motion plus, BOTW swapping everything out.
They all got to keep Zelda in the title. Why not this one?

Honestly Zelda hasn't been relevant since like 2003

You don't really have to use it if you don't wanna

You seriously struggle putting a fan on a plank of wood?

They're all just physics puzzles.

Billyionaire posted...

Honestly Zelda hasn't been relevant since like 2003

You're on a roll with dumb takes lately

Billyionaire posted...

Honestly Zelda hasn't been relevant since like 2003

This is bullshit.

KanWan posted...

Cant you just skip most of it? Least thats what I heard.. I dont have a switch but Ive been curious about the game and how the Zelda series went to this direction

Even in the beginning, you really aren't expected to create vehicles. You use Ultrahand for some things but you don't need to create vehicles or even use auto-build. I suck at creating things but if you delve into the depths a lot, you can get blueprints to have things created for you...so I've been cruising in a hovercraft through the depths for awhile.

Nuts and Bolts' problem was that it was Nuts and Bolts.

I still travel across Hyrule by paraglider or horse. I still don't really know how to build things without screwing it up and I've already completed 2 dungeons and have a lot of shrines unlocked. The game is how you make it. There's multiple ways to complete puzzles if you don't want to create things.

It definitely doesn't lol. The vehicles are just there for fun and the occasional puzzle, it's hardly the focus at all

This why Autobuild schemas exist you silly goose. Also, you can build lazy shit to solve puzzles. It's not hard.

dameon_reaper posted...

Not all the shrines even force you to make anything.

Every single one I've come across absolutely has.

I've yet to see a problem where vehicle building was the only solution (ok, with the exception of like putting a fan on a wing. If that's too much time investment then I dunno wtf he wants). Several times it can make the solution vastly faster, and once you unlock blueprinting, it's almost always the faster solution if you're willing to spend a few zonite.

TC probably hasn't played the game. If not, he hasn't played much of it yet

Billyionaire posted...

Honestly Zelda hasn't been relevant since like 2003

...I have no words.

Also, I never said a damn thing about vehicles.

Honestly, the building stuff is so rarely actually used that its almost more in the way than anything.

And the dumb timer on the platforms or bird things means that it feels limiting how much you might actually want to bother playing around with it. At least it did to me, the only timer might be on the flying stuff.

There are a couple shrines that require building stuff, but that's fine. You generally need to build stuff or work around the Skyview towers if you ever really want to make it to the sky islands though.

I honestly only ever build stuff when its mandatory (and like 2-3 times of mindless screwing around that got boring quick), but I've had little to no issue playing the game without any of it.

dave_is_slick posted...

Also, I never said a damn thing about vehicles.

You put Nuts-N-Bolts as the comparison game in your topic title.

dave_is_slick posted...

Also, I never said a damn thing about vehicles.

...lol

dave_is_slick posted...

Every single one I've come across absolutely has.

Eh most of the shrines require pretty simple builds to complete. And hell, you can straight up ignore a lot of the "intended" methods of completing them with your other abilities, most prominently Recall. Or just go for the lamest possible method of beating Shrines and walk around with rockets glued to every single one of your shields.

Building in the overworld is for the most part not necessary. I would say if you don't enjoy that aspect of the game, just build a hoverbike, save it to Autobuild, and you're set. The horse and glider should be fine enough to actually just explore everything.

Punished_Blinx posted...

You put Nuts-N-Bolts as the comparison game in your topic title.

Why's TC trying so hard to hate

Every Zelda game since Ocarina has some central new gameplay conceit it introduces into the formula which shakes up the normal gameplay. Time travel, the 3 day loop, sailing mechanics, wolf mode, etc. This one has building stuff.

Nintendo is already very adept at making the same games over and over and over, you don't need to encourage them to do that even harder. Especially when the building is actually intuitive and fun and naturally blended into the gameplay in TOTK unlike nuts and bolts which grinds the game to a halt and is miserable to play unless you're building at all times

dave_is_slick posted...

It should never have been the main focus. I am not a builder. Zelda games were never games about building and now suddenly you make a game where its the solution to damn near everything? This isn't a Zelda game.

I've been trying to figure out why I have no incentive to keep playing this and I think this is why. If they wanted to make a different game using these mechanics, make that game. Don't slap Zelda on the title.

So you didn't actually play the game.....

I've done a lot of thinking, and out of the 30 or so actual puzzle shrines I've done, there is one that actually legitimately required some building, and it's a pretty early one.

It's the one where you gotta build a hanging vehicle through long winding rails. Honestly a big mistake that that one is available so early when players wouldn't be so accustomed to building

Outside of that, honestly putting a fan on a wing is barely qualified as building something. You can always build more ridiculous contraptions, but I have to question why any of that is necessary if you specifically hated building.

You have a lot of really powerful tools like rewind and ascend. You know you can like lift a metal plate up, put it back down, rewind it, then just ascend up it? That alone saves most building in like at least half of the puzzle shrines I've seen

The most you ever need to do with building to solve puzzles is to attach a couple things at a time and/or make a bridge. It's nowhere near Nuts & Bolts level. If you think you need to make some sort of elaborate construction to solve something, you're overthinking it.

ultimate_reaver posted...

Every Zelda game since Ocarina has some central new gameplay conceit it introduces into the formula which shakes up the normal gameplay. Time travel, the 3 day loop, sailing mechanics, wolf mode, etc. This one has building stuff.

Nintendo is already very adept at making the same games over and over and over, you don't need to encourage them to do that even harder. Especially when the building is actually intuitive and fun and naturally blended into the gameplay in TOTK unlike nuts and bolts which grinds the game to a halt and is miserable to play unless you're building at all times

Since Ocarina? Since LttP. Light world <-> Dark World is definitely a gimmick in the same vein as time travel.

legendarylemur posted...

I've done a lot of thinking, and out of the 30 or so actual puzzle shrines I've done, there is one that actually legitimately required some building, and it's a pretty early one.

It's the one where you gotta build a hanging vehicle through long winding rails. Honestly a big mistake that that one is available so early when players wouldn't be so accustomed to building

Outside of that, honestly putting a fan on a wing is barely qualified as building something. You can always build more ridiculous contraptions, but I have to question why any of that is necessary if you specifically hated building.

You have a lot of really powerful tools like rewind and ascend. You know you can like lift a metal plate up, put it back down, rewind it, then just ascend up it? That alone saves most building in like at least half of the puzzle shrines I've seen

Yeah that hook rail thing overall would have been the hardest one I've done so far. There was another one similar later.

Overall though you're given like what? 2-4 objects that you have to slap together to solve a puzzle. I think some of then are funny too! Like making a scoop for a ball pit or putting planks on wheels to make a boat that can swim upstream. In that latter case they already made the boat with wheels for you!

It all feels like an evolution of physics puzzles for me instead of some building game.

legendarylemur posted...

I've done a lot of thinking, and out of the 30 or so actual puzzle shrines I've done, there is one that actually legitimately required some building, and it's a pretty early one.

It's the one where you gotta build a hanging vehicle through long winding rails. Honestly a big mistake that that one is available so early when players wouldn't be so accustomed to building

Outside of that, honestly putting a fan on a wing is barely qualified as building something. You can always build more ridiculous contraptions, but I have to question why any of that is necessary if you specifically hated building.

You have a lot of really powerful tools like rewind and ascend. You know you can like lift a metal plate up, put it back down, rewind it, then just ascend up it? That alone saves most building in like at least half of the puzzle shrines I've seen

That rail one you're referring to (if it's the same one I'm thinking of at least) is the only shrine so far I was unable to figure out how to do correctly. I just built a long ramp out of stone slabs, extended it to the final rail, got on it and used Recall, and then slid down the rail with my minecart shield.

I believe I saw a topic on the TOTK board for the hardest shrine, and that one got the most mentions. I looked up the solution afterward and it seemed pretty obvious in hindsight. Just couldn't think of it myself though.

Billyionaire posted...

Honestly Zelda hasn't been relevant since like 2003

You should close your account.