Current Events > Twitter blowing up after finding out the average American woman weighs 170lbs

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Lil_Bit83 posted...

Oh.

Gritty is the good counterpart to Donald Trump.
You can tell because he's capable of growing facial hair.

ArtiRock posted...

3rd, BMI has been a shitty method of determining healthy weights for far too long. Anyone that still sites it as a good source for ideal weight hasn't been paying attention to the fields for a good while. Not only does BMI grossly favor taller people, but it doesn't account for physical body types and how big you are. The average person that lifts weights 3x a week and gets cardio 3-5 times a week will easily be over BMI because they're too buff.

Nah, it's a pretty good for what it's designed.

An average person doesn't weight 3x a week and gets cardio 3 ~ 5.

An average person does have an access to scale and knows how tall he is.

Skinny girls only weigh 60 pounds less than this at most while there's plenty of women over 120 pounds heavier

So the median would give a way more accurate assessment here.

Huh, apparently in Botswana (in 2014 anyway) men on average weighed 140.2 lbs. while women weighed 141.8 lbs. That seems pretty unusual, I wonder what's going on there.

Glob posted...

My girlfriend weighs less and she is active and doesnt starve herself.

She is not healthy unless she is very small. Like child like. There is a level of development that should be happening there.

Requiem posted...

Nah, it's a pretty good for what it's designed.

An average person doesn't weight 3x a week and gets cardio 3 ~ 5.

An average person does have an access to scale and knows how tall he is.

It's not good. It's why so many people that start working out get frustrated. Because they initially gain weight and they out way too much stock in the BMI and the weight rather than ... Getting healthier.

So? For the people that do, it doesn't work. And for people that are sedentary, it gives of the impression that malnutrition is fine because it keeps them of "normal" weight. It fails more often than it helps.

You are much better calorie counting and ensuring you eating foods with proper vitamins and minerals. If you want to lose weight, find how much you need to eat to maintain, and then eat 10-40% less. It's easy and you'll lose weight by staggering the amount of calories you eat while keeping it under your maintenance weight. It's not safe to lose more than 1 or 2 lbs a week anyways.

It's harder in the US because there's some dog shite things you can eat that are super cheap.

Anony1125 posted...

Huh, apparently in Botswana (in 2014 anyway) men on average weighed 140.2 lbs. while women weighed 141.8 lbs. That seems pretty unusual, I wonder what's going on there.

Probably because male and female are closer to the same size in that area.

Glob posted...

My girlfriend weighs less and she is active and doesnt starve herself.

That doesn't necessarily mean she is healthy. Even Chris Evans admitted his Captain America body isn't healthy nor sustainable. Don't mistake looking attractive to being healthy.

ArtiRock posted...

She is not healthy unless she is very small. Like child like. There is a level of development that should be happening there.

Respectfully, fuck off.

Describing somebody as child-like just because theyre smaller than average is insulting and ignorant.

Yes, shes only 410 but thats not thats not massively uncommon in this part of the world. The average height for a woman here is only 51.

Glob posted...

Respectfully, fuck off.

Describing somebody as child-like just because theyre smaller than average is insulting and ignorant.

Yes, shes only 410 but thats not thats not massively uncommon in this part of the world. The average height for a woman here is only 51.

No. It's not ignorant. Less than 100 lbs is generally not healthy. Even at that height. 105 would be better.

You're just wrong. Where are you from then?

Imo, the perfect weight for women are around the 120-130+. 140 depending on height, and shape. Anything higher is too much, or you're pregnant. With that being said, anything less than 100 pounds is too low, unless you're around the 4 feet range, or a granny.

ArtiRock posted...

No. It's not ignorant. Less than 100 lbs is generally not healthy. Even at that height. 105 would be better.

You're just wrong. Where are you from then?

So you know better than her doctors? What exactly are your qualifications?

Where Im from is the UK, but where I live, and where shes from, is Vietnam.

I love it when the nutritionists and dietitians of CE get into it.

Glob posted...

So you know better than her doctors? What exactly are your qualifications?

Where Im from is the UK, but where I live, and where shes from, is Vietnam.

To be fair, there are alot of instances where the patients knew more than their doctors which saved their life. My dad was put on Actos some diabetic medication over and over again, but I repeatedly got him not to take it because I thought it was too risky. Turned out years later, Actos has been discontinued and sued for having dangerous side effects. If my dad listened to his doctor, he'd may been in trouble. At the end of the day, listen to your body. Don't chase the numbers. That's what I learned.

Glob posted...

So you know better than her doctors? What exactly are your qualifications?

Where Im from is the UK, but where I live, and where shes from, is Vietnam.

Probably if that's the case. I don't need to prove my qualifications for you. Adults should shoot over 100 unless they are decidedly small by virtue that being under that risks being malnourished. It also means if you were to get I'll and lose weight during an illness you can afford to lose weight if you can't eat as well. Muscle weights more than fat. It's incredibly difficult to believe that an active person would be that small.

At the average height of 5'4, 170 lbs gives you a BMI of 29.4. Which is close to obese, but not quite.
At the average height of 5'9, 198 lbs gives you a BMI of 29.2. Which is also close to obese, and similar.

On the other hand, the average BMI of an American Man is 26.6 and the average BMI of an American Woman is 26.5. Both of these are close to normal weight. So the outliers affect a lot.

ArtiRock posted...

Probably if that's the case. I don't need to prove my qualifications for you. Adults should shoot over 100 unless they are decidedly small by virtue that being under that risks being malnourished. It also means if you were to get I'll and lose weight during an illness you can afford to lose weight if you can't eat as well. Muscle weights more than fat. It's incredibly difficult to believe that an active person would be that small.

So you have no qualifications but feel that your opinion is more valuable than that of several doctors. Im going to refer you back to my previous statement: Respectfully, fuck off.

Sheiky-Baby posted...

To be fair, there are alot of instances where the patients knew more than their doctors which saved their life. My dad was put on Actos some diabetic medication over and over again, but I repeatedly got him not to take it because I thought it was too risky. Turned out years later, Actos has been discontinued and sued for having dangerous side effects. If my dad listened to his doctor, he'd may been in trouble. At the end of the day, listen to your body. Don't chase the numbers. That's what I learned.

Sure but shes not having any problems.

Glob posted...

So you have no qualifications but feel that your opinion is more valuable than that of several doctors. Im going to refer you back to my previous statement: Respectfully, fuck off.

It's more that appealing to authority is the worst way to go about doing things. Regardless of that, other doctors that are actual goddamned nutritionist have said the same. You can scream to fuck off as much as you want.

Weight is a Garbo indicator of being healthy. You played yourself and are now pissy about it.

Also who's surprised she's not vaccinated?

Dancedreamer posted...

Also who's surprised she's not vaccinated?

Probably no one with that behavior.

ArtiRock posted...

It's more that appealing to authority is the worst way to go about doing things. Regardless of that, other doctors that are actual goddamned nutritionist have said the same. You can scream to fuck off as much as you want.

Weight is a Garbo indicator of being healthy. You played yourself and are now pissy about it.

Appealing to authority in matters of health is the sensible thing to do in the vast majority of cases. Her BMI puts her at a healthy weight. She has annual physicals as part of her job which have never indicated any problems.

The only thing to suggest that theres any issue is a random guy on GameFAQs claiming that she cant possibly be healthy because he just knows these things.

You can claim that weight isnt a good indicator of being healthy, and Ill agree that it can be reductionist. However, you dont know anything else about her, so you have literally nothing to base your conclusion on other than her weight, which youve said is a garbo indicator. Your entire position is based on you interpreting something which you claim is unreliable, yet you claim Ive played myself.

Also, Im not screaming at you to fuck off. What gave you that impression? I deliberately put the respectfully both times. Have you never spoken to a British person before. Theyll calmly tell you to fuck off when they think youre a fool spouting nonsense.

ArtiRock posted...

appealing to authority

God I hate how much 100 level philosophy bullshit has pervaded all corners of online discourse

Logical fallacies have no place when discussing medical and other scientific topics

Glob posted...

If walking a few miles a day is making you sore, you really need to work on your fitness, regardless of your weight.

The average person isn't walking 5-8 miles within 3-4 hours. Doing that absolutely would make the average person's legs sore, but it would be enough for great weight/calorie loss

The general guidelines for mod cardio is 30 min a day, 5 times a week.

So, yeah... if your interest is in maintaining health (and not trying out for the Olympic team), walking 5~8 miles day probably isn't the best. You could even end up hurting and doing permanent injury to yourself by overstraining.

Im not gonna read the whole topic but i love the guy ranting about how bad and harmful BMI is because it doesnt tell the whole story and then the guy decides the other guy's gf is unhealthy based solely on her height and weight

Honestly this is more about the lifestyles many people are led to live due to inflation.

Higher inflation usually means people have to eat less healthy. Less healthy now means higher calorie options, rather than pre-60's meaning people would just kinda end up starving a bit.

If you have lower finances you are gonna stock up on cheap food options. Lots of cheap starches and stuff like that.

Requiem posted...

The general guidelines for mod cardio is 30 min a day, 5 times a week.

So, yeah... if your interest is in maintaining health (and not trying out for the Olympic team), walking 5~8 miles day probably isn't the best. You could even end up hurting and doing permanent injury to yourself by overstraining.

Oh definitely. As an everyday thing, that would be too much. 2-3 would be better. Especially for a beginner

ArtiRock posted...

No. It's not ignorant. Less than 100 lbs is generally not healthy. Even at that height. 105 would be better.

You're just wrong. Where are you from then?

no for her size, her weight is fine

Frozen veggies are not gonna be enough to fuel people.

Don't get me wrong, people who are very driven to be healthy on a budget definitely can. It takes a lot of Drive and initiative, and needs to be consistent on your mind. It is possible, but after working 14 hours in a day the last thing a lot of people want to do is meal prep, bargain shop, and pay attention to macros and all that. It's so much easier to just go buy that burger.

Healthy eating should be government subsidized since the populace eating healthier takes a lot of pressure off the health system.

'Not healthy'

But neither is 90 percent of the stuff we buy in grocery stores that come pre-packaged. I'm already mad at most of the stuff adults gave me as a kid.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Frozen veggies are not gonna be enough to fuel people.

If the point is to lose weight, obviously we're talking about reduced calorie meals.
You can supplement the lack of calories in vegetables with other cheaper-than-ultra-processed alternatives;
Rice (brown or white), beans, potatoes, or $2-3/lb chicken breasts, etc.
Processed and prepared shit out of the freezer section is not cheaper.
Canned foods are not cheaper. $4 for a 12oz can of spam or $2.50 cents/lb for pork shoulder.

Buying seasonal produce, grains, and whatever ongoing deals they have on meat makes it fucking easy.
No matter how many times you're walking uphill both ways to work 5 jobs 12 hour shifts, blah blaHBLAHBNLALBHABH

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Every time we have these conversations people act like everyone is experiencing all of the possible hinderances at once. It's fucking insane and I'm done indulging in it. I'm not living in the fantasy land of 1001 excuses.
If you can't figure out how to take care of yourself by eating right, you literally cannot figure out how to eat/shop/cook to save your life.

It's not corn subsidies that are fucking you over. Take the fucking reigns of your life. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

Glob posted...

Respectfully, fuck off.

Describing somebody as child-like just because theyre smaller than average is insulting and ignorant.

Yes, shes only 410 but thats not thats not massively uncommon in this part of the world. The average height for a woman here is only 51.

You're mad, we get it. Dating someone with the body of a child.

Umm people with a ton of muscle are heavy af...

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Frozen veggies are not gonna be enough to fuel people.

Don't get me wrong, people who are very driven to be healthy on a budget definitely can. It takes a lot of Drive and initiative, and needs to be consistent on your mind. It is possible, but after working 14 hours in a day the last thing a lot of people want to do is meal prep, bargain shop, and pay attention to macros and all that. It's so much easier to just go buy that burger.

Healthy eating should be government subsidized since the populace eating healthier takes a lot of pressure off the health system.

That just makes it sound more like a personal choice. Yes, there are people out there who work that long, come home, and just want to eat. However, a bag of frozen broccoli can be steamed or microwaved in 3min, fry up some chicken on the stove or even a $1 5oz can of chicken will do. Add rice and you got a nutrient-rich, high-protein meal quick.

Enriched pastas aren't awful to have sometimes either as long as you know how to portion. And as Anarchy mentioned, beans and potatoes are regularly available and cheap.

I'm not saying you're wrong with the conclusion that people just don't want to or don't know how to cook and would rather get fast food... I'm just saying that I don't think it's an excuse. The foods are out there and exercise is free.

EDIT: I know there are those out there who are disgusted by canned chicken for some reason but, it is perfectly good food to eat. It comes with all of the nutrition and doesn't require cooking. If the sodium is a worry, pour the water out of the can. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/2/AAb-t6AAEiv2.png

RetsuZaiZen posted...

You're mad, we get it. Dating someone with the body of a child.

so small people aren't allowed to have a life or dating or marry despite being adults?
it's funny how people are soo against discrimination people for race and gender but then they go and discriminate people for their height,this bs is why fat acceptance movements started to get people like you to stop bullying people for their appearance

TonyKojima posted...

Yup the progressive far left has gone off the deep end. Thankfully the Democratic Party is mostly mainstream liberals but the far left is definitely dragging the party down with nonsense like white knighting for obesity. We are to pretend obesity is "beautiful" and anything other than complete adoration is "fat shaming".

Shut the fuck up Tony, you fake ass liberal.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

No matter how many times you're walking uphill both ways to work 5 jobs 12 hour shifts, blah blaHBLAHBNLALBHABH

Every time we have these conversations people act like everyone is experiencing all of the possible hinderances at once. It's fucking insane and I'm done indulging in it. I'm not living in the fantasy land of 1001 excuses

It's nice to interject your own personal view of how people should operate, but it doesn't line up very well with reality. And the reality is that people working shitty schedules will often cut corners to save time by eating shitty preprepared food.

Bro, boil me some brussel sprouts with mustard and old bay spice, and I'll be your friend for life

Sheiky-Baby posted...

Bro, boil me some brussel sprouts with mustard and old bay spice, and I'll be your friend for life

Best thing I heard all day.

Sheiky-Baby posted...

boil me some brussel sprouts

What the fuck

Roasted brussel sprouts or bust imo

Gwynevere posted...

What the fuck

Roasted brussel sprouts or bust imo

Pan fried with salt, pepper, garlic powder, onion powder and generous amount of red pepper flakes

Threads like this do a great job reminding me that being an unfuckable loser is something that's on the *inside*, can't be changed

Americans should share some of all that food with the rest of the world and actually become healthy for once.

I hadn't been to Europe in 6 years, and I just got back after spending a month there. It's simply astonishing how much healthier your average European is. Norway, I saw one person that looked "fat", and judging by their accent, they weren't even Norwegian.

While big portions and overeating/snacking is definitely a chunk of the blame, the US really also is failing us citizens. European food tends to just be better quality, because they ban crap like high fructose corn syrup and whatnot. Which will never happen in the US, due to the Big Agriculture/corn industry, but we have too much access to food filled with too many salts, preservatives, and chemicals.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

People eat like crap because they prefer it. They like the taste and lack the willpower/maturity to take care of themselves nutritionally.

The 49 cents/lb isn't the fucking barrier to people eating bananas.
The 99 cents/bunch for kale isn't the barrier.

This. Death to the "eating healthy is expensive" meme. A grisly death to it.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

This. Death to the "eating healthy is expensive" meme. A grisly death to it.

It's only expensive if you've been taken a ride on the great Organic scam.

Sheiky-Baby posted...

It's only expensive if you've been taken a ride on the great Organic scam.

For some things, but others I feel it's just a cost. I mean companies like the overly processed food because it's cheaper to make. Just going to a butcher Turkey vs Low Sodium Turkey; the low sodium is almost always more.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

People eat like crap because they prefer it. They like the taste and lack the willpower/maturity to take care of themselves nutritionally.

The 49 cents/lb isn't the fucking barrier to people eating bananas.
The 99 cents/bunch for kale isn't the barrier.

And even if you choose/only have the option of getting fast food it's not like none of these places have healthier options. Taco Bell for example isn't too bad for you outside of maybe the sodium, but that's not going to make you gain a bunch of weight.