Board 8 > Gamefaq Mafia Mafia Topic 2 Kirby or Death?

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wallmasterz posted...

I find Lea/Sbell to be an interesting potential scum pair. She unvoted sbell to drop her vote on me again which ok, I get it, vote me if you think Im scum, town votes for town sometimes in this game. But if you go back and look at Leas posts, d1 she complains about how she thinks Sbell got let off the hook by Ulti using his gladiator role, she includes him among scum in her list giving reads on literally everyone, and she talks about how tonally weird hes been etc. etc.

Lea asks me questions, reviews my game so far, thats all fine, but doesnt directly address sbell or question him about her concerns a single time. I dont have a problem with Lea questioning me, or even voting for me, but what did Sbell do to make her move her vote on one of her other strongest scum reads back to me? Hes done nothing today (irl) other than talk about how town ulti is and joke that he hasnt posted.

Lea, youre probably drunk already but feel free to answer any time. Ideally d2 but if its d3 thats ok too. Ill be around, even if I get lynched =)

I think the chances she is scum rise if SBell is scum (Well, and you're town on top of that). Her current vote was the vote leader and she could've done more to attempt pressure instead of switching so quickly.

In some fairness, this was before I spoke my impressions of SBell's play today, which means this wasn't something that happened in reaction to my comments.

Obellisk posted...

rude.

and no I'm not budding up to ulti. he just did something day 1 that proved he was town to me.

Rude, you say?

You, as the vote leader, had no vote down late in the day, limited content throughout the day, and were commenting about nothing happening. You're contributing to the very problem you speak of.

Obellisk posted... day is 100% stagnant.

I just had an amazing dinner.

picked up ff16.

I've got nothing really to go on.

Ulti is town.

corrik is questionable.

what happened to Abacus?

death I feel like scum was trying to frame and is therefor definitely town.

red hasn't really been that present but his start of game was absolutely townier than not.

there, opinions.

This is probably your best content of the day - A hellishly weak post that says very little. It's not what I'd expect from an engaged town SBell trying to solve.

I dont mind Lea as much for now because I dont know if scumher would bite into Sbell after everyone else dropped him

htaeD posted...

I dont mind Lea as much for now because I dont know if scumher would bite into Sbell after everyone else dropped him

If shes scum with scumbell then she had no reason to change her read from d1. She didnt really rally the troops, just kept him on her scum list.

Also its hard for me to gauge activity today when I know that I myself have been getting caught up in good old saterday laziness

Oh and I'm going to be here until deadline and then I'm probably getting shot so let's keep going.

..You know what, I'm not even going to bother doing Corrik. If I get shot tonight, I'll happily pass that buck.

Lets do... Peaf.

And in the meantime notice the guy I replaced didn't like SBell back on day 1. Interesting.

PeaceFrog posted... Still no red other than one snide remark iirc?

He's my top lynch today. At this point in time I'd also humor sbell, isquen, or Lea.

Biggest thing that sticks out about Peaf by a mile. This entire post feels underexplained. Lea is never mentioned in a single post by Peaf in topic 2 before this one and comes out of nowhere. There still doesn't feel like there has been any meaningful justification given for Lea's inclusion here. Peaf has a couple of times today poked at Isquen being scum, but has rarely actually made an attempt at pressure or explanation. In a later post, he uses one of Lea's posts to shade IGCD. I feel like there is an inconsistency in Peaf's overall play.

The vote on Red is lazy at best, and the backbone of that post is lazy while leaving lots of options open. Peaf's actual content posts don't stick out to me, but his lack of really going into depth on why he'd lynch does.

Not a big fan of Peaf.

People I don't want to lynch right now:

Isquen
Lea (If SBell is scum and Wall is town, Lea moves to neutral)
Ulti
Wall

People who are Corrik:

Corrik

People I am good with lynching right now:

SBell
Peaf

I've made better progress with limited information than I expected.

I'm confused why she's not immediately going for my throat, but it's a welcome change - or she knows something I don't.

My current leaning is still "is ulti insane enough to do this? Yes" with the Kirby/Death/Ulti turducken, since I'm confused by a living doctor claim.

My secondary leaning is people who, during one of Lopen's ramblings, were thrown into his scum leanings. This ticks the Wallz box, but he was also voting Death by end of day.

Oh two things just came to mind: My scumteam did a ton of soft bussing in Smash, and it worked. ST's scumteam did a lot of hard bussing, and it worked. Lea isn't afraid to bus at all by her nature, and was scum in one of those games. Peaf randomly including Lea on that list, making no attempt to ever justify it, and using her to shade someone else, actually looks worse on her if Peaf is scum.

Like, if I'm right about Peaf and SBell, I'd give decent odds Lea is the last one just based on the way the three have interacted.

Oh and before someone decides to meta the way I put it, the game has 13 players. There is, almost certainly, 4 scum.

Isquen posted...

My current leaning is still "is ulti insane enough to do this? Yes" with the Kirby/Death/Ulti turducken, since I'm confused by a living doctor claim.

If it were any day other than day 1 I'd be more inclined to believe this.

Oh wait I should [probably go read Death even though I'm inclined to believe the claim right now. Scum doesn't fear doctor nearly as much when there is no "obvious" target to kill. SBell especially has repeated posited scum tried to "frame" town Death. This is actually nonsense, for two obvious reasons.

Reason 1: If Death is town, my take is simply that they did not fear him and took their chances on the 10/11 shot he would save incorrectly.

Reason 2: What they may have feared, however, was a potential watcher, who would've been far more likely to target Death last night than any other player in the game.

I personally would not have targeted town Death in any way if I were scum last night (I wasn't even in the game, but still), and have declined to target doctor claims in this situation before. SBell immediately and consistently making a big deal of Death being left me alone strikes me as fluff posing as content.

Y'know what screw it

##Vote: SBell

Fake content everywhere. No attempt to gamesolve. Consistently undermining conversation with irrelevancies. Essentially no attempt at a rebuttal except for calling me "rude".

Also SBell's fluff is TMIing super hard on Death and Death is town. I don't even need to ISO him.

Oh and Mr. "I'm great with lynching SBell but I'm sitting by myself on Red for barely any reason" aka Peaf can be lynched next.

You're welcome.

Oh and Red likely isn't scum. I wouldn't clear him based on that, though.

To be fair I was the one who started calling it a framejob

htaeD posted...

To be fair I was the one who started calling it a framejob

And he's the one who's been propagating it, including in that post I quoted. It falls into my earlier criticism of SBell: He's consistently spent all day focusing on offtopic things that do not pursue scum. Furthermore, if you're town, no good scumteam shoots or blocks you last night. Maybe they ninja you, but that's it.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Peaf randomly including Lea on that list, making no attempt to ever justify it,

I'm just skimming from the last few hours but I did definitely justify my inclusion of Lea. If anything, Isquen is the scum read I've had that I haven't given any justification for.

Isquen is hard to justify anything for, good or bad.

UltimaterializerX posted...

SBell scum clicked with me the second you pointed out those two posts, but the main thing is he's being nice to me and trying to pocket. That's ScumBell 101. If he flips scum, and I think he will, it'll be funny that I let him off the hook day 1 just to murder his teammate.

I really do always fall for people being nice to me, and on a reread Peaf is pinging flags for the same reason.

My very first impression of SBell was "This looks like pocketing Ulti". The way you used your gladiator falls a bit out of even your normal scumrange for reasons I gave, but I don't feel like he ever gave good enough reasons to be townlocking you so hard.

PeaceFrog posted...

I'm just skimming from the last few hours but I did definitely justify my inclusion of Lea. If anything, Isquen is the scum read I've had that I haven't given any justification for.

Your one response was effectively summed up as "It's just a hunch", and then you immediately used a post Lea made to shade IGCD.

So no, you haven't given any actual reason for her inclusion.

Crescent-Moon posted...

My very first impression of SBell was "This looks like pocketing Ulti". The way you used your gladiator falls a bit out of even your normal scumrange for reasons I gave, but I don't feel like he ever gave good enough reasons to be townlocking you so hard.

And hell, I'm not even townlocking you. I know better!

I could be convinced to lynch sbell i suppose.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Your one response was effectively summed up as "It's just a hunch", and then you immediately used a post Lea made to shade IGCD.

So no, you haven't given any actual reason for her inclusion.

I don't remember igcd ever having anything to do with it, but ok. You're welcome to tell me what I think.

I've already claimed so all you'll get out of me is my lynch if that's what you're going for. I think you're town based on your predecessor's actions.

Leafeon13N posted...

I could be convinced to lynch sbell i suppose.

I am suddenly not as fond of an sbell lynch as i was previously. Funny

I'm not engaged, it's true. But it's really just cause I've been too busy for another mafia game, even a small one. and perhaps what's worse is yhe fact that literally no one is participating. day 2 is about to end and we have 2 topics.

I don't know if you know anything about my mafia abilities but no content games aren't going to create reads for me.

nothing has happened. day 1 started stupidly and ulti turned into a 1 v1. which town got a big win on and it's great. but other than an odd night kill nothing has happened.

being nice to ulti? dude came Into the game stopped me from being mislynched and gladiatored two players that ended in the death of scum. Scum Ulti doesn't do that. I'm not being nice, I'm being honest about a read and stopping anyone from throwing shade his way.

best you can get from me right now. if you just want to put me out of my misery and lynch me that's fine, were up a lynch and havent lost any power yet, id say things are looking good., I'll check for my ping ulti.

I don't have time to go find it right this instant but the post from red that was "one of Wallz or Peaf must be scum" read very scummy to me and i would really like more votes on him.

Ulti, i didn't go out of my way to be nice to you. You were down on yourself d1 when it looked like it was maybe town/ town and i felt bad. Then we voted for red at the same time. I had no clue that you were going to do that.

I don't think I've been particularly nice this game

Obellisk posted...

being nice to ulti? dude came Into the game stopped me from being mislynched and gladiatored two players that ended in the death of scum. Scum Ulti doesn't do that. I'm not being nice, I'm being honest about a read and stopping anyone from throwing shade his way.

I dont think you were really in all that much danger.

Leafeon13N posted...

I dont think you were really in all that much danger.

Final votals from before the gladiate (t1.265):
(6) Sbell: IGCD, Red, Lopen, Kirby, Lea, Corrik
(2) Lopen: (Isquen), (Wallz), Peaf, Isquen
(1) Peaf: (Isquen), Lopen
(0) Lea: (IGCD), (Red), (Lopen)
(0) Red: (Kirby), (Lopen)
(0) Wallz: (Isquen)

He was one vote away. Corrik tried to hammer but miscounted.

Obellisk posted...

I'm not engaged, it's true. But it's really just cause I've been too busy for another mafia game, even a small one. and perhaps what's worse is yhe fact that literally no one is participating. day 2 is about to end and we have 2 topics.

I don't know if you know anything about my mafia abilities but no content games aren't going to create reads for me.

nothing has happened. day 1 started stupidly and ulti turned into a 1 v1. which town got a big win on and it's great. but other than an odd night kill nothing has happened.

being nice to ulti? dude came Into the game stopped me from being mislynched and gladiatored two players that ended in the death of scum. Scum Ulti doesn't do that. I'm not being nice, I'm being honest about a read and stopping anyone from throwing shade his way.

best you can get from me right now. if you just want to put me out of my misery and lynch me that's fine, were up a lynch and havent lost any power yet, id say things are looking good., I'll check for my ping ulti.

Ok Sbell needs to concentrate on his new job, let's make that happen for him.

##Unvote
##Vote: Sbell

PeaceFrog posted...

Yeah I wanted to poke you and get a reaction. Thanks.
Sbell changed his tune by eod and said he wanted his vote on kirby but was afraid to hammer. So he did "come around to deciding what he thought of Kirby" in a sense.

When I was BD in YGO, I couldn't even redirect kills. So yeah I agree, red's analysis is weak and not worth much.

In fact...

This is post 253, where you directly use Lea's logic in quotes that won't show here to shade IGCD.

I wasn't shading igcd whatsoever. I agreed with him and then used lea's logic to shade red, who we were talking about. Do u even context fam

Leafeon13N posted...

I could be convinced to lynch sbell i suppose.

Who are you currently voting and why

Eh i went back and reread and i can see the confusion with how i worded it.

Sorry for being a dick. To clarify, i was talking about red.

Obellisk posted...

I'm not engaged, it's true. But it's really just cause I've been too busy for another mafia game, even a small one. and perhaps what's worse is yhe fact that literally no one is participating. day 2 is about to end and we have 2 topics.

I don't know if you know anything about my mafia abilities but no content games aren't going to create reads for me.

nothing has happened. day 1 started stupidly and ulti turned into a 1 v1. which town got a big win on and it's great. but other than an odd night kill nothing has happened.

being nice to ulti? dude came Into the game stopped me from being mislynched and gladiatored two players that ended in the death of scum. Scum Ulti doesn't do that. I'm not being nice, I'm being honest about a read and stopping anyone from throwing shade his way.

best you can get from me right now. if you just want to put me out of my misery and lynch me that's fine, were up a lynch and havent lost any power yet, id say things are looking good., I'll check for my ping ulti.

This post still fails to provide one crucial detail you've failed to provide all day.

Who should we lynch?

PeaceFrog posted...

Final votals from before the gladiate (t1.265):
(6) Sbell: IGCD, Red, Lopen, Kirby, Lea, Corrik
(2) Lopen: (Isquen), (Wallz), Peaf, Isquen
(1) Peaf: (Isquen), Lopen
(0) Lea: (IGCD), (Red), (Lopen)
(0) Red: (Kirby), (Lopen)
(0) Wallz: (Isquen)

He was one vote away. Corrik tried to hammer but miscounted.

Oh. Wow. Admittedly never really realized people went that crazy before the gladiate.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Who are you currently voting and why

No one because I'm stingy with my vote and really only plan to vote once today in all likelihood.

I posted that same list in the same post that i voted you in at the start of the day, didn't i? Odd that you didn't see it then.

You know I forgot if Sbell even claimed yet

With Sbell it is at least strange how he sounded odd at the start of the day... The post he made before he agreed with me on it being a framejob (post # 107), I want to know what he was thinking at that time.

Leafeon13N posted...

No one because I'm stingy with my vote and really only plan to vote once today in all likelihood.

Ok Sbell

Oh I had no idea SBell was that close to dying yesterday. I haven't paid much attention to early day 1. Ok here's a softball for him.

Pick out one person who was voting you who might be scum and why.

Kirby is dead and obviously cannot be selected as an answer.

PeaceFrog posted...

I posted that same list in the same post that i voted you in at the start of the day, didn't i? Odd that you didn't see it then.

Honestly peaf it gets a bit exhausting when the same person tunnels you relentlessly game to game. I definitely just kind of skim through your posts and yawn at this point.

Leafeon13N posted...

No one because I'm stingy with my vote and really only plan to vote once today in all likelihood.

Wait since when are you stingier than I am

##vote: wallz

Screw it this sounds fine.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Wait since when are you stingier than I am

I'm usually pretty stingy outside d1. But the thought was more a timing thing with work today.

Well replacing in with like 6 hours left in a day expecting to already be shot tonight like 2 hours into my stay probably played a factor for me to be aggressive.

I've had so many day 2s or day 3s like this and it generally ends up with me getting shot.